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.... I'm talking about his face.
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Ouch. Father Time is undefeated though.
I’m sure having triplets doesn’t help either.
But still, congrats to Petro on 1000 games.
Absolutely. Lol. It was just weird seeing his NHL picture from this year.
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Congrats to Pietro, 1000 games is a big deal. Hope he makes the HHOF some day.
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I feel like if I had triplets I'd look more like Nick Nolte's infamous mugshot.
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His current resume isn't 1st ballot caliber, but I think it could eventually get him in. 2 Cups as the #1D with 2 different teams, an Olympic gold, a World Cup of Hockey gold, and a World Junior gold is a lot of winning. No individual awards, but he's a 3-time end of season 2nd team all star (who finished top 5 in Norris voting). That sounds like a fringe guy who eventually gets in.
With that said, he still has time to bolster that resume. He's not going to win a Norris and he's not going to pile up hundreds more points. But he's under contract for 275 more regular season games and will likely play another 200+ regular season games. Who knows what the Vegas roster will look like in 2+ years, but my money would be on them continuing to be good for at least 2024/25 and 2025/26. He has that full NMC and the bonus structure makes it nearly pointless to buy him out until the summer of 2026, so I think it is reasonable to expect him to get 3 more real kicks at the can in the playoffs.
He should pile on to those counting stats and has a real chance to get himself into the top 30 D men in a lot of them (games played, points, playoff games played, and playoff points).
I think another Cup would lock him in, but simply continuing to play a #1 or top pair role for a good Vegas team through 2025/26 is going to get his counting stats tucked nicely among Hall of Famers.
Edit: forgetting HHOF and just focusing on his current career, the thing I find most impressive about his first 1,000 games is that this is the 13th straight season where he has led his team in TOI per game. He was 14 seconds behind Brewer during his rookie season, and then he's been his team's #1 every year since. That span accounts for 904 of his 1,000 games played. If he can continue the streak this year and next, he will play 1,000 straight games as a #1 D man. He's pushing a decade and a half as a #1 NHL D man, which is super impressive.
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This isn't a knock against you but I think the whole "no individual awards" or "No Stanley cup" as an excuse to keep someone out is lame as f***. I just think Pietrangelo shouldn't ever be in the HoF because it would upset certain people. Yes, I know I'm a dick and petty.
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I don't think a lack of either is a bar to entry, but those are measures of success. Winning an individual award is concrete proof that you were among the league's best (either for an entire season or for the playoffs). We can quibble about years where player X should have won instead of player Y, but there really aren't any examples where the winner of an award didn't at least have an argument as 'the best.' Being in that tier should be considered for the HHOF. On the flip side, never being a winner or finalist for an award demonstrates that there was never a consensus about you being truly elite at any given time.
I tend to put less stock in just getting your name on the Cup than some, but it is undeniably a factor that the HHOF committee cares about. And I agree with them that being a key guy on several winning teams is resume-worthy.
At the risk of getting too in the weeds with Petro, I think everyone would agree that he was never considered the league's best D man while he was here and was rarely in the argument for top 5. No one is making the argument that he will finish his career ahead of Keith, Doughty, Hedman, or Karlsson when debating the best D men of his generation and there isn't a single season where you look at the candidates and say "Petro got robbed." His resume is based on longevity as a very, very good D man rather than any brief period of true greatness where he was viewed as the league's best.
It's probably the longer hair and the 3-4 years age difference. Looking at him with his helmet on he looks much closer to what I remember vs his nhl.com player page.
Torts is still telling SanFilipo that he will not answer any questions from him. And has been since the Kevin Hayes thing.
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I would hate for Torts to be the Blues’ coach, but I do admire his commitment to his principles, even if I disagree with a lot of them.
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there should be consequences for making things up, this is severe but i don't mind
Jarmo finally got canned. Surprised JD survived and actually got more power!
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I liked Jarmo when he was here but I’m pretty shocked he lasted 11 years in Columbus. He was simply a bad GM.
JD sacrificed him to save his own butt IMO. I’ve never been super impressed with JD either. He seems to keep getting roles based on his reputation but I’m not sure exactly what he actually contributes. I mean, it could be a lot as we’re not in the office with these guys but at least from my view, while with the Blues, he seemed to be a very highly paid communications director. Pleau and Armstrong did the actual work and JD was good at talking to the media. Army’s a lot more comfortable being the public face than Pleau was so they finally figured out they didn’t need both.
I feel bad for Jackets fans. They’ve had some nice pieces over the years but keep making poor moves and they constantly stagnate.
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There's talk that Columbus is going to let JD "retire" at the end of the season out of respect for him. We will see if that's true. Jarmo is a terrible GM, and Jackets fans deserve better. I hope they finally build a consistent winner there soon.
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Jarmo pre-2020 was not a bad GM. Jarmo from 2021 on was a bad GM.
And even writing off last season, when everyone down to the emergency backup beer vendors throughout Nationwide Arena got hurt, his moves were increasingly questionable. Maybe more damning, there was rarely (aside from perhaps firing Brad Larsen) any accountability from anyone under him. People got brought in, terrible results piled up, those people got rewarded anyway and it seemed to be increasingly a landing spot for ex-Blue Jackets to get a post-retirement paycheck.
We should have a thread about this, because there seems to be A LOT of revisionist history re: John Davidson with the Blues. Put it this way: in 2006-2009, no one was asking what the f*** is Davidson doing for this team?
1. That's bullshit. I've been told over the years Pleau didn't do a goddamn thing here. Or, anything that was good was always someone else's doing, anything that was bad was always Pleau's doing.
2. Davidson came in and was the voice of the team to built legitimacy between the fans and the new ownership group. Everyone f***ing hated Pleau, if he said something fans were oh f*** you, Pleau, go f*** yourself you f***ing piece of f***ing shit. JD said the exact same thing, fans were oh, OK, yeah that makes sense., OK I buy that, let's roll! Nothing different in the message, just a different messenger and maybe a different tone.
3. JD leaving was more a cost-cutting measure than anything else. Which, OK, I get that, but I think $ played more of a role than Armstrong's ability to talk to the media because it wasn't too long after that when Stillman decided to sell the Peoria Rivermen and that was purely a cost-cutting move. Oh, and recall that Armstrong helped push for affiliating with the Chicago Wolves - a move that ... to be kind, did not work out well for us.
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Feel free to start that thread or just state here to remind us what made JD so valuable from 2006-09.
Your points 1 and 2 seem to contradict each other. Yes, most fans didn’t like Pleau and thought he did a bad job and gave him hell (I definitely remember “Pleau must geau!”). But you yourself say all JD did was say the same things but fans were cool with him saying it. My personal opinion is that Pleau was a fine GM. Not great and didn’t project himself super well which made people lose confidence in him even if what he was doing made sense. But in hindsight, I don’t really have an issue with Pleau.
Yes, JD was a cost cutting move. With Army able to do anything JD could, JD was redundant and they came to an agreement for him to leave.
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