Around the NHL 2023-2024

[Brockon]

Basically, Player One brought the girl to a place, called seven of his fellow players, they proceeded to gang-rape her, and forced her to do a video - in tears - where she said that she consented to it all.

It's bad.

Wait, player x called 7 other players to join in? Why are we only seeing 5 players charged rather than 8 if that's the case?

And if there's a video, why was the case dropped in 2020? Seems like a video would be pretty compelling evidence (unless that was the new evidence that re-opened the case).

I know I tend to miss a fair bit of the news, but that's definitely something I should have heard about in the media, rather than on HFB - where exactly did you hear about these specifics?

 

[Majorityof1]

Wait, player x called 7 other players to join in? Why are we only seeing 5 players charged rather than 8 if that's the case?

And if there's a video, why was the case dropped in 2020? Seems like a video would be pretty compelling evidence (unless that was the new evidence that re-opened the case).

I know I tend to miss a fair bit of the news, but that's definitely something I should have heard about in the media, rather than on HFB - where exactly did you hear about these specifics?

It took me 26 seconds to google and pull up this article. Pretty much exactly what @Memento said in the first two paragraphs.

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/world-juniors-assault-explainer-1.7100420

 

[Brockon]

i love this trade! canucks may have best top 9 in west with lindholm they have a goalie who can steal a series. they may well be best team in west in the end, no matter how obnoxious their fanbase can be. and calgary got full value here. they weren't resigning him and they got in addition to the obligatory 1st and raondo prospect, a overate prospect with still potentially nice upside and reclamation project in kuzmenko they can potentially rehabilitate value on and flip for more assets. everybody wins! until canucks get knocked out by a wild card team and the ohl legend prospect flops. either way, so much fun for us! i love this trade!!!

Seems pretty steep if Lindholm is a rental, even if you consider adding for moving the Kuzmenko contract as part of the equation.

Vancouver has an awful lot of expiring contracts this summer and some serious money will be needed to resign Pettersson and Hronek - they really can't afford to lose either, and I expect it to cost 18m+ AAV to sign both. Leaves them with ~18m and 13 players under contract... With only Hughes, Hronek, Soucy and Juulsen on the blue line signed into next season (assuming Hronek is signed).

That's a #3/4 dman and 2 #5-7 guys, 3 bottom 6 guys and a back up - before looking at extending Lindholm. Doable, but that's definitely not going to leave them much cap space for adds next year if they try to retain Dokota, Lafferty and Blueger who should be looking for 3-4 year deals in the 1.5-2.5m AAV range. All 3 have looked damn good for Vancouver, who should value them above replacement level bottom 6ers and try to retain them.

I don't think Vancouver will be acquiring any more big names prior to the TDL - but F they do, I have to think bluechip prospects have to be in play.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Seems pretty steep if Lindholm is a rental, even if you consider adding for moving the Kuzmenko contract as part of the equation.

Vancouver has an awful lot of expiring contracts this summer and some serious money will be needed to resign Pettersson and Hronek - they really can't afford to lose either, and I expect it to cost 18m+ AAV to sign both. Leaves them with ~18m and 13 players under contract... With only Hughes, Hronek, Soucy and Juulsen on the blue line signed into next season (assuming Hronek is signed).

That's a #3/4 dman and 2 #5-7 guys, 3 bottom 6 guys and a back up - before looking at extending Lindholm. Doable, but that's definitely not going to leave them much cap space for adds next year if they try to retain Dokota, Lafferty and Blueger who should be looking for 3-4 year deals in the 1.5-2.5m AAV range. All 3 have looked damn good for Vancouver, who should value them above replacement level bottom 6ers and try to retain them.

I don't think Vancouver will be acquiring any more big names prior to the TDL - but F they do, I have to think bluechip prospects have to be in play.

clearing out next year's money for vancouver was i think huge motivator. i think they let lindholm walk, as if he plays well enough to help you this year he is gonna get paid and you can't pay and if he doesn't why would you?

 

[Brockon]

It took me 26 seconds to google and pull up this article. Pretty much exactly what @Memento said in the first two paragraphs.

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/world-juniors-assault-explainer-1.7100420

Thanks for the link!

Don't really care for the inclusion of how long it took you to find the article you provided, when I'm trying to get some insight as to sourcing for something that has been heavily discussed revolving around rumours & speculation when suddenly some pretty specific statements are made - I feel just providing the link would have been more than enough...

 

[Majorityof1]

Thanks for the link!

Don't really care for the inclusion of how long it took you to find the article you provided, when I'm trying to get some insight as to sourcing for something that has been heavily discussed revolving around rumours & speculation when suddenly some pretty specific statements are made - I feel just providing the link would have been more than enough...

Just asking for the link would have just gotten you the link. Calling into question the validity of Memento's summary when it would take you less than a minute to verify it yourself earned you the pointed comment. "I know I tend to miss a fair bit of the news, but that's definitely something I should have heard about in the media" You definitely would have heard about it if you took a minute to type "Canadian world junior rape case" and click on the first link on google.

 

[Brockon]

Just asking for the link would have just gotten you the link. Calling into question the validity of Memento's summary when it would take you less than a minute to verify it yourself earned you the pointed comment. "I know I tend to miss a fair bit of the news, but that's definitely something I should have heard about in the media" You definitely would have heard about it if you took a minute to type "Canadian world junior rape case" and click on the first link on google.

You're right, I have a tendency to ask where people see/hear things rather than looking them up myself. Frequently alot of the talking points on the forum relate to news, circulated articles behind paywalls or interviews that I don't get because I live in northwestern Canada - most of that isn't something that can be googled.

I think you're reading some tone that wasn't there in my request for what his sourcing is, and probing for more details - I don't see any attack on the validity of the summary when I look at my response. Unless you're reading what I intended as colloquial with the use of exactly as being cynically dismissive?

Your responses have me trying to understand why you're immediately condescending here. I know several other posters on the forum get into some rather heated back and forths, leading to some frequent escalation - do I come across that way in my responses in general? If so, I'll put additional effort into editing my posts. Otherwise, I'd ask you to ease the condescending back a notch with general responses from generally unprovoactive posters - it undermines the valid points you make when you start to insert ascerbic and dismissive remarks as your go to, relative to the insightful and eloquent posts you've made previously.

 

[stl76]

Berube was on the TNT broadcast tonight as an analyst. Weird seeing him in glasses behind a desk haha

 

[Memento]

You're right, I have a tendency to ask where people see/hear things rather than looking them up myself. Frequently alot of the talking points on the forum relate to news, circulated articles behind paywalls or interviews that I don't get because I live in northwestern Canada - most of that isn't something that can be googled.

I think you're reading some tone that wasn't there in my request for what his sourcing is, and probing for more details - I don't see any attack on the validity of the summary when I look at my response. Unless you're reading what I intended as colloquial with the use of exactly as being cynically dismissive?

Your responses have me trying to understand why you're immediately condescending here. I know several other posters on the forum get into some rather heated back and forths, leading to some frequent escalation - do I come across that way in my responses in general? If so, I'll put additional effort into editing my posts. Otherwise, I'd ask you to ease the condescending back a notch with general responses from generally unprovoactive posters - it undermines the valid points you make when you start to insert ascerbic and dismissive remarks as your go to, relative to the insightful and eloquent posts you've made previously.

Apologies for not immediately posting the link. I was just talking about how bad it was based on info I saw from that article (yeah, I've read multiple articles on this before posting about it because the last thing I want to do is give out information that I haven't vetted myself), but I should've probably posted a link instead of getting straight into the details. Again, my bad.

As for the bolded? I'm a woman (as the sentence saying "Future Authoress" underneath my username and avatar says). Just clarifying that as well.

 

[Majorityof1]

You're right, I have a tendency to ask where people see/hear things rather than looking them up myself. Frequently alot of the talking points on the forum relate to news, circulated articles behind paywalls or interviews that I don't get because I live in northwestern Canada - most of that isn't something that can be googled.

I think you're reading some tone that wasn't there in my request for what his sourcing is, and probing for more details - I don't see any attack on the validity of the summary when I look at my response. Unless you're reading what I intended as colloquial with the use of exactly as being cynically dismissive?

Your responses have me trying to understand why you're immediately condescending here. I know several other posters on the forum get into some rather heated back and forths, leading to some frequent escalation - do I come across that way in my responses in general? If so, I'll put additional effort into editing my posts. Otherwise, I'd ask you to ease the condescending back a notch with general responses from generally unprovoactive posters - it undermines the valid points you make when you start to insert ascerbic and dismissive remarks as your go to, relative to the insightful and eloquent posts you've made previously.

Honestly, and I mean no disrespect here, I don't know how you usually come off. You're not a poster I readily recognize. So I can't tell you how your posts usually come off. I only know how that one came off. It was disrespectful to a poster I do recognize and respect.

Can you see the difference between "Hey, I hadn't heard about that, can you point me in the direction to read more about it" vs "I definitely would have read that in the media, where exactly did you hear that (emphasis added by me)"? Its dripping with disbelief. You might as well have said "I think you are lying, prove you aren't. Maybe you didn't mean it like that. But its not like I went off on you. I basically said "here's the link, if you bothered to read anything about it, you could have found it in a minute". Which, while maybe not the nicest thing, at least has the benefit of being true.

 

[Brockon]

Honestly, and I mean no disrespect here, I don't know how you usually come off. You're not a poster I readily recognize. So I can't tell you how your posts usually come off. I only know how that one came off. It was disrespectful to a poster I do recognize and respect.

Can you see the difference between "Hey, I hadn't heard about that, can you point me in the direction to read more about it" vs "I definitely would have read that in the media, where exactly did you hear that (emphasis added by me)"? Its dripping with disbelief. You might as well have said "I think you are lying, prove you aren't. Maybe you didn't mean it like that. But its not like I went off on you. I basically said "here's the link, if you bothered to read anything about it, you could have found it in a minute". Which, while maybe not the nicest thing, at least has the benefit of being true.

I'll get to work on that editing process. Very valid point, thank you.

I've been around on the board for a bit (6+ years now), definitely taken a step back over the past 3 years due to health problems (mental and physical), an erratic work schedule and some pretty major commitments outside of that volunteering and returning to finish the degree I started 14 years ago. Can't say I bring poster recognition, because I doubt I've made 100 posts over the past 2 years - but I do my best to read through the pinned threads and try to keep up on what's going on around my favourite team.

Most of my posts tend to be related to trade discussions, fantasy related insights and prospect development/draft discussions as these areas tend to draw my interest. Not a whole lot of discussion about the X's and Y's because I never played hockey beyond gym class and I'm pretty far removed from the St Louis region, I try to watch as many games as I can - but typically only get to watch 20-40 a season with schedule conflicts and/or lack of viewing opportunities working shift work in camp or on industrial sites around the province for mill maintenance shutdowns.

 

[Brockon]

Apologies for not immediately posting the link. I was just talking about how bad it was based on info I saw from that article (yeah, I've read multiple articles on this before posting about it because the last thing I want to do is give out information that I haven't vetted myself), but I should've probably posted a link instead of getting straight into the details. Again, my bad.

As for the bolded? I'm a woman (as the sentence saying "Future Authoress" underneath my username and avatar says). Just clarifying that as well.

Oooof... Bad night for details for me. I'll add reading user descriptions to the things I need to do better *face-palm*

 

[Xerloris]

So Thomas isn't going to be in the skills competition. Only 12 players are going to be in it. Thanks for giving me literally no reason to watch it.

 

[STL fan in MN]

So Thomas isn't going to be in the skills competition. Only 12 players are going to be in it. Thanks for giving me literally no reason to watch it.

I just read they’re doing a draft? How long have they been doing that? I thought it was just teams from the 4 divisions.*

*it may be obvious but I have not paid attention to the all-star game in many years…

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

I just read they’re doing a draft? How long have they been doing that? I thought it was just teams from the 4 divisions.*

*it may be obvious but I have not paid attention to the all-star game in many years…

You don’t remember Phil Kessel being the last guy taken? It was pretty amusing.

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

How is Ottawa so bad? They have so many nice pieces.

I’m not all all surprised to see Edmonton go in that run. I said I expected them to be a playoff team all along. Would be nice to see them eliminate Vegas. This may be a good year for Canadian postseason chances with Vancouver and Winnipeg too. Not so much in the Eastern conference.

 

[Brockon]

How is Ottawa so bad? They have so many nice pieces.

I’m not all all surprised to see Edmonton go in that run. I said I expected them to be a playoff team all along. Would be nice to see them eliminate Vegas. This may be a good year for Canadian postseason chances with Vancouver and Winnipeg too. Not so much in the Eastern conference.

I've watched a lot of the Canucks this year (same timezone and my dad is a huge fan) - they look really solid and I think they're a fairly safe bet to be in the WCF this season. Strong top 6 and decent bottom 6 playing cohesively most nights, strong in the net.

Only glaring weakness is their 2D pairing doesn't look particularly strong - I'd think GM Alvin would probably target an upgrade here over Soucy, Myers and Zadorov rotating cast. Not bad, but certainly not great either - both Zadorov and Myers are pending UFAs so in theory they could be be shipped out in a deal strengthening that 2nd pairing relatively easily in a Parayko, Slavin type deal (2 names that have been frequently bandied by media pundits as being rumoured to get moved).

 

[joe galiba]

How is Ottawa so bad? They have so many nice pieces.

I’m not all all surprised to see Edmonton go in that run. I said I expected them to be a playoff team all along. Would be nice to see them eliminate Vegas. This may be a good year for Canadian postseason chances with Vancouver and Winnipeg too. Not so much in the Eastern conference.

Buffalo too!

 

[Frenzy31]

How is Ottawa so bad? They have so many nice pieces.

I’m not all all surprised to see Edmonton go in that run. I said I expected them to be a playoff team all along. Would be nice to see them eliminate Vegas. This may be a good year for Canadian postseason chances with Vancouver and Winnipeg too. Not so much in the Eastern conference.

Take a real look at their roster. Lots of youth, but there are only 2 vets who have been with year in, year out winning teams - Tarasenko and Giroux. Winning is something you have to learn. That is a team that should go after a player like Buch -. They are also the 5 most penalized team.

Buffalo - also. I look at that roster and I don't see anyone outside of maybe Greenway and EJ who has played in playoff hockey - year in year out.

They just don't know have to elevate their game at the right moments to take away or build on momentum and close out games on a night in/night out basis.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Take a real look at their roster. Lots of youth, but there are only 2 vets who have been with year in, year out winning teams - Tarasenko and Giroux. Winning is something you have to learn. That is a team that should go after a player like Buch -. They are also the 5 most penalized team.

Buffalo - also. I look at that roster and I don't see anyone outside of maybe Greenway and EJ who has played in playoff hockey - year in year out.

They just don't know have to elevate their game at the right moments to take away or build on momentum and close out games on a night in/night out basis.

They need saad or krug to teach them.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

I just read they’re doing a draft? How long have they been doing that? I thought it was just teams from the 4 divisions.*

*it may be obvious but I have not paid attention to the all-star game in many years…

how are we supposed to take any if this seriously when there are only 4 defensemen among the 4 teams? i don't know what it is, but it ain't hockey.

 

[Davimir Tarablad]

how are we supposed to take any if this seriously when there are only 4 defensemen among the 4 teams? i don't know what it is, but it ain't hockey.

Would have been a good laugh if someone drafted all 4 D

 

[Linkens Mastery]

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

It amazes me that an actual nhl team is giving up a 1st rd pick for monahan at this stage of his career. that always seemed like extreme wishful thinking by candians' fans...

 

[stl76]

Center market is thin this year…worked out well for the habs