Athletic: Dubas Job on the Line this Season (contract expiring after this season)

[Amadeus]

Here's my prediction: I don't think Kyle Dubas himself will want to stay one way or the other. Regardless, even if he go far or not, I think he's personally offended by how his contract situation has played out.

I predict he'll walk similar to how Alex Anthopoulos did.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

The worry with the "Lame Duck" is that their only concern is about the present to get results and hopefully an extension.

That's not lame duck, though. That's desperation, and we haven't seen that from Dubas either. Lame ducks are when you have a figurehead that is lame, can't actually do anything or make decisions.

In fact, bringing in Murray is the opposite of a lame duck move.

Here's my prediction: I don't think Kyle Dubas himself will want to stay one way or the other. Regardless, even if he go far or not, I think he's personally offended by how his contract situation has played out.

I predict he'll walk similar to how Alex Anthopoulos did.

What are you basing that on?

 

[Amadeus]

That's not lame duck, though. That's desperation, and we haven't seen that from Dubas either. Lame ducks are when you have a figurehead that is lame, can't actually do anything or make decisions.

In fact, bringing in Murray is the opposite of a lame duck move.



What are you basing that on?

I don't think anyone wants to be a lame duck. He's done a great job deflecting that but it's human how one feels about that.

 

[ACC1224]

That's not lame duck, though. That's desperation, and we haven't seen that from Dubas either. Lame ducks are when you have a figurehead that is lame, can't actually do anything or make decisions.

In fact, bringing in Murray is the opposite of a lame duck move.



What are you basing that on?

I was detailing a 'lame duck' in general, not specifically Dubas.

 

[Dekes For Days]

There is an area of science that explores what character traits derive better luck so you are incorrect.

I can't believe this needs to be said, but the luck that an NHL team experiences is not a result of their GM's personality traits.

 

[justashadowof]

GMs who prioritize keeping their positions over the long term health of the organization that employs them always make painful shortsighted moves. I'm actually not particularly concerned about Dubas doing this because his hill to die on remains keeping his core hell or high water. Making a shortsighted trade with one of the core is probably off the table I'd assume. He may trade the likes of the team's next 2 1st's, Knies and Robertson (maybe count in Minten - looks good early) but it's unlikely these are Hall of Famers in the making.

 

[DraftSchmaft]

I can't believe this needs to be said, but the luck that an NHL team experiences is not a result of their GM's personality traits.

I can't believe this needs to be said, but you're replying to a post that was a reply to something said tongue in cheek with a little logic play added to it.

But if you want to take it serious, yes, if luck was taken as a factor by someone, which it was in a ridiculing way to begin, then yes you would consider what character traits make a person more lucky so you can maximize your luck.

It's luck 101 and if you disagree you can go research and come back (not that you should because it's not meant to be a serious topic)

 

[justashadowof]

That's not lame duck, though. That's desperation, and we haven't seen that from Dubas either. Lame ducks are when you have a figurehead that is lame, can't actually do anything or make decisions.

In fact, bringing in Murray is the opposite of a lame duck move.

This game of arguing semantics of the meaning of "lameduck" rather than addressing the content of the statement in which it was used is a lame deflection. It's inarguable that anyone with an expiring contract has certain restraints and pressures on their immediate performance regardless of what someone chooses to call it. Our Best-Before-May-2023 GM needs results this season, in the playoffs, he has openly accepted this concept himself.

 

[Havoc]

We got luck and lameduck philosophy going on right now lol. That's me cue for a lunch break.

 

[ShaneFalco]

it's actually 10th most during that time not 11th. my bad.

Who needs to win rounds!

 

[DraftSchmaft]

We got luck and lameduck philosophy going on right now lol. That's me cue for a lunch break.

I'm sorry But I mean we have professors out here with phDs devoting their life to luck 101 basics but dekes thinks he's the expert as usual. I always tell myself not to get dragged in and I always fail.

 

[justashadowof]

Here's my prediction: I don't think Kyle Dubas himself will want to stay one way or the other. Regardless, even if he go far or not, I think he's personally offended by how his contract situation has played out.

I predict he'll walk similar to how Alex Anthopoulos did.

If I remember correctly, AA walked because there was a new president coming in who was going to bring along his own GM (our current Jays' GM). It could happen like this but step 1 for it is firing Shanahan then hiring a new president to replace him before the end of the 2022-23 season.

Also if I also remember correctly, the new president was quite cooperative with AA in terms of funds to finance AA's short term moves to make the most of the contending team he had at the time.

 

[Dekes For Days]

But if you want to take it serious, yes, if luck was taken as a factor by someone, which it was in a ridiculing way to begin, then yes you would consider what character traits make a person more lucky so you can maximize your luck.

The unproven theory you're referring to is about the impact of character traits on success, not luck, but even in this theoretical universe where everybody has a different luck level derived from their character traits, that luck would be personal anyway and wouldn't magically transfer to any entity associated with them. The luck that an NHL franchise experiences in their hockey endeavors is not reliant on the GM of that team's personality traits.

 

[DraftSchmaft]

The unproven theory you're referring to is about the impact of character traits on success, not luck, but even in this theoretical universe where everybody has a different luck level derived from their character traits, that luck would be personal anyway and wouldn't magically transfer to any entity associated with them. The luck that an NHL franchise experiences in their hockey endeavors is not reliant on the GM of that team's personality traits.

You need to first realize that the unmentioned point of the posts was to ridicule the thought that someone would seriously sit there and use luck as a significant factor for evaluation.

But okay, if you truly want to bring to life this ridiculous fake world where someone is using luck as one of their main factors, you need to understand that the only education they would have to fuel their criteria are the research written by the professors and whoever else is documenting the theories.


I mean it's standard stuff man, let it go.

 

[AvroArrow]

Here's my prediction: I don't think Kyle Dubas himself will want to stay one way or the other. Regardless, even if he go far or not, I think he's personally offended by how his contract situation has played out.

I predict he'll walk similar to how Alex Anthopoulos did.

"Walk" No he'll get kicked the f*** out of Ontario if it's another failure of a season. If anyone should be offended it should be the city of Toronto, not Dubas. If that truly is his mentality, I would prefer to just fire him right now before the season started.

But of course that's just purely speculation based on absolutely nothing.

 

[Stephen]

I can't believe this needs to be said, but the luck that an NHL team experiences is not a result of their GM's personality traits.

A GM ought not to be using the term like “luck” in any win loss situation even if they feel like some randomness crept into the whole thing privately.

Professionally, it implies things have been left to chance which goes counter to a manager who wants to project control and process. If you lose it sounds like an excuse and you couldn’t figure it out. If you win, well you got lucky. These things matter when you’re in a position of leadership.

 

[AvroArrow]

Imagine if Dubas left, and we hired a younger person, like late-teens kind of age. And then Dubas took him to the races in a trade. We'd be begging to go back to an old dinosaur. I hope that doesn't happen.

With all due respect, why the f*** would we hire a teenager to be GM of the Leafs ?

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

You need to first realize that the unmentioned point of the posts was to ridicule the thought that someone would seriously sit there and use luck as a significant factor for evaluation.

But okay, if you truly want to bring to life this ridiculous fake world where someone is using luck as one of their main factors, you need to understand that the only education they would have to fuel their criteria are the research written by the professors and whoever else is documenting the theories.


I mean it's standard stuff man, let it go.

He can't let it go because they said we're just unlucky, so in this fake world where someone is weighing luck high, Dubas would not get the job because he associate with bad luck.

 

[Dekes For Days]

You need to first realize that the unmentioned point of the posts was to ridicule the thought that someone would seriously sit there and use luck as a significant factor for evaluation.

There's nothing wrong with somebody acknowledging the basic fact that luck and probability exists and is a factor in hockey outcomes. But just because luck and probability exists, it doesn't mean that individuals are inherently lucky or unlucky. There's no evidence of that. And even if people were inherently lucky or unlucky, that doesn't mean that their (and apparently only their?) luck would be transferred over to the company they work for and that company would have that same level of luck.

 

[Stephen]

There's nothing wrong with somebody acknowledging the basic fact that luck and probability exists and is a factor in hockey outcomes. But just because luck and probability exists, it doesn't mean that individuals are inherently lucky or unlucky. There's no evidence of that. And even if people were inherently lucky or unlucky, that doesn't mean that their (and apparently only their?) luck would be transferred over to the company they work for and that company would have that same level of luck.

If your boss asked you why you didn’t get certain things done and your response was “Bad luck I guess. Or probability” you might be able to see how that might not sound as professional as you thought.

 

[Dekes For Days]

If your boss asked you why you didn’t get certain things done and your response was “Bad luck I guess. Or probability” you might be able to see how that might not sound as professional as you thought.

We're not talking about Dubas talking to his boss. We're not even really talking about the reasons for things that happened. We're talking about the basic realities of luck and probability.

 

[LeafSteel]

There's nothing wrong with somebody acknowledging the basic fact that luck and probability exists and is a factor in hockey outcomes. But just because luck and probability exists, it doesn't mean that individuals are inherently lucky or unlucky. There's no evidence of that. And even if people were inherently lucky or unlucky, that doesn't mean that their (and apparently only their?) luck would be transferred over to the company they work for and that company would have that same level of luck.

Is this a post relating in any way to hockey or did I just walk into “Crockpot Philosophy 101” here?

 

[andora]

You need to first realize that the unmentioned point of the posts was to ridicule the thought that someone would seriously sit there and use luck as a significant factor for evaluation.

But okay, if you truly want to bring to life this ridiculous fake world where someone is using luck as one of their main factors, you need to understand that the only education they would have to fuel their criteria are the research written by the professors and whoever else is documenting the theories.


I mean it's standard stuff man, let it go.

Holy christ.. way to go

 

[DuklaNation]

Listened to Mackinnon's interview the other day and him realizing the importance of the entire lineup in order to win in the playoffs. I don't see that on this team.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Is this a post relating in any way to hockey or did I just walk into “Crockpot Philosophy 101” here?

Well, somebody suggested some wild theory that to believe in luck and probability, one would have to want Dubas fired because according to them, luck is tied to people and Dubas is inherently unlucky because of his personality traits, and the luck of NHL teams are reliant on the personal luck of their GM for some reason... So some things had to be set straight...