Around the NHL – Part XL - Mod post page 249

[UAGoalieGuy]

Wait, this is really happening, two more teams? Seems overkill.

It's not set in stone and if it does happen it's likely years down the road but it's been brought up a few times over the past year.

 

[Machinehead]

I'm kind of curious what business someone has being an NHL coach without being an Xes and Oes guy. Like what are you then a cheerleader?

Yes.

Sorry for another hot take but hockey is just not a tactical sport. It's too fast.

What the f*** is a "system" anyway? There are extreme examples like Torts and Trotz but most teams run the same playbook - three forwards, two defensemen, go forward with the quickness, go where your teammates can pass to you, try to break up those lanes if you don't have the puck, throw the puck, chase the puck, royal road, rinse repeat.

There are subtle differences, of course, but people treat it like playing a 4-2-3-1 versus playing a 3-4-3. It is not that.

And before somebody says "well Gallant sucks because we don't do [basic hockey thing]" if that's true, then that's not his system, he's just an idiot.

A hockey team not doing puck support is like a baseball team not having a bullpen, or a football team just full-blown not running. It isn't a tactic, it's something you do because that's how the sport works.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Timo pots one. Shocker.

Every new player has scored for their new team, Barbashev has one tonight already too. And hey Tarasenko scored like a minute into his first game with us.

 

[Daves a mess]

Every new player has scored for their new team, Barbashev has one tonight already too. And hey Tarasenko scored like a minute into his first game with us.

I don't understand what this has to do with what I posted. Are you suggesting that I am implying something that I'm not?

Oh and not everrrry player haha.

 

[Daves a mess]

That's what happens when you trade for players and not names.

Timo is the perfect aquisition for this team.

Hope their goaltending collapses like Kravstov when he gets bumped into.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

How did we lose to Detroit . They’re awful

 

[egelband]

Yes.

Sorry for another hot take but hockey is just not a tactical sport. It's too fast.

What the f*** is a "system" anyway? There are extreme examples like Torts and Trotz but most teams run the same playbook - three forwards, two defensemen, go forward with the quickness, go where your teammates can pass to you, try to break up those lanes if you don't have the puck, throw the puck, chase the puck, royal road, rinse repeat.

There are subtle differences, of course, but people treat it like playing a 4-2-3-1 versus playing a 3-4-3. It is not that.

And before somebody says "well Gallant sucks because we don't do [basic hockey thing]" if that's true, then that's not his system, he's just an idiot.

A hockey team not doing puck support is like a baseball team not having a bullpen, or a football team just full-blown not running. It isn't a tactic, it's something you do because that's how the sport works.

Totally agree.
When I see a post that has the words “Gallant’s system” or “Xs and Os guy”, i have trained myself to scroll past.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

That's what happens when you trade for players and not names.

That "player" scored 92 points last year and had 44 in 54 this year for a really bad team. Really don't understand the hate. It's already getting annoying and he has played 2 games.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I know the Devils are good but they sure are OT whores.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

I know the Devils are good but they sure are OT whores.

Lets see how they do when it's 5 on 5 in the playoffs instead of the 3 on 3.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Lets see how they do when it's 5 on 5 in the playoffs instead of the 3 on 3.

To be fair I'm a little gun shy about using that logic because we used that logic in 2012 when they won a ridiculous amount of games in the shootout.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

There are so many things that scream possible disappointment in playoffs for Devils. So many of them are having career years, goaltending better than expected, less space available in playoffs, young team with little playoff experience. So many on their jocks, I will laugh so hard if they don't get past the 1st round.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

To be fair I'm a little gun shy about using that logic because we used that logic in 2012 when they won a ridiculous amount of games in the shootout.

That has nothing to do with 2023. Speed and having space is their thing. We will see when things tighten up. I also hope they keep on winning and blow their wad.

 

[Kords]

Gonna be an interesting month for the Devils looking at their schedule. They play some nasty teams and some of which are fighting for wild card spots. TB 3 times in like a week is particularly interesting. Hope the Bolts decide to start playing hockey again by that point. Also saw the Caps, Isles, Sens, Panthers and Sabres in there. Should be good games against some desperate teams. End of the month the Rangers get another whack at them, here's hoping the stars align by then.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

That has nothing to do with 2023. Speed and having space is their thing. We will see when things tighten up. I also hope they keep on winning and blow their wad.

The point is that winning in ways that don't exist in the playoffs doesn't necessarily preclude you from playoff success.

 

[Boris Zubov]

The point is that winning in ways that don't exist in the playoffs doesn't necessarily preclude you from playoff success.

Maybe. But bringing up examples from a decade ago doesn't help you make your point. 3 on 3 OT is nothing like playoff OT. Does it mean the Devils won't be dangerous in an playoff OT game, of course not. But comparing the two is silly.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Maybe. But bringing up examples from a decade ago doesn't help you make your point. 3 on 3 OT is nothing like playoff OT. Does it mean the Devils won't be dangerous in an playoff OT game, of course not. But comparing the two is silly.

I never said otherwise but I fail to see what difference it makes when my example was from. It didn't even have to be the Devils in 2012, it could have been any team. The point still stands. And 3 on 3 is closer to 5 on 5 than the shootout. I really hope you're right and it makes a difference but I'm not sure it does.

 

[Jim Ramsay]

A lot of people around here need to come to terms with the Devils are a good team

We can sit here and say "they are OT" whores or whatever, but they are a very fast, opportunistic team

I dont think they are buiit to go all the way this year, but they are getting close

 

[HellOnIce]

That has nothing to do with 2023. Speed and having space is their thing. We will see when things tighten up. I also hope they keep on winning and blow their wad.

Yea - when teams win, it's really blowing their wad. By that measure, how's Boston gonna do?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Yea - when teams win, it's really blowing their wad. By that measure, how's Boston gonna do?

This is a fairer question than you think it is.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Yea - when teams win, it's really blowing their wad. By that measure, how's Boston gonna do?

Boston is a much more experienced team that will be able to handle playoff hockey better. It is a thing to peak too soon. I would rather my team be playing really well down the stretch.

 

[ThirdEye]

Devis are very much in the same mold as the Canes. They are dangerous but they might run into the same issue the Canes did last season - exhaustion from always going at 110%. The ice will shrink and players are much more physical in the playoffs, so you can't really keep up that style of play for too long before fatigue sets in and the other team capitalizes on it.

With that said, if Igor doesn't get back to form we're not getting past round 1 no matter who we play. His lack of confidence is going to deflate the entire team and it'll be over before we know it

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Devis are very much in the same mold as the Canes. They are dangerous but they might run into the same issue the Canes did last season - exhaustion from always going at 110%. The ice will shrink and players are much more physical in the playoffs, so you can't really keep up that style of play for too long before fatigue sets in and the other team capitalizes on it.

With that said, Igor doesn't get back to form we're not getting past round 1 no matter who we play. His lack of confidence is going to deflate the entire team and it'll be over before we know it

They aren't anything like the Canes.

Canes are shoot, retrieve, shoot, retrieve, shoot, retrieve... and more of the same.

Devils are much more rush oriented in their attack. They'll prioritize getting the high danger chance instead of just spamming a bunch of junk at the net and hoping something slips through.

Exhaustion very well may play into things for Carolina as its tough to make it through a season+4 rounds with that style (On top of not really being able to throw pucks into the net with out anything other than sheer force of will.) The lack of shooting talent will continue to be their downfall until they take care of it.

For NJ, their issues are going to arise when someone takes the rush away from them. Plus their D are terrified to get hit. Hamilton is notorious for bailing out of 50/50 races out of fear of getting blasted and Marino is even worse in that regard. If they were to some how draw the Islanders in round 1 they would either barely squeak by and be ripe to be smoked in round 2 or just lose outright.

 

[ThirdEye]

They aren't anything like the Canes.

Canes are shoot, retrieve, shoot, retrieve, shoot, retrieve... and more of the same.

Devils are much more rush oriented in their attack. They'll prioritize getting the high danger chance instead of just spamming a bunch of junk at the net and hoping something slips through.

Exhaustion very well may play into things for Carolina as its tough to make it through a season+4 rounds with that style (On top of not really being able to throw pucks into the net with out anything other than sheer force of will.) The lack of shooting talent will continue to be their downfall until they take care of it.

For NJ, their issues are going to arise when someone takes the rush away from them. Plus their D are terrified to get hit. Hamilton is notorious for bailing out of 50/50 races out of fear of getting blasted and Marino is even worse in that regard. If they were to some how draw the Islanders in round 1 they would either barely squeak by and be ripe to be smoked in round 2 or just lose outright.

You're right in that Carolina is definitely more quantity over quality than NJ. One thing that NJ has that Carolina doesn't is Hughes who can win games on his own whereas Carolina has a lot of really good "second-tier" players but lacking a de facto offense drive/ superstar. Both have a lot of depth and rely on speed more than any other one thing.

Anyway, it's going to be a crazy playoffs with I'm sure some surprises in store.

 

[duhmetreE]

A lot of people around here need to come to terms with the Devils are a good team

We can sit here and say "they are OT" whores or whatever, but they are a very fast, opportunistic team

I dont think they are buiit to go all the way this year, but they are getting close

They are Florida of last year

You want to argue they have better/young talent up front, fine.