Toggle sidebar

Athletic: Dubas Job on the Line this Season (contract expiring after this season)

  • Xenforo Cloud will be upgrading us to version 2.3.5 on March 3rd at 12 AM GMT. This version has increased stability and fixes several bugs. We expect downtime for the duration of the update. The admin team will continue to work on existing issues, templates and upgrade all necessary available addons to minimize impact of this new version. Click Here for Updates
Status
Not open for further replies.
The Masters said:
Click to expand...


It's a pretty controversial move, if you ask me. Kyle has done a decent job albeit he's inherited majority of the core. The only addition to the core that you can attribute directly to Kyle is John Tavares but in hindsight there is a 50/50 split on whether its been a good move or not.

He hasn't made a controversial move yet but has decided to stick with the core. As much as I want to contest that, I think its the right move at the end of the day. That said, he's definitely on notice by management based on not being offered an extension.
 
Leafs since 18-19

#3 Regulation Wins
#5 Points Percentage
#32 Shootout Wins
#11 Playoffs Wins
 
  • Like
Reactions: Menzinger
Felix the Cat Potvin said:
We bring in an analytics-orientated GM, who is supposed to revolutionize the game with data-based decision-making.

5 years later we're relying on "luck" and "goalies being voodoo," according to his supporters.

It'd be comical if it weren't so tragic.
Click to expand...

If anything, I find there’s a lesson to be learned here from a public messaging point of view. For anyone, terms like analytics and data, to probability ought not to slip into the verbiage of luck and betting and odds.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Felix the Cat Potvin
Felix the Cat Potvin said:
We bring in an analytics-orientated GM, who is supposed to revolutionize the game with data-based decision-making.

5 years later we're relying on "luck" and "goalies being voodoo," according to his supporters.

It'd be comical if it weren't so tragic.
Click to expand...
Funny how logic works though.

If they're right, then it follows that some are more lucky than others, therefore there exists GMs more lucky than Dubas since we experience bad luck and should use one of them to increase our luck.

All paths lead to an end of an era.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Felix the Cat Potvin
zeke said:
Leafs since 18-19

#3 Regulation Wins
#5 Points Percentage
#32 Shootout Wins
#11 Playoffs Wins
Click to expand...

If Shanahan is reserving judgement, I think that’s the most prudent place to be in terms of seeing how 2022-23 unfolds (and beyond) as far as confidence in Dubas’ recipe.
 
Stephen said:
If Shanahan is reserving judgement, I think that’s the most prudent place to be in terms of seeing how 2022-23 unfolds (and beyond) as far as confidence in Dubas’ recipe.
Click to expand...

I wouldn't have extended Dubas now either, tbh.

He's great, but not perfect, and GM talent isn't rare like player talent is. A GM does have to win eventually.

I'm (fairly) confident this organization won't be hiring dinosaurs anymore.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Felix the Cat Potvin, Beneven Stanciano and DraftSchmaft
zeke said:
Leafs since 18-19

#3 Regulation Wins
#5 Points Percentage
#32 Shootout Wins
#11 Playoffs Wins
Click to expand...
You would expect these with our core regardless of the GM though no? This seems like our floor.

Shanahan must be viewing Dubas from a stagnation point of view now. I like what @Havoc is saying about the graph always trending upwards but now in need of a larger increase year to year.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Azrael89
DraftSchmaft said:
If they're right, then it follows that some are more lucky than others, therefore there exists GMs more lucky than Dubas since we experience bad luck and should use one of them to increase our luck.
Click to expand...
Just because luck exists, it doesn't mean it's tied to any individual.
 
zeke said:
I wouldn't have extended Dubas now either, tbh.

He's great, but not perfect, and GM talent isn't rare like player talent is. A GM does have to win eventually.

I'm (fairly) confident this organization won't be hiring dinosaurs anymore.
Click to expand...

Maybe not a super endorsement for Dubas, but I would tend to hold off on the GM regime change until we stick handle around the Matthews negotiations and he’s locked in, and there’s a meaningful cap increase. I just don’t see how the next GM wouldn’t be nibbling around the fringes of the roster either, and a wholesale mandated roster shakeup could be damaging in ways we don’t want.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Morbo
The Masters said:
Click to expand...

Lameduck situations for both the president and the GM are not ideal. But no reason for either one of them to give it much lip service. I'd assume that the situation is:

1) Have another winning regular season yet still fail to win in the 1st round then both Shanahan and Dubas are gone.
2) Have any semblance of extended struggles in the regular season be it from goaltending issues, languishing at or below playoff qualification level, perceived team instability, etc. Possible mid-season changes.
3) Win a round, 1 year extension reprieve offer.
4) Win multiple rounds, get a proper extension.
5) Win the Stanley Cup, get crowned King of Toronto.
 
I don't really get the lame duck comments. Dubas has been signing contracts and making trades. Lame duck GMs usually do nothing because it all needs to go through approval. We will get a better feel for his freedom come TD time. I doubt they put any cuffs on him.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Havoc and kb
Dekes For Days said:
Just because luck exists, it doesn't mean it's tied to any individual.
Click to expand...

There is an area of science that explores what character traits derive better luck so you are incorrect.

It's safe to assume that if someone values the idea of luck in hockey highly, they will value the traits that research suggests obtains more luck and look for these in their GM / players / style of play (generalities altered to make sense within a hockey context of course).
 
  • Like
Reactions: Felix the Cat Potvin
MuadDib said:
I don't really get the lame duck comments. Dubas has been signing contracts and making trades. Lame duck GMs usually do nothing because it all needs to go through approval. We will get a better feel for his freedom come TD time. I doubt they put any cuffs on him.
Click to expand...
The worry with the "Lame Duck" is that their only concern is about the present to get results and hopefully an extension.
 
  • Like
Reactions: CDN24
ACC1224 said:
The worry with the "Lame Duck" is that their only concern is about the present to get results and hopefully an extension.
Click to expand...

That’s not actually too bad though. Cause the Leafs core is young so if they mortgaged the future to accelerate the here and now it’s exactly what we need. We basically want Dubas to keep his job and do some major damage in the playoffs and if it costs some of our prospect capital that’s fine. It’s not like the JFJ and Quinn eras where there was no core to move ahead with.
 
  • Like
Reactions: CDN24, ACC1224 and Hoglund4MvP
MuadDib said:
I don't really get the lame duck comments. Dubas has been signing contracts and making trades. Lame duck GMs usually do nothing because it all needs to go through approval. We will get a better feel for his freedom come TD time. I doubt they put any cuffs on him.
Click to expand...
Exactly this. Lame duck GM's have their powers stripped and are essentially figureheads with no authority. It really has zero to do with contract status.

But that thought gives a huge boner to a lot on this board though.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Tufted Titmouse
Status
Not open for further replies.

Latest posts

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad

Top Bottom