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Player Discussion Artem Zub (D) Part 2 [Extended 4 years @ $4.6M]
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DJB
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Conor Brown told us in an interview last season that Zaitsev is one of the heart and soul players on the team. When he’s on a roll I can see why.
Maybe he’s lying, but then again, we know that chemistry, intangibles, friendships and generally being human beings, isn’t exactly part of the equation for many hockey fans. Unfortunately these things tend to be one of the deciding factor for great teams.
Advanced stats are such crap in this sport compared to watching the game. There, I said it. This place now has people demanding that posters take notes, read up, do research, etc…. Screw that noise, I’m a dipshit that doesn’t make spreadsheets for work, and not definitely for fun, is there still room for a fan like me still? Haha
Watch games, make comments. Hopefully there are still fans like me out there!
Zaitsev isnt going anywhere. Ive said that for over the past year or so as the suggestion by fans has been to get rid of him.
He is loved and adored by the coaches and management here. I dont see him being moved soon.
As far as Zub, my understanding is that there have been talks between Zub's camp and Dorion on both a short and long term deal. I think a shorter deal is the more likely scenario here as far as I know atm
bert
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Zaitsev is adored by the coaching staff.... I guess but we don't know if management does. Would be very strange that collectively they like Zaitsev but are apprehensive to extend Zub long term when they literally watch every game. I don't know how anyone can watch Zaitsev consistently and this team get caved in and like him. I'd buy the argument that he is Un tradeable before the idea that management likes him.
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idk if they are actually apprehensive to extend Zub long term, it could just be Zub wasn't extending beyond UFA to maximize his potential earnings, and Dorion gave us the "give us flexibility" song and dance to put a positive spin on it.
Coach loves Zaitsev, but he still plays Zub over him. I think they all know who the better player is.
DJB
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I dont think it has anything to do with management wanting a short term deal. I think its the Zub camp.
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Has the most games played on the roster and only player to be a + player on the roster (Bath too but only 36 games)
+/- is flawed but I think it means something when you are playing tough minutes on a bad team and the only one who is +.
+/- is flawed but I think it means something when you are playing tough minutes on a bad team and the only one who is +.
SpezDispenser
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I certainly hope we aren't even in the neighbourhood of $6M for him on a decent length contract. I would think maybe $5M?
6M is a tie for 40th highest AAV for defenceman. I don't think Zub is in that neighborhood. I think he'll sign for less
SpezDispenser
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Goodness, 5 million would be such a bargain. I'd love that. Hope you're right.
ReginKarlssonLehner
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Which is good for us. Think we can get him for under 5 if we play negotiations right. He definitely regressed from his stellar start, but that can be attributed to being paired with terrible defensive guys or bottom pair calibre.
Lest we forget that during that amazing January/Feb run against elite teams, Zub-Holden were brilliant shutdown duo.
Think we can get Zub signed 4.5/4.75- 5/6 years.
He's not shown enough to be worth 6 imo.. at all.
I think the defense is coming down to earth. Zub is probably going to fall into the 4 role once we are a playoff team.
Holden is also looking like a bottom pairing guy which was expected as he was that on a playoff team
Zub should come in the 4-5 range capwise
Holden is also looking like a bottom pairing guy which was expected as he was that on a playoff team
Zub should come in the 4-5 range capwise
Micklebot
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When DeMelo was coming up for UFA some people thought he'd ask for 5, mind you that was before the pandemic, so certainly the landscape changed a bit.
Zub is going to get a good deal, but 6 seems a bit steep imo.
SpezDispenser
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No chance he only gets 4.5 imo. Solid player, 2nd pairing righty, some untapped offensive potential. Imagine him as a UFA.
bert
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He is a top 3 d man and an elite shut down player. Lindholm just signed for 6.5. He is going to want 6 and he is worth it. Cheaping out on legit top 3 d men is not a good allocation of money. Especially when you consider how much icetime he gets. He plays too much in all situations and whoever plays with him gets better. The bottom line is teams with bad or even below average D cores don't win. RD is the Sens biggest weakness by far. Secondly he is the only shut down D man in the entire organization he has to be retained at all costs. His durability while eating the hardest minutes is also something not to be understated. Getting him under 5 million is not happening. Anyone with that expectation is going to be disappointed.
Lastly if you're willing to walk away from a player this important over 1 million or 500 k when the sens have so much other wasted money then you're in trouble. This team has to start retaining the good players. It's almost like they haven't had two good pairs for so long sens fans forget how important it is yet the only time this organization has been competitive is when they have two good pairs. Scoring wingers are the easiest asset to aquire. Don't waste money and assets on that when you just need d men to get them the puck.
Lastly if you're willing to walk away from a player this important over 1 million or 500 k when the sens have so much other wasted money then you're in trouble. This team has to start retaining the good players. It's almost like they haven't had two good pairs for so long sens fans forget how important it is yet the only time this organization has been competitive is when they have two good pairs. Scoring wingers are the easiest asset to aquire. Don't waste money and assets on that when you just need d men to get them the puck.
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Zub an "elite shut down player"? No he isn't . He's a good, slightly above average NHL Dman. And if you want to pay him $6 million per year as a future top 3 Dman at best than that's too much. $4.5 to $5 million should be the max.
SpezDispenser
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So you're willing to let him go because you won't go to 5.75 - which is the lowest I think we can get him? And why, because he's so unbelievably underrated that people think we can sustain his minute eating, mistake free hockey on the right side?
I'd let Brown go to pay him if need be - and I'm a Brown fan.
bert
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He aint far off Lindholm man.
Zub is a plus player on a team with a negative goal differential of -43. Meanwhile taking all the hardest matchups while getting saddled with every LD on the team who immediately looks better the moment they play with him. He makes so many quietly amazing plays. Its very apparent alot of people just dont see it, or just dont get it. More to hockey than fancy stick handling and skating fast.
There are posters in here that will trade this teams first and give Fiala 8 million a year but would let Zub walk for nothing if he wants 5.75/6 million. Its crazy.
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