Arrest over Johnson death / released within 24 hours, investigation remains open

[BahlDeep]

Justice? Lol... how is sending a man to a home... feeding him every day, keeping him warm off the tax payers dollar and potentially making him a worse human being called justice?

Chill out, Karl

 

[Hank Plank]

Justice? Lol... how is sending a man to a home... feeding him every day, keeping him warm off the tax payers dollar and potentially making him a worse human being called justice?

Is this satire? If not, at the most basic level consequences for actions has the effect of reducing such actions. In case you still don't get it, people don't like their freedoms taken away.

 

[River Meadow]

I'm of the opinion that it was a freak accident, but let's not pretend that there haven't been former professional players who have stated that this was an event that either had malicious intent or, at the very least, was reckless.

There's nothing to indicate that this was premeditated in any way. It looked like a defenseman who was intent on making contact with a big hit around the blueline, but unfortunately, had his skate clipped by a teammate, which caused the blade of his skate to be as high as where it was. I can see why so many people would believe that this was a deliberate act by watching the video. That being said, the game of hockey is played at such a fast pace that hits and a freak accident like this can look calculated. That's just my perspective of what happened.

A freak accident for a guy who's done the same move with his leg/skate in the air in the past?

It's user error bruh.

He's lucky he hasn't killed/hurt anyone else until now.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

I'm not sure I've liked anything that's come out of that country since The Smiths, but I hope they're better at video reviews than the NHL is

 

[Mirka the Turka]

 

[T REX]

Didn't read the whole thread.

The only thing I can think of is that he some threats on the ice and they wear heard by witnesses. Unless he admitted he was in rage and things got out of hand. Something akin to a confession.

Otherwise, ridiculous.

Please no more politics. Please.

 

[Colt.45Orr]

I've watched 40 years of hockey and never seen anything like it. I believe (but, obviously, don't know) that he meant to impede the opposing player with his leg as AJ cut across the midle w the puck in/near possession.

There is a good reason you never see players lift their leg like that. Shoulders/elbows/sticks... sure, but never legs.

Damning.

Reckless player. Not attempted murder, but manslaughter charges need to be looked at.

 

[Korpse]

Exactly.

He's done this in the past.

This wasn't no accident (the leg move, not the death).

This is a move of his.

No he hasn’t and before you reference a video from his junior days where misses a hit and his back leg swings around, that’s what happens when you launch into a hit but make no/little contact.


0:15 and 2:52 are good examples.

 

[Petey O]

Holy f***. If that's the case, that's horrific. I'm guessing manslaughter is too light a charge if this is the case? Now I definitely never want to see the video.

The question regarding a potential manslaughter charge is: Was it voluntary or involuntary? Voluntary manslaughter for obvious reasons usually brings a harsher sentence. It is certainly not a light charge, in the context.

Was Petgrave being recklessly negligent or did he put his skate where he did to cause bodily harm to Johnson? That'd be the difference between involuntary and voluntary in this case.

And honestly, if they determine it is manslaughter, I don't know how you can say putting your skate where he did is anything less than an act that is naturally dangerous to human life. He is a hockey player. He knows how sharp skates are. He knows that the force of a kick to human skin is going to do damage. Heck, even through a jersey in the right places.

The fact that there is literally video of him doing something similar in the past (albeit putting his skate a lot lower) makes this even more convincing, in my opinion. It wasn't an "accident". Did Petgrave try to kill the guy? Obviously not, but did he try to hurt him? I think so.

 

[Maple Leaf]

Where are all the reddit warriors defending this guy now? still defending

 

[Crazy8oooo]

I haven't, and won't, watch it the clip. I'd heard the other player was perhaps somewhat careless, but that it was a completely accidental play. To charge this player with manslaughter would be akin Chris Therien having been charged if the slap shot he took that struck Trent McCleary in the throat had killed him (granted it would have had Dr. Mulder not been so proactive and performed the tracheostomy in the tunnel to the locker room). This seems like an overreach to me.

Well if you admittedly haven’t watched the clip, how can you give an opinion about it being an overreach?

 

[centipede2233]

He’s guilty and should get a last meal before picking gas chamber, electric chair or firing squad. I’m half joking

 

[Frank Drebin]

I think he's responsible but it has to be next to impossible to prove intent on this.

 

[Petey O]

No he hasn’t and before you reference a video from his junior days where misses a hit and his back leg swings around, that’s what happens when you launch into a hit but make no/little contact.


0:15 and 2:52 are good examples.

Bro, those 'examples' you linked are guys missing hits, losing balance and going flailing as a result onto their faces. Petgrave is fully balanced (at least has both skates on the ice) after the 'missed hit' in the 'junior days' video. He clearly uses his leg to essentially slewfoot the guy as he goes into contact.

 

[AcerComputer]

I think he's responsible but it has to be next to impossible to prove intent on this.

That's why it's called involuntary manslaughter.

 

[Forgetful]

Kind of looks like he was going in for a knee on knee and lost his balance at the last second

 

[Petey O]

That's why it's called involuntary manslaughter.

I don't see any valid breakdown that proves that he didn't intend to kick Adam high. Thrusting that razor sharp skate blade anywhere on the body, much less high on the body, is dangerous. Being in the 'heat of the moment' doesn't necessarily take away intent.

It was intent to injure or really hurt Adam, from my perspective. Maybe not from the blade itself, but from the kick. It was a Matt Cookesque intent to injure, but even Cooke wouldn't put his skate as high as Petgrave did.

 

[Legend123]

Can you DM a video of this player being sweet chinned music in the throat?

???

 

[Korpse]

Bro, those 'examples' you linked are guys missing hits, losing balance and going flailing as a result onto their faces. Petgrave is fully balanced (at least has both skates on the ice) after the 'missed hit' in the 'junior days' video. He clearly uses his leg to essentially slewfoot the guy as he goes into contact.

What’s with the quotations. Was it not from his time in the OHL with Niagara? Was it not an attempted hit?

They aren’t perfect examples, the route of the hit is different and he does catch himself before he lands but it’s the same forces at play. Most of your load is going to be on that leading leg and as you launch up, that back leg comes up. You even see it when solid contact is made that the trailing leg often swings up

 

[Frosty415]

I love how the mainstream media is avoiding mentioning a name.

Well deserved, he didn't mean to do it but he was a reckless and deserves manslaughter.

He ended a life.

 

[Korpse]

I love how the mainstream media is avoiding mentioning a name.

Why do you think that is?

 

[hangman005]

The only thing worse than your fate being in the hands of 12 members of a jury, is having your fate in the hands of a single judge...

NZ is bad in this regard. Not sure about the UK or Canada, but to be eligible for a jury trial the maximum sentence must be more that 2 years, everything less than that is judge alone... and if you do get jury trial in reality the burdon of proof for "Beyond a Reasonable Doubt" is severly deminished as it only takes 11 jury members to convict.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Can you DM a video of this player being sweet chinned music in the throat?

Guhle took a skate to the face in tonights game.

 

[TimeZone]

Guhle took a skate to the face in tonights game.

???

And people have been killed indirectly by falling bullets.

Where is the analogy to this particular case, the blade cut them? We've seen this happen in the NHL before, and though the result is the same, the actual sequences have been vastly different.

Context is something that's extremely important here, dumbing it down to this level isn't helpful in any manner.

 

[DekeyPete]

Looked malicious and intentional. Not a hockey play at all. Condolences to the family