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The thing with Dunn is that everyone knew he had the potential to be a lot better. There was a very real question though on whether he'd get there, given his play his last 2 seasons here. Yeah, he might progress to be a top-2 guy ... and, he might also be a weak 4 whose offense increases but his defense remains equally shitty, so are we gaining anything net? The only "plus" there is that it would have been at a cheaper price tag than Krug, but there was no way Krug was getting exposed 1 year into a 7-year contract.

Protecting Dunn instead of Krug? Seattle picked on the cheap; they're not taking Dunn, Barbashev likely gets picked instead. Now we've got Faulk, Parayko, Krug, Dunn, Bortuzzo, Mikkola and Scandella on defense - better, we're hoping Dunn gets his shit together, Walman is expendable and never sees the NHL at all in '21-22, Perunovich is probably expendable as well, we probably aren't trading for Leddy at all - but Barbashev doesn't put up 26-34-60 here and who knows how that trickles down the forward corps [it's probably a revolving cast of Nathan Walker, Logan Brown, Klim Koston, Dakota Joshua and James Neal getting more playing time and accumulating another 4-5-9 in the process in total]. And then it's open speculation on how last year goes and how moves get made as a result and where that puts us now.
Yup, 100% agree with that. There's surely a significant difference in who would be in the system currently (ie Dean, probably Stenberg and Lindstein), though tangentially I think the fall from grace by this team might have happened sooner. It's tough to say since it's arguable who's a better defender between Dunn and Krug. In regards to the expansion draft, I wouldn't say people were necessarily happy Dunn was selected by Seattle, but by and large I don't think there was THIS big of an outcry at the time of the expansion draft.
 
Chuckle. Thought the same last night when I read the blurb re Hart. So we can now surmise 3 of the 5 names...
2 more players announcing leave of absences. Not speculating, just reposting relevant news…

 
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5 players from 2018 Canada WJC team asked to surrender. 5 players from said team granted a leave of abscence. Carter Hart, Dillom Dube, Cal Foote, Micael McLeod and Alex Formenton from his Swiss team. Not saying they are related but ... RobThom and Kyrou are safe if you had any concerns (I did not).
 
5 players from 2018 Canada WJC team asked to surrender. 5 players from said team granted a leave of abscence. Carter Hart, Dillom Dube, Cal Foote, Micael McLeod and Alex Formenton from his Swiss team. Not saying they are related but ... RobThom and Kyrou are safe if you had any concerns (I did not).
Never had any concerns. Neither of them seem like the type of person to do something like that.
 
5 players from 2018 Canada WJC team asked to surrender. 5 players from said team granted a leave of abscence. Carter Hart, Dillom Dube, Cal Foote, Micael McLeod and Alex Formenton from his Swiss team. Not saying they are related but ... RobThom and Kyrou are safe if you had any concerns (I did not).
I can’t imagine having two guys from your NHL team involved with this. I’m grateful Kyrou and Thomas have not requested leaves of absence.

This situation has been a big messy tragedy. Hopefully the legal proceedings are timely and accurate.
 
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If you didn't see the hissy fits being thrown by Blues fans over letting Perron go, you weren't paying attention. It was a ridiculous overreaction by a significant portion of the fan base. Perron being on the Blues the last two seasons changes little to nothing about our trajectory.

If you want to pat yourself on the back for being right about one side of a hypothetical when we don't get to see the result of the alternate option, I'm happy for you. Gold star. Perron signs, we're still where we sit today.

From my and I assume many others perspective. Keeping Perron would have had nothing to do with giving a shit about the teams trajectory and everything to do with us just wanting Perron to be here because we love him.
It makes you wonder.. I don't want to speculate, but it's hard not to maybe connect those dots.

What dots? I feel left out on some inside joke.
 
From my and I assume many others perspective. Keeping Perron would have had nothing to do with giving a shit about the teams trajectory and everything to do with us just wanting Perron to be here because we love him.


What dots? I feel left out on some inside joke.
5 guys were anonymously announced as being sought for surrender to the police. 5 players requested indefinite leaves of absence from their teams (one was on Europe) who were members of that Canadian junior team. No one has identified the 5 suspects yet, but its pretty obvious that was not a coincidence.
 
5 players from 2018 Canada WJC team asked to surrender. 5 players from said team granted a leave of abscence. Carter Hart, Dillom Dube, Cal Foote, Micael McLeod and Alex Formenton from his Swiss team. Not saying they are related but ... RobThom and Kyrou are safe if you had any concerns (I did not).

So, despite not being part of the initial 5 players requesting indefinite leaves of absence - there's potential that any criminal proceedings could further implicate others during testimony as witnesses, whom are deemed accomplices by the virtue of their inaction, no?

If the comment about Kyrou not being present in the town another poster made is accurate, that's definitely a pass legally.

I don't believe Thomas is the kind of person to be involved in a sexual assault, but I don't know him personally and a whole lot of decent people have been drawn into things because of group think...

Post game, there was a blurb mentioning a police statement with further details is planned for Feb 5th - really curious about what gets disclosed in this and if that's after the period given to voluntarily surrender for the accused, all the details have been pretty hush hush with a shit ton of rumour and speculation flying around.
 
So, despite not being part of the initial 5 players requesting indefinite leaves of absence - there's potential that any criminal proceedings could further implicate others during testimony as witnesses, whom are deemed accomplices by the virtue of their inaction, no?

If the comment about Kyrou not being present in the town another poster made is accurate, that's definitely a pass legally.

I don't believe Thomas is the kind of person to be involved in a sexual assault, but I don't know him personally and a whole lot of decent people have been drawn into things because of group think...

Post game, there was a blurb mentioning a police statement with further details is planned for Feb 5th - really curious about what gets disclosed in this and if that's after the period given to voluntarily surrender for the accused, all the details have been pretty hush hush with a shit ton of rumour and speculation flying around.
From what has been reported, there appear to be a few additional guys beyond the 5 who may have been present. It’s unclear what they may have done while this horrendous assault occurred. They may still be charged for whatever role they may have played.

Kyrou has said he was not in London on day of assault. Thomas has said that he did not participate or witness it. If they are being truthful, and I have no reason to doubt them, they should be in the clear unless there is more related criminal activity that we don’t yet know.
 
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From what has been reported, there appear to be a few additional guys beyond the 5 who may have been present. It’s unclear what they may have done while this horrendous assault occurred. They may still be charged for whatever role they may have played.

Kyrou has said he was not in London on day of assault. Thomas has said that he did not participate or witness it. If they are being truthful, and I have no reason to doubt them, they should be in the clear unless there is more related criminal activity that we don’t yet know.
I believe I read Kyrou, 1 or 2 other guys, and all the NCAA guys weren’t there.
 
From what has been reported, there appear to be a few additional guys beyond the 5 who may have been present. It’s unclear what they may have done while this horrendous assault occurred. They may still be charged for whatever role they may have played.

Kyrou has said he was not in London on day of assault. Thomas has said that he did not participate or witness it. If they are being truthful, and I have no reason to doubt them, they should be in the clear unless there is more related criminal activity that we don’t yet know.
Iirc, neither Kyrou nor Thomas attended the event this occurred after and have been not suspected of it.
 
Iirc, neither Kyrou nor Thomas attended the event this occurred after and have been not suspected of it.
My recollection is that Thomas was reported to have attended the golf event that day, but Kyrou was not there at all. obviously there is nothing sketchy with having played golf and there has been nothing reported that had linked Thomas to any wrongdoing.
 
My recollection is that Thomas was reported to have attended the golf event that day, but Kyrou was not there at all. obviously there is nothing sketchy with having played golf and there has been nothing reported that had linked Thomas to any wrongdoing.
Thomas was at the gala/golf outing. Whether he was involved with the incident at the hotel…there hasn’t been a remote amount of smoke surrounding Thomas.

I’ll note the incident happened in London and Thomas played for the London Knights at the time. There’s perhaps two things you could guess from that. 1. Who better than Thomas to lead the group that went out to the bars where the girl involved was first met? Or 2. most of the guys would’ve been staying at a hotel but it’d make sense if Thomas just stayed with his normal billet family so good chance he wasn’t even with the group of guys from the hotel that went to the bars that night. My guess is it’s much more likely the 2nd one.
 
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Thomas was at the gala/golf outing. Whether he was involved with the incident at the hotel…there hasn’t been a remote amount of smoke surrounding Thomas.

I’ll note the incident happened in London and Thomas played for the London Knights at the time. There’s perhaps two things you could guess from that. 1. Who better than Thomas to lead the group that went out to the bars where the girl involved was first met? Or 2. most of the guys would’ve been staying at a hotel but it’d make sense if Thomas just stayed with his normal billet family so good chance he wasn’t even with the group of guys from the hotel that went to the bars that night. My guess is it’s much more likely the 2nd one.
Good point. FWIW, Thomas wasn’t the only London player on that team. Media reports make it sound like the other London guy (formenton) was perhaps in the 1st category.
 
Army is so connected to Hockey Canada. He knows as much as anyone and he signed Thomas and Kyrou to those big deals. I feel confident that they aren’t involved.
Hockey Canada has said all players on the 2018 WJC team are ineligible to play for Canada pending the resolution of the investigation. That includes Thomas and Kyrou.


Does that mean Armstrong knows Thomas and Kyrou aren't involved? Not necessarily, especially given the dysfunction in HC re: reporting of events and communication of such to important stakeholders in the organization. [I would be shocked if he hasn't talked to both of them to make sure he's comfortable with their (lack of) role in the incident.] Does that mean Thomas and Kyrou may have been involved? No, of course not. I don't have time to go back and see who made what claims about not being there [maybe someone else can do that / has done that], but it would not be surprising if someone said look, I wasn't involved and it was a CMA attempt.

I don't know. I'm not going to make guesses. I'm going to sit back, see how things play out, and evaluate from there. That's all everyone should do.
 
Hockey Canada has said all players on the 2018 WJC team are ineligible to play for Canada pending the resolution of the investigation. That includes Thomas and Kyrou.


Does that mean Armstrong knows Thomas and Kyrou aren't involved? Not necessarily, especially given the dysfunction in HC re: reporting of events and communication of such to important stakeholders in the organization. [I would be shocked if he hasn't talked to both of them to make sure he's comfortable with their (lack of) role in the incident.] Does that mean Thomas and Kyrou may have been involved? No, of course not. I don't have time to go back and see who made what claims about not being there [maybe someone else can do that / has done that], but it would not be surprising if someone said look, I wasn't involved and it was a CMA attempt.

I don't know. I'm not going to make guesses. I'm going to sit back, see how things play out, and evaluate from there. That's all everyone should do.
Kyrou has explicitly denied being anywhere near the incident location. IIRC he was away with his family for a prior commitment. Thomas has denied being anywhere near the room. I remember reading reports about several players (Thomas included) who did not join the dinner party/carousing earlier post golf outing. I DO NOT HAVE LINKS this is just what I remember reading online the past few years.
 
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