Around the NHL 2022-2023 *Mod warning in effect pg145

[Brian39]

If Pietrangelo wins another Cup it’s tough to say anything other than he made the right choice to leave. But would he have HOF credentials after leading the defense of two championship clubs, especially with another strong Conn Smythe-like run?

He is playing great and I think you could argue that he has been the most important member of their team in the playoffs. He's playing just over 4 minutes a night more than anyone else on the team and getting great results. But he's not going to win a Conn Smythe by munching minutes and being "only" 8th on his team in scoring. I agree with @Thallis that he would need an award to go with two Cups for two teams to merit HOF consideration.

With that said, if they get to the Final I bet we will see a stat about the short list of skaters who have been the ice-time leader for two Cup winners with different organizations. If that is a 1 or 2 man list and Vegas wins the Cup, then maybe that gains enough traction to trigger the 'HOF or not' articles. I doubt it though.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Coyotes arena vote fails. Looks like time in desert may be about up.

 

[STL fan in MN]

Coyotes arena vote fails. Looks like time in desert may be about up.

Ouch.



Watch. Instead of moving the team to a city that already has a viable building, they’ll just pick a new spot in a different suburb and try again.

 

[STL fan in MN]

Jesus. The future of their franchise hangs in the balance and they get outspent 8 to 1 on the campaign.

This entire situation is just flat out embarrassing.

 

[TheDizee]

move them to houston or kc already

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Jesus. The future of their franchise hangs in the balance and they get outspent 8 to 1 on the campaign.

This entire situation is just flat out embarrassing.

The entire organization is. From building arena 20 years ago in crappy suburb on wrong side of town to leaving that arena for college rink to this. We have groups lining up to pay nearly billion dollars for team in ottawa. There has to be someone who will buy coyotes and move them to city with decent building.

 

[BlueDream]

I like the Phoenix area and love the Yotes’ Kachina unis, but I think most people are beyond tired of this whole ordeal.

Moving them is the right decision. I want it to be Quebec City or Sask but I’m guessing it’ll be in the US.

 

[mk80]

Damn, I really feel for the Coyotes fans. And I have had a few good trips planned around Yotes games vs the Blues, etc. But maybe it's time the NHL moves on.

 

[The Note]

I’m not going to dance on the Coyotes grave because there are people there that care about the team and it’s not their fault ownership/management has been such a fiasco. Having said that, this sure seems like it’s curtains on the whole Phoenix/suburb project. It would be at least a little funny if they relocated from Phoenix to Atlanta, the market that’s famously hockey mad.

 

[jjniner]

Whomever gets this franchise is in really, really good shape for the future!

 

[Bluesfan54]

There’s almost zero chance the Coyotes will move to any city in the east since that would mean 17 teams in the east and only 15 in the west. That ain’t gonna happen. No team currently in the east would willingly move to the west due to the increased travel time plus too many games starting too late for their fans to watch. Kansas City has NO interest so that pretty much leaves Houston or possibly Salt Lake City.

 

[AjaxManifesto]

KC has a downtown stadium already available.

T-Mobile Center

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[Reality Czech]

Jesus. The future of their franchise hangs in the balance and they get outspent 8 to 1 on the campaign.

This entire situation is just flat out embarrassing.

I don't know if I agree with the logic that spending more money = more votes. If the people don't want to pay for an arena, then we should respect their decision. They're the ones who would actually be affected by this.

 

[STL fan in MN]

There’s almost zero chance the Coyotes will move to any city in the east since that would mean 17 teams in the east and only 15 in the west. That ain’t gonna happen. No team currently in the east would willingly move to the west due to the increased travel time plus too many games starting too late for their fans to watch. Kansas City has NO interest so that pretty much leaves Houston or possibly Salt Lake City.

Agreed. Can’t be Eastern time zone.

Thinking out loud here but here’s what I think the NHL needs to be able to move the Coyotes:

1. A city that the NHL considers viable long term to support an NHL franchise

2. A city with an arena, designed with viewing hockey in mind. (ie. American Airlines Center in Phoenix was designed specifically for basketball. I’d assume some of the other NBA arenas would be the same)

3. A city in either the Central, Mountain or Pacific time zones.

4. A super rich guy that’s interested in owning an NHL franchise in a city that meets the above 3 stipulations.

Does this situation even exist??

The 3 cities that pop into mind for me are Houston, San Antonio and Portland.

I would assume Houston and San Antonio would have arenas that would be deemed suitable for NHL hockey since they both used to have AHL franchises in those 2 buildings. Not sure if the NHL considers San Antonio viable though. But is there a rich guy in either city that would want to own an NHL team??

I don’t know anything about the arena the Trail Blazers play in but if it would be good for hockey, that’d be a good option IMO. But again, need a rich guy that’d want a team there.

 

[Xanadude]

Sucks to be a Coyotes fan. I've always had a soft spot for them...what can I say, the Kachina and their goal horn won me over years ago...but this is beyond due.

I'm betting Houston gets them because of their arena and rich owner situation, but I'd love to see a team in KC, that'd be a blast. KC has the arena but I'm not sure if they have an ownership group ready to take them over.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Agreed. Can’t be Eastern time zone.

Thinking out loud here but here’s what I think the NHL needs to be able to move the Coyotes:

1. A city that the NHL considers viable long term to support an NHL franchise

2. A city with an arena, designed with viewing hockey in mind. (ie. American Airlines Center in Phoenix was designed specifically for basketball. I’d assume some of the other NBA arenas would be the same)

3. A city in either the Central, Mountain or Pacific time zones.

4. A super rich guy that’s interested in owning an NHL franchise in a city that meets the above 3 stipulations.

Does this situation even exist??

The 3 cities that pop into mind for me are Houston, San Antonio and Portland.

I would assume Houston and San Antonio would have arenas that would be deemed suitable for NHL hockey since they both used to have AHL franchises in those 2 buildings. Not sure if the NHL considers San Antonio viable though. But is there a rich guy in either city that would want to own an NHL team??

I don’t know anything about the arena the Trail Blazers play in but if it would be good for hockey, that’d be a good option IMO. But again, need a rich guy that’d want a team there.

I don’t see SA as viable market. already have spurs and knowing market as I do, doesn’t seem like would be deep base of support for nhl. Austin woukd actually make a lot of sense for nhl team, but not sure they have arena.

Houston I think would work if rockets owner buys team since he controls arena. Toyota center is actually really similar to Glendale arena but it is located in downtown Houston so that isn’t an issue.

jazz owner has expressed interest in bringing team to salt lake. That would be interesting market too.

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

Ouch.



Watch. Instead of moving the team to a city that already has a viable building, they’ll just pick a new spot in a different suburb and try again.

My understanding was there was a backup plan on Native land. Maybe that was a false PR appearance of a backup rather than realistic. I think most close observers rather expected the arena to go through.

Pretty crazy situation.

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

I don’t see SA as viable market. already have spurs and knowing market as I do, doesn’t seem like would be deep base of support for nhl. Austin woukd actually make a lot of sense for nhl team, but not sure they have arena.

Houston I think would work if rockets owner buys team since he controls arena. Toyota center is actually really similar to Glendale arena but it is located in downtown Houston so that isn’t an issue.

jazz owner has expressed interest in bringing team to salt lake. That would be interesting market too.

I agree, San Antonio is not realistic.

I think it’s Houston, then everyone else. I’d prefer a smaller community with more intense fan support like SLC or Quebec City, but I don’t see it.

 

[STL fan in MN]

I don’t see SA as viable market. already have spurs and knowing market as I do, doesn’t seem like would be deep base of support for nhl. Austin woukd actually make a lot of sense for nhl team, but not sure they have arena.

Houston I think would work if rockets owner buys team since he controls arena. Toyota center is actually really similar to Glendale arena but it is located in downtown Houston so that isn’t an issue.

jazz owner has expressed interest in bringing team to salt lake. That would be interesting market too.

I know next to nothing about San Antonio so I’ll take your word for it.

The main stumbling block IMO is going to be finding a guy that’d want to buy the Coyotes and move them to one of these cities. If SLC already has that guy, perhaps that gives them a leg up.

Why would Austin be better though? What makes them more viable than SA?

 

[STL fan in MN]

I don't know if I agree with the logic that spending more money = more votes. If the people don't want to pay for an arena, then we should respect their decision. They're the ones who would actually be affected by this.

The people wouldn’t have paid for the arena though. It was one of the best arena deals for residents I’ve ever seen.

Not sure what to say if you don’t think a highly funded advertising campaign can’t be effective. We humans hate to admit it but we’re pretty susceptible to marketing and advertising.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

I know next to nothing about San Antonio so I’ll take your word for it.

The main stumbling block IMO is going to be finding a guy that’d want to buy the Coyotes and move them to one of these cities. If SLC already has that guy, perhaps that gives them a leg up.

Why would Austin be better though? What makes them more viable than SA?

Austin is growing faster than SA, is wealthier than SA, has more white collar workforce, more transplants from other US large cities (as opposed to transplants from Mexico or Rio Grande Valley), and doesn't have NBA team it would have to compete with.

 

[Kylester]

Austin is growing faster than SA, is wealthier than SA, has more white collar workforce, more transplants from other US large cities (as opposed to transplants from Mexico or Rio Grande Valley), and doesn't have NBA team it would have to compete with.

Yes but, as has been said before, no arena (at least not that I'm aware of). The only competition would be Austin FC in MLS. Different sport and different league but competition just the same.

I agree Houston is the front runner in this, but Salt Lake could actually work. The only hiccup there would be the team would be in the Mountain Time Zone and the Central Division. Of course, that hasn't presented any problems for Colorado, so...

 

[Kylester]

Check out the article from SportsNet. I hadn't even thought about Tulsa or OKC. Maybe let OKC have basketball and let Tulsa have hockey:
Possible new cities for the Coyotes

 

[Bluesnatic27]

I can't see any sport surviving in Tulsa quite honestly, and that goes double for a hockey team.

 

[mk80]

Check out the article from SportsNet. I hadn't even thought about Tulsa or OKC. Maybe let OKC have basketball and let Tulsa have hockey:
Possible new cities for the Coyotes

I hadn't realized the Sacramento Kings owner was involved in a pursuit of the Senators either. My guess is the NHL's preference is to keep the Coyotes in the Central Division first and foremost, so Houston, SLC, KC, OKC/Tulsa are probably in that order. I would also wonder about Milwaukee too and how the Bucks ownership would feel about bringing the NHL to their newish building. But at worst moving to Sacramento and chucking an extra team into the Pacific Division or swapping the Golden Knights maybe, wouldn't be the worst solution ever.

Edit:
Apparently this tweet is circulating around as being from Clayton Keller's dad, I'm skeptical about the truth of that.