Player Discussion Artem Zub (D) Part 2 [Extended 4 years @ $4.6M]

[GCK]

It's going to be difficult for them to move both MDZ & Zaitsev between now & the start of next season given the term & money left on both. I'd be surprised if they are in on Chychrun as it seems to be expensive for them & could include our 1st which would negate Jiricek unless they would take a 2023 1st. I really want them to draft Jiricek as I see him as solidifying this defence for yrs to come & he brings some size & nastiness as does Kleven when he gets here which IMO they need on the back end.

We currently have a 49.8% chance of drafting 8th. You might want to find a new chew toy.

 

[aragorn]

We currently have a 49.8% chance of drafting 8th. You might want to find a new chew toy.

What? He might still be there or Nemec, but if not there will certainly be able to get a good player there. Then I would hope they would look to move up to target Tristan Luneau RD.

 

[GCK]

What? He might still be there or Nemec, but if not there will certainly be able to get a good player there. Then I would hope they would look to move up to target Tristan Luneau RD.

I love your passion man. You hone in on players you like and won’t let go it’s awesome. Your track record is pretty good as well. Lundell is really good, Askorov not so much. There was Schneider in 2018 and he’s exceeded expectations. How above trading back to 13-16 range while adding a 2nd and grabbing both Luneau and Warren out of Gatineau. We’d still have our 2nd and Tampa’s 2nd along with 3 3rds.

 

[aragorn]

I love your passion man. You hone in on players you like and won’t let go it’s awesome. Your track record is pretty good as well. Lundell is really good, Askorov not so much. There was Schneider in 2018 and he’s exceeded expectations. How above trading back to 13-16 range while adding a 2nd and grabbing both Luneau and Warren out of Gatineau. We’d still have our 2nd and Tampa’s 2nd along with 3 3rds.

Like a dog with a bone. I like a few guys in this draft, Yurov, Geekie, Gauthier, Gaucher, Snuggerud, Luneau & Pickering. It's still early for Askarov, look how many good Russian goalies there are in the NHL & Nashville has been golden with goalies in their history. Lundell is going to be a good player, size, skill & determination to win. If Warren can improve his skating he could be a sleeper. A package to move back where they could end up with another 1st rd pick to come away from the draft with a good RD & forward in the 1st would be interesting.

 

[GCK]

I like a few guys in this draft, Yurov, Geekie, Gauthier, Gaucher, Snuggerud, Luneau & Pickering. It's still early for Askarov, look how many good Russian goalies there are in the NHL & Nashville has been golden with goalies in their history. Lundell is going to be a good player, size, skill & determination to win. If Warren can improve his skating he could be a sleeper. A package to move back where they could end up with another 1st rd pick to come away from the draft with a good RD & forward in the 1st would be interesting.

I’m thinking Yurov is our pick if we are there. I’m not big on Geekie, I think we have more than one equivalent in the system.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

It's going to be difficult for them to move both MDZ & Zaitsev between now & the start of next season given the term & money left on both. I'd be surprised if they are in on Chychrun as it seems to be expensive for them & could include our 1st which would negate Jiricek unless they would take a 2023 1st. I really want them to draft Jiricek as I see him as solidifying this defence for yrs to come & he brings some size & nastiness as does Kleven when he gets here which IMO they need on the back end.

Chychrun will get a 1st + I have no doubt about it. Chychrun vs anyone we draft or in our system are two different approaches to when we want to compete.

 

[aragorn]

Chychrun will get a 1st + I have no doubt about it. Chychrun vs anyone we draft or in our system are two different approaches to when we want to compete.

Chychrun is a LD & we have Chabot, Sanderson & Kleven coming to fill the three LD spots IMO. Now one of them or Chychrun I assume could play their off side I guess, but this team needs a legitimate top 4 RD so why not draft & groom your own? I'm not sure this team has the makings just yet to challenge for a SC with Chychrun although he is a good young defenceman. Everyone else also has to get better for that to happen but they are certainly trending in the right direction especially when fully healthy.

Jiricek is already NHL size, already playing with men & could go directly to Belleville to play right after they draft him if they want. Then we could see if or how long it would take to get him NHL ready given he is ranked in the top 10. He might never be as good as Chychrun is now, but he has potential & could be as good or better & could grow with the team. I just don't want to lose a good player that we would have to replace all over again.

 

[HSF]

Chychrun is a LD & we have Chabot, Sanderson & Kleven coming to fill the three LD spots IMO. Now one of them or Chychrun I assume could play their off side I guess, but this team needs a legitimate top 4 RD so why not draft & groom your own? I'm not sure this team has the makings just yet to challenge for a SC with Chychrun although he is a good young defenceman. Everyone else also has to get better for that to happen but they are certainly trending in the right direction especially when fully healthy.

Jiricek is already NHL size, already playing with men & could go directly to Belleville to play right after they draft him if they want. Then we could see if or how long it would take to get him NHL ready given he is ranked in the top 10. He might never be as good as Chychrun is now, but he has potential & could be as good or better & could grow with the team. I just don't want to lose a good player that we would have to replace all over again.

Tampa bay runs

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on their left side. I see now reason why we can't

 

[PlayersLtd]

Tampa bay runs

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on their left side. I see now reason why we can't

Tampa is circumventing the cap to make that work. We need to manage our cap carefully 4-5 years from now and that will likely mean being frugal with the bottom pair along with our 3rd and fourth line. $5M or so on the bottom pair is an absolute non starter when you consider the number of significant contracts we're going to have in 4 years.

We could always make moves and suffer cap casualties later but knowing Melnyk, if this team is spending to the cap it's because the talent has more or less emerged internally and forced him closer and closer to the ceiling as we contend more and more. imo

 

[Boud]

Tampa bay runs

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on their left side. I see now reason why we can't

I don't really see the need though as we have other, more pressing needs.

IMO going for a LD when you already have 1 real #1D already on that side and another very real potential #1D incoming is overkill.

We need help on RW, maybe even LW if they decide to keep Stutzle and Pinto at center. We definitely need another top 6 forward regardless IMO.

We also could use another RD as we are much weaker on that side at this point. The way the team is shaping up you have Chabot who will play 22-25 minutes a night and same for Sanderson after he gets acclimated. That doesn't leave many minutes for another guy like Chychrun. And sure you could split the ice time with your 3 pairs equally but is that really a good use of our cap space? I dont know for me I dont see it.

 

[JD1]

Didn't the Sens already make the obligatory phone call on Chychrun and decide the price was too high?

 

[Micklebot]

Didn't the Sens already make the obligatory phone call on Chychrun and decide the price was too high?

News to me but I don't doubt it.

That said, there's no reason we should be paying a premium for a LD with Chabot, Sanderson, and Brannstrom in the system.

 

[Ice-Tray]

News to me but I don't doubt it.

That said, there's no reason we should be paying a premium for a LD with Chabot, Sanderson, and Brannstrom in the system.

It was reportedly so. Kinda have to have the chat, much like with Eichel.

I agree though, good chance this guy would be our third best D man which really should be something we pay heavily for.

 

[aragorn]

News to me but I don't doubt it.

That said, there's no reason we should be paying a premium for a LD with Chabot, Sanderson, and Brannstrom in the system.

And Kleven LD & they did make the call if Team1200 is to be believed.

 

[aragorn]

Has anyone considered that Zub & Zaitsev might be friends? I believe that Zaitsev is the translator for Zub in games & at practise. If Zaitsev is traded before Zub signs another contract what if he decides not to re-sign because they traded his buddy? And decides to go to another team that has a Russian on it he might know. Maybe if they bring in Kuzmenko he stays, but that remains to be seen. I still think Zaitsev will be very difficult to move though because of his contract & term.

 

[bicboi64]

Has anyone considered that Zub & Zaitsev might be friends? I believe that Zaitsev is the translator for Zub in games & at practise. If Zaitsev is traded before Zub signs another contract what if he decides not to re-sign because they traded his buddy? And decides to go to another team that has a Russian on it he might know. Maybe if they bring in Kuzmenko he stays, but that remains to be seen. I still think Zaitsev will be very difficult to move though because of his contract & term.

This is honestly the only reason I'd be hesitant to trade Zaitsev. Having said that, I hope Zub realizes that Zaitsev isn't worth his contract and is constantly being outplayed by the younger guys. Hopefully Sokolov can make the jump and we can sign Kuzmenko, because it'd be a shame to keep a bad contract when we have others ready in the pipeline.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Has anyone considered that Zub & Zaitsev might be friends? I believe that Zaitsev is the translator for Zub in games & at practise. If Zaitsev is traded before Zub signs another contract what if he decides not to re-sign because they traded his buddy? And decides to go to another team that has a Russian on it he might know. Maybe if they bring in Kuzmenko he stays, but that remains to be seen. I still think Zaitsev will be very difficult to move though because of his contract & term.

Zaitsev doesn't have any friends lol

 

[aragorn]

Zaitsev doesn't have any friends lol

That made me laugh ....

 

[Ice-Tray]

Conor Brown told us in an interview last season that Zaitsev is one of the heart and soul players on the team. When he’s on a roll I can see why.

Maybe he’s lying, but then again, we know that chemistry, intangibles, friendships and generally being human beings, isn’t exactly part of the equation for many hockey fans. Unfortunately these things tend to be one of the deciding factor for great teams.

Advanced stats are such crap in this sport compared to watching the game. There, I said it. This place now has people demanding that posters take notes, read up, do research, etc…. Screw that noise, I’m a dipshit that doesn’t make spreadsheets for work, and not definitely for fun, is there still room for a fan like me still? Haha

Watch games, make comments. Hopefully there are still fans like me out there!

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Advanced stats are such crap in this sport compared to watching the game. There, I said it. This place now has people demanding that posters take notes, read up, do research, etc…. Screw that noise, I’m a dipshit that doesn’t make spreadsheets for work, and not definitely for fun, is there still room for a fan like me still? Haha

 

[Ice-Tray]

Honestly I’m glad that folks that love that kind of thing have found a way to work it into their spare time passions.

I guess folks that just like to watch games and talk about what they saw are becoming more rare. More likely, they just aren’t spending time online posting about the Sens.

Nerds are going to nerd, some of us just aren’t numbers nerds.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Honestly I’m glad that folks that love that kind of thing have found a way to work it into their spare time passions.

I guess folks that just like to watch games and talk about what they saw are becoming more rare. More likely, they just aren’t spending time online posting about the Sens.

Nerds are going to nerd, some of us just aren’t numbers nerds.

Looool, I was just horsing around, bro. I am far bigger on the eye test than advanced stats. I rarely look at those except for clear indicators like puck possession and the like.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Looool, I was just horsing around, bro. I am far bigger on the eye test than advanced stats. I rarely look at those except for clear indicators like puck possession and the like.

Don’t get me wrong I’m kidding around as well. It’s all good

Pontificating in the morning after a night of dancing… lol

 

[JD1]

Don’t get me wrong I’m kidding around as well. It’s all good

Pontificating in the morning after a night of dancing… lol

You went dancing after last night's debacle? Ew.

 

[Ice-Tray]

You went dancing after last night's debacle? Ew.

Missed the game, thankfully by the sounds of it. It was my wife’s birthday