Around the league part 2

[The Butcher]

Cry about LTIR all you want. It’s within the rules of the league, for better or worse.

Secondly, the VGK players had nothing but glowing praise and gratitude for their organization yesterday. So we can dispense with the “ruthless organization” pearl clutching myth.

The Kings would be far better off in the short and long term with Eichel at $10 million than Fiala at $8 million. That would be the exchange.

No crying here. I wish Blake and the gang had a few more aces up their sleeve.

I'm not saying they are running their org the wrong way by any means but asking the players the night of winning a Stanley Cup might not be the best sample size of opinion. I'd ask guys like Dadonov what they think of VGK brass.

 

[KINGS17]

For anyone saying it was impossible, first, if it was impossible why were the Kings looking into it?

Second, how would having a roster like this impossible?

Keep it realistic, QB wasn't going in the trade and if they trade for Eichel it means no Fiala. The likely trade would have been something Clarke, Iafallo and a 1st.

Kaliyev - Eichel - Vilardi
Byfield - Kopitar - Kempe
Moore- Danault - VA
??? - Kupari -??

Anderson - Doughty
Gavrikov - Faber
Bjornfot - Roy
Moverare

Copley + Veteran to split the net (Rantaa caliber)

The ???'s are spots that have to be filled by cheaper internal options like Fagemo, Turcotte, JAD. Can't justify having a $1.5m Lizotte and Durzi, and need to recoup some draft capital. Spence gets the shaft a bit, by being in the AHL (he'd play whenever there is an injury) but will be an NHL regular the season after next when Roy leaves as an UFA.

This is a cap compliant team, and it's a better team than our current team. How is it MMQB to discuss likely results from a move that a GM chose not to make and the ramifications that have come from it.

Tell Blake to a proper rebuild...it's impossible.

Tell Robitaille to knock it off with the just get in and anything can happen mentality...it's impossible.

Tell the Kings to stop with the old playing buddy nepotism in the organization, it's impossible.

To have Kings fans ever hope to have a team that can contend for the Stanley Cup...It's Just Impossible!

 

[Nasti]

Yeah guys.. Jonathan Quick doesn't look happy at all..

Apparently it was Bret Hart night in Vegas.

 

[Herby]

What did the Top scorers in the NHL do at age 20

McDavid - 105 pts in 82 game
Draisaitl - 51 pts in 77 games
Kucherov - 18 pts in 52 games
Pastranak - 70 pts in 75 games
MacKinnon - 52 pts in 72 games
Robertson - 1 pts in 3 games
Tkachuk - 49 pts in 68 games
Rantanen - 38 pts in 75 games
RNH - 56 pts in 80 games
Pettersson - 66 pts in 80 games
Karlsson - 45 pts in 70 games (d-man)
Hughes - 56 pts in 49 games
Marner - 69 pts in 82 games
Point - 48 pts in 68 games
Thompson - 9 pts in 41 games
Crosby - 72 pts in 53 games
Panarin - Russia
Zibanejed - 33 pts in 69 games
Stutzle - 90 points in 78 games
Nylander - 61 points in 80 games

A couple of guys who hadn't done much. But all of them other than Thompson and Panarin had at least a .5 PPG in their age 21 season. The argument that players 20 and younger aren't doing much in the NHL is a myth, and next year it magnifies more, Thompson is the ultimate outlier.

 

[Nasti]

Even the “Around the League” thread has turned into another “Byfield sucks” thread.

 

[SmytheKing]

Even the “Around the League” thread has turned into another “Byfield sucks” thread.

It's not about whether he "sucks" or is any good or will be amazing. It's about the fact that the Kings clearly aren't in a "win in five years" mode so he's a waste to have on the team. It's just another example of the organization not having a clear vision for this team. It's half-in half-out every other day and has been for a few years now.

The question to ask is whether the Kings would have been better with Eichel or Byfield on this team right now. That's it. Now that Eichel isn't an option, it's whether they'd be better with PLD or Byfield on this team. It doesn't matter what Byfield is in five years time because the Kings clearly aren't thinking that far ahead.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

No crying here. I wish Blake and the gang had a few more aces up their sleeve.

I'm not saying they are running their org the wrong way by any means but asking the players the night of winning a Stanley Cup might not be the best sample size of opinion. I'd ask guys like Dadonov what they think of VGK brass.

Then let’s ask Visnovsky what he thinks of the Kings.

 

[The Butcher]

Then let’s ask Visnovsky what he thinks of the Kings.

Well that was pretty cold blooded too imo.

Again, not really disputing your point just sayin.

 

[KINGS17]

Even the “Around the League” thread has turned into another “Byfield sucks” thread.

Where's the organ music?

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Well that was pretty cold blooded too imo.

Again, not really disputing your point just sayin.

I understand what you’re saying, too. I think it’s just ridiculous to finger wag VGK for being “ruthless” when every team in the league is run like this, and makes harsh decisions with personnel. It’s just the nature of the league, not something unique to VGK.

 

[The Butcher]

I understand what you’re saying, too. I think it’s just ridiculous to finger wag VGK for being “ruthless” when every team in the league is run like this, and makes harsh decisions with personnel. It’s just the nature of the league, not something unique to VGK.

They seem to be a little more cut throat than a lot of teams but I don't totally see it as a bad thing necessarily. They were obviously trying to win a Stanley Cup and mission accomplished.

Only time will tell if they are able to sustain this philosophy long term.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

They seem to be a little more cut throat than a lot of teams but I don't totally see it as a bad thing necessarily. They were obviously trying to win a Stanley Cup and mission accomplished.

Only time will tell if they are able to sustain this philosophy long term.

Likely not. But to be honest, they’ll probably crash and burn regardless, just like most Cup winners. They’ve mortgaged their future several times over at this point.

 

[The Butcher]

Even USA Today can't splurge on an editor

 

[kingsholygrail]

Has Quickie always had all that ink?

He's been adding to it over the years.

Even USA Today can't splurge on an editor
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A fractured sternum is definitely dangerous. It's no wonder he could not play at all.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Cry about LTIR all you want. It’s within the rules of the league, for better or worse.

Secondly, the VGK players had nothing but glowing praise and gratitude for their organization yesterday. So we can dispense with the “ruthless organization” pearl clutching myth.

The Kings would be far better off in the short and long term with Eichel at $10 million than Fiala at $8 million. That would be the exchange.

The Kings tried the LTIR trick with Gaborik in 2016, so I really don't care about it. However, Vegas simply doesn't have that roster if they don't do it.

I'm sure everyone on those Sharks teams that never won loved playing in SJ too, but it never stopped anyone from ripping them as a loser organization. Players love wherever they win, but people were still doing the Fleury stabbed in the back thing. Assuming there was bad blood because they brought in a mercenary like Pietrangelo, while having to dump off guys that had been there. All the stuff people do when teams don't won.

Vegas has Eichel, and Fiala though. Or the better version of Fiala.

 

[DryIslandBartender]

Even USA Today can't splurge on an editor
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What happened with the HS sweetheart story?

 

[YP44]

I understand what you’re saying, too. I think it’s just ridiculous to finger wag VGK for being “ruthless” when every team in the league is run like this, and makes harsh decisions with personnel. It’s just the nature of the league, not something unique to VGK.

I think it could be good the league that an aggressive team has won the cup. More aggressive teams and GMs the better entertainment value IMO

The Kings tried the LTIR trick with Gaborik in 2016, so I really don't care about it. However, Vegas simply doesn't have that roster if they don't do it.

I'm sure everyone on those Sharks teams that never won loved playing in SJ too, but it never stopped anyone from ripping them as a loser organization. Players love wherever they win, but people were still doing the Fleury stabbed in the back thing. Assuming there was bad blood because they brought in a mercenary like Pietrangelo, while having to dump off guys that had been there. All the stuff people do when teams don't won.

Vegas has Eichel, and Fiala though. Or the better version of Fiala.

The LTIR loophole pissed me off when Chicago did it. Unless the league does something it is hard to be critical of the teams now.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

The Kings tried the LTIR trick with Gaborik in 2016, so I really don't care about it. However, Vegas simply doesn't have that roster if they don't do it.

I'm sure everyone on those Sharks teams that never won loved playing in SJ too, but it never stopped anyone from ripping them as a loser organization. Players love wherever they win, but people were still doing the Fleury stabbed in the back thing. Assuming there was bad blood because they brought in a mercenary like Pietrangelo, while having to dump off guys that had been there. All the stuff people do when teams don't won.

Vegas has Eichel, and Fiala though. Or the better version of Fiala.

Almost as if winning is all that ultimately matters in sports.

 

[bouncesonly]

I hate Vegas. I hate that the NHL gave these new expansion teams a ridiculous advantage. But nothing but credit to the Golden Knights front office for being smart and super aggressive, while taking advantage of every loophole afforded to them. Yes the LTIR cap circumvention thing sucks, but that's on the league and until it's changed teams should take advantage of it.

What advantage is this? Assembling a team with a bunch of 2nd/3rd liners? A group of players that was universally panned upon selection by critics and EVERYONE here...(don't f***in' lie, no one here was high on Vegas's expansion draft selection before their season started).

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

What advantage is this? Assembling a team with a bunch of 2nd/3rd liners? A group of players that was universally panned upon selection by critics and EVERYONE here...(don't f***in' lie, no one here was high on Vegas's expansion draft selection before their season started).

Pretty sure he's talking about the Vegas playoff roster being $10+ million over the cap, i.e., Mark Stone being on LTIR until he was miraculously fine to start the playoffs. That sure helped to allow them to go out and get Barbashev, Blueger, and Quick.

 

[AbsentMojo]

Vegas has done a lot of things right all through transactions and within the rules. You cant chalk it up to anything but intelligence. They have one drafted player on the roster - Hague. Its very impressive what they have done in 6 years. To put it in perspective, a team should average a cup every 32 years. The Kings will be past due for their 3rd in 2063... and the way things are looking thats about when we can expect the next one.

 

[The Butcher]

What happened with the HS sweetheart story?

I think Abby suggested suicide as a possible solution.

He's been adding to it over the years.


A fractured sternum is definitely dangerous. It's no wonder he could not play at all.

Im just wondering who that was in the picture and what jersey he was wearing.

 

[King'sPawn]

I think Abby suggested suicide as a possible solution.


Im just wondering who that was in the picture and what jersey he was wearing.

Looks like Bedard wearing a CHL Top Prospects jersey

 

[tny760]

I think Abby suggested suicide as a possible solution.

abby keepin it real, i respect it

 

[kingsholygrail]

Also, fun thing to consider..,Islanders won the Stanley Cup 8 years after joining the NHL.
Lightning won the Cup 12 years after joining.
Oilers won the Cup 4 years after joining the NHL.