Arrest over Johnson death / released within 24 hours, investigation remains open

[Mattb124]

No he hasn’t and before you reference a video from his junior days where misses a hit and his back leg swings around, that’s what happens when you launch into a hit but make no/little contact.


0:15 and 2:52 are good examples.

So very not what you are claiming. Petgrave did not launch into a hit or even lose his balance, but rather whipped his right leg back to impede the opposing player. It appears to be the very same thing he did in this case.

 

[Frosty415]

So do you seriously think that killing another player in a professional hockey game isn’t going to scar someone for life? Seriously?



They’re almost definitely going to get dropped.

If you're speeding and kill someone, it's manslaughter.

There's consequences to life, especially being reckless enough to f***ing raise your skate high enough to end a life.

He ENDED a life.

It's warranted, can't believe some of you are defending this shit, a player DIED.

 

[Legend123]

And people have been killed indirectly by falling bullets.

Where is the analogy to this particular case, the blade cut them? We've seen this happen in the NHL before, and though the result is the same, the actual sequences have been vastly different.

Context is something that's extremely important here, dumbing it down to this level isn't helpful in any manner.

I'm not proving or asserting anything. It's just evidence freak accidents.

And no matter how adamant you are, you can't prove it was intentional. Good luck proving that. Reckless or negligent ? Perhaps but intentional? Certainly not

 

[Petey O]

What’s with the quotations. Was it not from his time in the OHL with Niagara? Was it not an attempted hit?

They aren’t perfect examples, the route of the hit is different and he does catch himself before he lands but it’s the same forces at play. Most of your load is going to be on that leading leg and as you launch up, that back leg comes up. You even see it when solid contact is made that the trailing leg often swings up

You had a case before he essentially decapitated Adam with a different version of this move, but it's clear as day that this is just a thing he does to make hits more brutal. A one off is different than a pattern of behavior, not only using this move, but similarly dirty plays in an attempt to injure his opponents.

Look at how the kid he hit in the junior video went flipping hard onto the ice, almost like the effects of a hip check. Rather than missing the hit completely and looking stupid, there is substance to the contact. That in itself was a very dangerous play, and he should have been educated by a coach/other player on the dangers of using your leg in that manner. Either he wasn't, or ignored the advice.

 

[Colt.45Orr]

In that video, he looks for shoulder contact 1st, but whips the leg in case he misses the hit. Dirty player.

 

[Straight Fire]

It looks like Motorsport has had 273 deaths in history. I've watched live events where death (s) have occurred. There is a small chance of death-level injury in the NHL. I'd suggest football has about as much chance. Many sports (extreme sports), including all of motorsports have a much higher chance at fatality I'm quite sure. The point is, accepted risk is a thing.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_driver_deaths_in_motorsport

I do think investigation is good though. Hopefully a sensible approach is taken.

 

[Frosty415]

In that video, he looks for shoulder contact 1st, but whips the leg in case he misses the hit. Dirty player.

Yep, 100 percent has a history and people pretend he doesn't.

 

[TimeZone]

I'm not proving or asserting anything. It's just evidence freak accidents.

And no matter how adamant you are, you can't prove it was intentional. Good luck proving that. Reckless or negligent ? Perhaps but intentional? Certainly not

Reckless negligence that results in death is grounds for a manslaughter charge.

You understand that he isn't being charged with first degree murder, and that Guhle getting cut with a skate tonight is completely and utterly worthless in the grand scheme of this discussion, correct?

 

[Frosty415]

On top of whatever criminal punishment he receives, if any, I'd hope that these repeat offenses result in a lifetime ban from the sport. What an absolute piece of shit.

I appreciate your perspective on the event. Grateful to have someone else's eyes.

Well said, I'm glad people are acknowledging his dirty history.

 

[Cursed Lemon]

Justice? Lol... how is sending a man to a home... feeding him every day, keeping him warm off the tax payers dollar and potentially making him a worse human being called justice?

So now we've graduated to Matt Petgrave should be executed for this incident

Good to know the type of people we're dealing with on the other side of this

 

[Korpse]

You had a case before he essentially decapitated Adam with a different version of this move, but it's clear as day that this is just a thing he does to make hits more brutal. A one off is different than a pattern of behavior, not only using this move, but similarly dirty plays in an attempt to injure his opponents.

Look at how the kid he hit in the junior video went flipping hard onto the ice, almost like the effects of a hip check. Rather than missing the hit completely and looking stupid, there is substance to the contact. That in itself was a very dangerous play, and he should have been educated by a coach/other player on the dangers of using your leg in that manner. Either he wasn't, or ignored the advice.

Okay. What are you saying? My explanation is valid but because you want to demonstrate a pattern of behaviour, it is now irrelevant? That's not exactly a sound argument you are building, but given the language you use to describe the recent events I can't say you are coming at this with a rational perspective.

 

[norrisnick]

Bro! Little girls and boys skate every day.

Yeah, and if one goes ass over teakettle and cuts another you sending them to juvy?

 

[Petey O]

Okay. What are you saying? My explanation is valid but because you want to demonstrate a pattern of behaviour, it is now irrelevant? That's not exactly a sound argument you are building, but given the language you use to describe the recent events I can't say you are coming at this with a rational perspective.

Your explanation isn't valid. The guy whipped his leg back after missing the hit so he wouldn't look silly. The examples you linked to prove similar plays were terrible examples without any similarity.

 

[Korpse]

Your explanation isn't valid. The guy whipped his leg back after missing the hit so he wouldn't look silly. The examples you linked to prove similar plays were terrible examples without any similarity.

So saying I would have had a case had it not be for recent events was just filler?

 

[karltonian]

The fact that this is arguable makes the case for negligence at the least. A person dies, someone has to pay the price.

 

[Kimota]

About freaking time! Seems like in the UK they didn't know that in hockey you NEVER leave your feet off the ice. The guy literally gave him a superkick.

 

[Petey O]

So saying I would have had a case had it not be for recent events was just filler?

If it happens only once and the guy doesn't have a history of ever doing it, it would be a stupid, reckless play. It wouldn't have been an 'accident', but a stupid play that he probably would have taken back in the context.

With a history of doing this intent to injure shit, no different than someone like Matt Cooke, it's clear that this is just a pattern of behavior in this guy's career. He tries to injure his opponents on the ice.

 

[Frank Drebin]

If it happens only once and the guy doesn't have a history of ever doing it, it would be a stupid, reckless play. It wouldn't have been an 'accident', but a stupid play that he probably would have taken back in the context.

With a history of doing this intent to injure shit, no different than someone like Matt Cooke, it's clear that this is just a pattern of behavior in this guy's career. He tries to injure his opponents on the ice.

I was trying to explain what I thought about Cooke to my wife. Its not like he went out of his way to injure opponents, but whenever he was in the position to injure them something in his brain always made him do the wrong thing. To me it almost felt like it was a subconscious impulse.

 

[norrisnick]

6" here and Mark Stone is arrested for manslaughter, right? That's how this works? Spinning heel-kick to the face of Miller because that's how all this shit is interpreted...



That's a 12:44 clip of dudes taking skates to the face and they omitted the two most horrific from the NHL.

 

[dj4aces]

The BBC article merely states Petgrave was "arrested on suspicion of manslaughter", and further quotes a detective that said they're "carrying out extensive inquiries". It sounds to me like they're still investigating.

 

[Hank Plank]

I'm losing all faith in humanity.

 

[Mirka the Turka]

Justice for Adam Johnson

 

[Cursed Lemon]

6" here and Mark Stone is arrested for manslaughter, right? That's how this works? Spinning heel-kick to the face of Miller because that's how all this shit is interpreted...



That's a 12:44 clip of dudes taking skates to the face and they omitted the two most horrific from the NHL.

There's a reason they keep flip-flopping from "he meant to do it" and "it was reckless" depending on what page of this shitstorm we're on.

 

[Gillings]

Is this satire? If not, at the most basic level consequences for actions has the effect of reducing such actions. In case you still don't get it, people don't like their freedoms taken away.

What freedoms? Freedom is an illusion my guy.

So now we've graduated to Matt Petgrave should be executed for this incident

Good to know the type of people we're dealing with on the other side of this

The words you put in my mouth taste like ****

 

[Petey O]

There's a reason they keep flip-flopping from "he meant to do it" and "it was reckless" depending on what page of this shitstorm we're on.

He meant to hurt or injure Adam Johnson like he's tried to hurt and injure players, by all accounts, throughout most of his career.

It happened in the process of him attempting to hurt a player. It wasn't a result of tripping while playing the face off.

Mark Stone isn't a POS who has tried to intentionally injure guys on the ice during his career. Petgrave is.