Auston Matthew 50 in 50 watch (37 in 42 so far)

[Rants Mulliniks]

Except it's not even close to objectively the same thing.

I think the word you are looking for is arbitrary.

 

[Golden_Jet]

It is though.

32x times the chances of doing it, not the same.

 

[Divine]

32x times the chances of doing it, not the same.

Yes, you're more likely to do it but it's still tough. Going from 1 in a million to 32 in a million still means it's incredibly tough. The last player to score 50 in any 50 game stretch was Lemieux before Matthews did it.

Also, 50 in 50 is harder today that it ever was.

First 50 games is much easier when players score 90+, 70+ as rookies, etc. Era-adjusted 50+ goals in 50 games is harder today than the original 50 goals in the team's first 50 games.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

32x times the chances of doing it, not the same.

It is literally doing the same thing.

One is going back in time to find a section of 50 in 50 and the other is saying I'm going to hit a homerun on the next pitch. Not even close.

Sure.

 

[Golden_Jet]

It is literally doing the same thing

Sure , if you failed Math, one might think that.

 

[SA16]

It is not 32x the chance since the time frames overlap. If you don't come close to it in the first 50 games you will be have a near zero percent chance to do it in any 50 game stretch. If you come close in the first 50 games you will have a good chance to do it in some other 50 game stretch.

It's also definitely easier to do it in the first 50 games than any other specific samples because PPs generally go down as the season goes along.

 

[Golden_Jet]

It is not 32x the chance since the time frames overlap. If you don't come close to it in the first 50 games you will be have a near zero percent chance to do it in any 50 game stretch. If you come close in the first 50 games you will have a good chance to do it in some other 50 game stretch.

You get one chance a year vs 32 chances a year, it’s not hard to figure out.

 

[Divine]

You get one chance a year vs 32 chances a year, it’s not hard to figure out.

They need to era adjust it.

60 in 82 is the new 50 in 50 with scoring down. At one point, the top players were scoring 50 in 50 nearly every season.

Hockey traditionists ignore that rookies were scoring 70+ goals back then though.

I don't think anyone would argue 50 in 50 at any point in today's game is harder than 50 in the team's first 50 when Gretzky was scoring 90+.

 

[lipstickjunkie]

Matthews scoring 51 goals in games #18-67 is just as impressive as it would be if it was #1-50. You only get one chance a year to score 50+ goals in games #18-67 and he did it.

 

[Video Nasty]

They need to era adjust it.

60 in 82 is the new 50 in 50 with scoring down. At one point, the top players were scoring 50 in 50 nearly every season.

Hockey traditionists ignore that rookies were scoring 70+ goals back then though.

I don't think anyone would argue 50 in 50 at any point in today's game is harder than 50 in the team's first 50 when Gretzky was scoring 90+.

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Yes, you're more likely to do it but it's still tough. Going from 1 in a million to 32 in a million still means it's incredibly tough. The last player to score 50 in any 50 game stretch was Lemieux before Matthews did it.

Also, 50 in 50 is harder today that it ever was.

First 50 games is much easier when players score 90+, 70+ as rookies, etc. Era-adjusted 50+ goals in 50 games is harder today than the original 50 goals in the team's first 50 games.

Why are you exaggerating so much?

One rookie in history scored 70+ goals. The next highest all-time is 53 and only four rookies have scored more than 46 goals in their rookie campaign (excluding Gretzky’s rookie season not labeled as a rookie season).

Likewise, only one player has scored 90+ goals and that player is the extreme outlier to everything (no one is talking about the borderline impossible benchmark of this club which is scoring 50 in just 39 games).

You distract from your overall point with these over-exaggerations about how many players were gunning for 50 in 50.

And you also ignore that two of the greatest players ever make up about half of the official and unofficial marks.

 

[Divine]

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Why are you exaggerating so much?

One rookie in history scored 70+ goals. The next highest all-time is 53 and only four rookies have scored more than 46 goals in their rookie campaign (excluding Gretzky’s rookie season not labeled as a rookie season).

Likewise, only one player has scored 90+ goals and that player is the extreme outlier to everything (no one is talking about the borderline impossible benchmark of this club which is scoring 50 in just 39 games).

You distract from your overall point with these over-exaggerations about how many players were gunning for 50 in 50.

It's not exaggeration when it happened.

A rookie scored 70+ goals.
A player scored 90+ goals.
Multiple players scored 80+ goals.
A player scored 70+ goals nearly every season.

Are any of those happening in today's NHL?

Only counting 50 in the team's first 50 games (while Matthews was injured) while ignoring that it is much more difficult in today's game seems to be due to bias against a player.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Matthews scoring 51 goals in games #18-67 is just as impressive as it would be if it was #1-50. You only get one chance a year to score 50+ goals in games #18-67 and he did it.

Your probably using games he actually played in,

His streak was from game 21-72 of the leafs schedule. (Got 2 in game 72)
Games 21-72 is a 52 game period for the leafs. He missed 2 games during streak, due to suspension.

So it wasn’t over 50 leafs games it was over 52 leaf games, but it was 51 in 50 of games he dressed for.

 

[Divine]

Your probably using games he actually played in,

His streak was from game 21-72 of the leafs schedule. (Got 2 in game 72)
Games 21-72 is a 52 game period for the leafs. He missed 2 games during streak, due to suspension.

So it wasn’t over 50 leafs games it was over 52 leaf games, but it was 50 in 50 of games he dressed for.

*51 goals in 50 games in consecutive games he played in. Let's at least be accurate.

And since you want to specify that it can be 'any 50 game period' - then Matthews did it twice that season (18 to 67) & (19-68).

He's going for his third 50 in 50 games played according to you - which is pretty impressive.

 

[authentic]

What a one hit, unproven wonder Mario Lemieux was.

Damnit you missed the point of the post!

 

[34]

32x times the chances of doing it, not the same.

28 in 30 so far

 

[Coffey]

I'm happy that he's healthier than last year.
League is better when he's scoring.

 

[34]

Matthews scoring 51 goals in games #18-67 is just as impressive as it would be if it was #1-50. You only get one chance a year to score 50+ goals in games #18-67 and he did it.

Matthews Already been there and done it.

 

[MadLuke]

Do people really not understand why it is easier to do something during your best stretch of the year, versus arbitrarily starting at game 0 ?

No that makes sense. It’s not trivially harder, that’s why it hasn’t been done since ‘96. Good logic man.

Do you not understand why it would be harder and rarer to do something during your team first 50 games than during a player first 50 games ? That seems almost impossible.

 

[Divine]

Do people really not understand why it is easier to do something during your best stretch of the year, versus arbitrarily starting at game 0 ?


Do you not understand why it would be harder and rarer to do something during your team first 50 games than during a player first 50 games ? That seems almost impossible.

Yes, we understand.

Do you understand why it's harder to score 50 goals in a lower scoring league than when players were scoring 70+ goals nearly every season?

50 in 50 (any stretch) is more impressive today than 50 in the team's first 50 games in the 80's.

Do you agree?

 

[authentic]

Yes, you're more likely to do it but it's still tough. Going from 1 in a million to 32 in a million still means it's incredibly tough. The last player to score 50 in any 50 game stretch was Lemieux before Matthews did it.

Also, 50 in 50 is harder today that it ever was.

First 50 games is much easier when players score 90+, 70+ as rookies, etc. Era-adjusted 50+ goals in 50 games is harder today than the original 50 goals in the team's first 50 games.

This was beaten to death last year and the same posters mostly still don’t seem to get it. In 30 years, so basically since before goalies started to play the butterfly throughout the entire NHL Mario Lemieux and Matthews are the only ones to do it, and even the circumstances Lemieux achieved it in were much more favourable. Every single NHL player gets 33 chances to do it each year and seemingly only one is capable.

 

[Golden_Jet]

*51 goals in 50 games in consecutive games he played in. Let's at least be accurate.

And since you want to specify that it can be 'any 50 game period' - then Matthews did it twice that season (18 to 67) & (17-66).

He's going for his third 50 in 50 games played according to you - which is pretty impressive.

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I never said, “I want to specify it can be any 50 game period “,
I listed the range he did it in, a 52 game leaf schedule, games 21-72.


I said, he never did it in any 50 game stretch the leafs played, he did it in 50 games he played, because he was suspended during the streak.

 

[Divine]

Fixed
I never said, “I want to specify it can be any 50 game period “,
I listed the range he did it in, a 52 game leaf schedule, games 21-72.


I said, he never did it in any 50 game stretch the leafs played, he did it in 50 games he played, because he was suspended during the streak.

Thank you for specifying that Matthews only scores goals in games he plays in. I don't think many people will be surprised that Matthews did not score in games he did not play.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Sure , if you failed Math, one might think that.

You literally think a goal that had an assist is worth more than an unassisted goal because it resulted in 2 points instead of 1 lmao

 

[Golden_Jet]

28 in 30 so far

Great start,
31 leafs games though, if trying for 50 in first 50 leaf games.

 

[Video Nasty]

It's not exaggeration when it happened.

A rookie scored 70+ goals.
A player scored 90+ goals.
Multiple players scored 80+ goals.

Are any of those happening in today's NHL?

Your words. “Players and rookies” meaning multiple in each category and pretending everyone was doing it in an attempt to prop up something that doesn’t need it, i.e. a phenomenal run by Matthews.