Player Discussion Artem Zub (D) Part 2 [Extended 4 years @ $4.6M]

[bert]

So you're willing to let him go because you won't go to 5.75 - which is the lowest I think we can get him? And why, because he's so unbelievably underrated that people think we can sustain his minute eating, mistake free hockey on the right side?

I'd let Brown go to pay him if need be - and I'm a Brown fan.

Or how about they find a way to get rid of Zaitsev, Del Zotto, Murray, Hamonic, White (who isnt even that overpaid) instead of losing out on actual good players. This team is actually below the cap floor in real salary and people are worried about Zub making over 5 million. Its crazy. He plays 22 minutes a game haha.

 

[GCK]

Or how about they find a way to get rid of Zaitsev, Del Zotto, Murray, Hamonic, White (who isnt even that overpaid) instead of losing out on actual good players. This team is actually below the cap floor in real salary and people are worried about Zub making over 5 million. Its crazy. He plays 22 minutes a game haha.

I stand by my statement that Zaitsev is gone this summer, assuming he accepts a trade to Arizona.

 

[Micklebot]

I stand by my statement that Zaitsev is gone this summer, assuming he accepts a trade to Arizona.

I really hope so...

 

[bert]

I stand by my statement that Zaitsev is gone this summer, assuming he accepts a trade to Arizona.

Hope so.... Even if they dont there is no good reason not to retain Zub.

 

[GCK]

Hope so.... Even if they dont there is no good reason not to retain Zub.

Zub should be a priority. I’m not opposed to 6M but I think he comes in at 4.5-5. He does not have the track record Lindholm has which matters. He’s not turning down 30M over 6 years a year out from FA IMO. The guarantee against injury would likely be too much to turn down.

 

[bert]

Zub should be a priority. I’m not opposed to 6M but I think he comes in at 4.5-5. He does not have the track record Lindholm has which matters. He’s not turning down 30M over 6 years a year out from FA IMO. The guarantee against injury would likely be too much to turn down.

I would be thrilled if they could lock him up for 6 years 30 million.

 

[SpezDispenser]

Or how about they find a way to get rid of Zaitsev, Del Zotto, Murray, Hamonic, White (who isnt even that overpaid) instead of losing out on actual good players. This team is actually below the cap floor in real salary and people are worried about Zub making over 5 million. Its crazy. He plays 22 minutes a game haha.

That was just my way of saying I'd do basically everything possible to keep him in the mix.

Zaitsev and Murray have 2 years left. Zaitsev you could possibly eat 50% of and not have to pay an asset, Murray, you're screwed I think. Just ride it out. At least when Murray's healthy he can be really effective, but Zaitsev's time is up IMO.

Del Zotto is actually decent, I'd keep him around as a 7th D. 2 million for 1 more year or whatever is nothing, it's worth having for the insurance alone.

Hamonic I disagree with wanting to get rid of. He and Holden are the perfect 3rd pairing.

 

[SpezDispenser]

I would be thrilled if they could lock him up for 6 years 30 million.

Bang, easiest deal of the day for Dorion. Sign here, here and here.

 

[SpezDispenser]

I stand by my statement that Zaitsev is gone this summer, assuming he accepts a trade to Arizona.

And what are we paying for this to happen?

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

He is a top 3 d man and an elite shut down player. Lindholm just signed for 6.5. He is going to want 6 and he is worth it.

Gotta stop you right there. Lindholm is Zub's best case, imo. Lindholm a legit top pairing defender who's only 28. Lindholm has had stretches of number 1 defender play.

Zub is looking like a legit top 4 defender on a contender, which is a significant thing, and top 2 on our team, but yet to see notable enough consistent top 3 play(that would equate on a contender).

He's gonna get 4.5-5 over long term. I think 6 years 30 mil is best case for both and could prove to be hell of a deal. Wouldn't be least surprised to see 4.75 or even 4.5.

 

[GCK]

And what are we paying for this to happen?

Probably a 2nd + unless we retain.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

I stand by my statement that Zaitsev is gone this summer, assuming he accepts a trade to Arizona.

Yup been saying this for a while my self.

Will attach a 2nd and a b prospect or 3rd if need be.

Zub
Hamonic

Thomson knocking on the door and deserves 20-30 games next year minimum. Then you have JBD who should get another 5-10ish game look. and Brannstrom/Holden who can play right side. Only way we keep Zaitsev is if we trade Brannstrom instead, which is a real possibility, imo.

 

[GCK]

Yup been saying this for a while my self.

Will attach a 2nd and a b prospect or 3rd if need be.

Zub
Hamonic

Thomson knocking on the door and deserves 20-30 games next year minimum. Then you have JBD who should get another 5-10ish game look. and Brannstrom/Holden who can play right side. Only way we keep Zaitsev is if we trade Brannstrom instead, which is a real possibility, imo.

I think both Brannstrom and Zaitsev get moved. I also think Lassi makes the team out of camp.

 

[bert]

Probably a 2nd + unless we retain.

Should give them Brannstrom instead of the 2nd. Then go after a legit top 4 RD.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

I think both Brannstrom and Zaitsev get moved. I also think Lassi makes the team out of camp.

IMO it would mean someone coming in like Rutta or another piece. I don't think Thomson comes straight in(he's Hamonic's replacement the year after the next).

Chabot-Hamonic
Sanderson-Zub
Holden-Thomson

One injury to the right side and we are scrambling all over again. I also could very well see Zaitsev and Brann moved, but then I'd expect someone to come in.

 

[GCK]

Should give them Brannstrom instead of the 2nd. Then go after a legit top 4 RD.

I think the org plans to use Hamonic as a top 4 RD while giving Lassi 3rd pair with Holden. Not ideal but I can’t see us getting a Manson type.

 

[GCK]

IMO it would mean someone coming in like Rutta or another piece. I don't think Thomson comes straight in(he's Hamonic's replacement the year after the next).

Chabot-Hamonic
Sanderson-Zub
Holden-Thomson

One injury to the right side and we are scrambling all over again. I also could very well see Zaitsev and Brann moved, but then I'd expect someone to come in.

At some point you have to move forward with Thomson and JBD and I don’t want them coming in at the same time. Can’t have 2 rookies on the right side.

 

[bert]

I think the org plans to use Hamonic as a top 4 RD while giving Lassi 3rd pair with Holden. Not ideal but I can’t see us getting a Manson type.

I think you're probably right.

Just wishful thinking on my end. Hamonic to me is a 3rd pairing D man when there is an injury he is capable of moving up.

Ideally

Chabot Zub
Sanderson New top 4 D
Holden Hamonic
Del Zotto Thomson

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

At some point you have to move forward with Thomson and JBD and I don’t want them coming in at the same time. Can’t have 2 rookies on the right side.

Agreed. I foresee us keeping Brann or getting Rutta and splitting them with Thomson, especially with inevitable injuries and such.

Thomson splits 40 games in AHL 40 in NHL.

The following year he's full time. Not a rookie per say.

That's when JBD does his 40 game split. Plus, it would not matter if JBD comes in as a rookie in bottom pair as well(full time) since Sanderson will already be fully established(as top 4) and he and Chabot with Zub are the main cogs.

Next year:

Chabot-Hamonic
Sanderson-Zub
Holden/Brann-Brann/Rutta/Manson/whoever/Holden

Thomson main callup, plays majority of games with any injuries.

2 years:

Chabot-Thomson
Sanderson-Zub
(holdenlike player)/Brann-Manson/Rutta/UFA

JBD main callup, plays majority of games with any injuries

3(CUP CONTENDING YEAR)

Chabot-Thomson/Zub
Sanderson-Zub/Thomson
Kleven/Brann-JBD

Ofc all this subject to major changes.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

I think you're probably right.

Just wishful thinking on my end. Hamonic to me is a 3rd pairing D man when there is an injury he is capable of moving up.

I think they like the idea of having Hamonic play top 4 because if he falters, or someone else of that sort, we have Thomson to give extended looks. Bringing in anyone LEGIT means it gives Thomson a longer time to crack the team or get extended looks(20-30+ games).

I agree we could see someone coming in, but they'd also be in the mold of middle top 4, instead of legit.

We will lean heavily on Chabot, Zub, and Sanderson to provide us top 4 play. Hamonic, Holden, Brann/UFA, are the depth; and Thomson is the one with one foot in--who if he outplays someone, won't cost the team longterm in the same money it would have cost us to lock up the legit top 4.

 

[SpezDispenser]

Probably a 2nd + unless we retain.

Boo

 

[DueDiligence]

I would be thrilled if they could lock him up for 6 years 30 million.

Well that comes in at $5 million per which would be OK.

 

[bert]

Well that comes in at $5 million per which would be OK.

Which is why I would be thrilled, I dont think its happening. 6 Million would be fine too, I think it ends up more than 5 less than 6. Which for a player that is your best defensive D man, plays first pk, averages just under 22 minutes a game and capable of carrying a pair while contributing offensively. That is great. Methot made 4.9 and the cap was lower than it is now. Expecting anything less than 5 is unrealistic.

 

[Crosside]

When I watch the game the other day at RDS. The guys said the talk are really advanced for a extension. Dorion push hard for long term but his agent really want another short contract. I predict 3 for 4 m

 

[GCK]

When I watch the game the other day at RDS. The guys said the talk are really advanced for a extension. Dorion push hard for long term but his agent really want another short contract. I predict 3 for 4 m

Good news that Dorion is trying to go longer term. Shows me he realizes Zub is core.