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Vegas were better than the Oilers this season. Oiler fans could not grasp that fact heading into their series.

Glad for the former Kings.

Cassidy goes from the Bruins to Cup. Crazy.

LA is stuck in a tough division.
 
Wow. They broke Tkachuks sternum. Wish we had players who were willing to ice rats like that.
 
Herby said:
In 2 decades posting on this board, I think the general attitude which was strongly against trading for Eichel was one of the most surprising things I can remember. He was exactly what this team needed in both the short and long term and so many people were against it.

He is a spectacular player that would have given the Kings the thing they need most to win another SC (someone better than 11 and 8) now and still been able to be a 1C for the life of his contract.

The Kings had (at the time) a deep and highly regarded prospect/u-23 player pool and a need for a 1C, instead the Kings hoard their youth, which takes a step down and Eichel is traded to a division rival and wins the Cup in his first full year there.
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If I was to go back to the Eichel to LA rumors… the amount of terrible takes and character assassination that kept occurring here was mind blowing. I couldn’t understand why anyone wouldn’t want a guy like that. It’s so rare when players like him hit the market. People acting like his neck was completely severed and that his entire plan was a shaman healing it.

And the “he’s toxic in the Locke room”

Would love to see anyone with talent feel like their career isn’t wasted while playing in the most pathetic franchise ever. Close second to Ottawa and Arizona.
 
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Sol said:
If I was to go back to the Eichel to LA rumors… the amount of terrible takes and character assassination that kept occurring here was mind blowing. I couldn’t understand why anyone wouldn’t want a guy like that. It’s so rare when players like him hit the market. People acting like his neck was completely severed and that his entire plan was a shaman healing it.
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Did it ever come out what the ask was from the Kings?
Tuch, Krebs, 1st, 2nd, 3rd at the time for the Kings would have been something like Kempe,Turcotte, 1st, 2nd, 3rd?
They just gave up those exact picks to get and re sign a middle pairing dman in Gavrikov.
 
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To the therapists who keep saying Quick didn’t look happy. Here he is after winning his first cup and Conn Smythe Trophy.

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Schmooley said:
Did it ever come out what the ask was from the Kings?
Tuch, Krebs, 1st, 2nd, 3rd at the time for the Kings would have been something like Kempe,Turcotte, 1st, 2nd, 3rd?
They just gave up those exact picks to get and re sign a middle pairing dman in Gavrikov.
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And $10m in cap space. Which Vegas couldn't afford either, unless some guys sit out at the right time.
 
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Schmooley said:
Did it ever come out what the ask was from the Kings?
Tuch, Krebs, 1st, 2nd, 3rd at the time for the Kings would have been something like Kempe,Turcotte, 1st, 2nd, 3rd?
They just gave up those exact picks to get and re sign a middle pairing dman in Gavrikov.
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If LA got Eichel Fiala likely would not be king due to needing cap. So you can reuturn Faber and the first to LA, but i'm sure Blake would have moved those somewhere since.

I was on the no side of things as I thought the rumored ask was too high, but do not remember what it was. Said to my wife last night, that may have been foolish.
 
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YP44 said:
If LA got Eichel Fiala likely would not be king due to needing cap. So you can reuturn Faber and the first to LA, but i'm sure Blake would have moved those somewhere since.

I was on the no side of things as I thought the rumored ask was too high, but do not remember what it was. Said to my wife last night, that may have been foolish.
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Also even if LA had Eichel it doesnt mean they win. The Kings still are undersized especially on defense, and dont have over the cap depth up front like Vegas has.
 
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Schmooley said:
Did it ever come out what the ask was from the Kings?
Tuch, Krebs, 1st, 2nd, 3rd at the time for the Kings would have been something like Kempe,Turcotte, 1st, 2nd, 3rd?
They just gave up those exact picks to get and re sign a middle pairing dman in Gavrikov.
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The Kings had the assists to make that trade, Blake didn't have the balls to pull the trigger on it.
 
GameNight said:
Further to the shot blocking of Martinez & McNabb... Also LDs, but with the Kings abruptly ending rebuild #9 was it really all that necessary to jettison *Martinez?

Also, to later trade Forbort 6 days later for a 4th rounder- the guy they chose to protect over exposing McNabb is just __________

it's now proven you can keep both of those guys and still win a Stanley Cup

sorry, I just can't resist- Mike Amadio was traded for Wolanin, aka the LD replacement for all other LDs

*they would later use the Martinez picks to trade for Lias Anderson and trade the other pick to pick Pinelli
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what you can't do is keep both during a rebuild. He'd have been traded the next year for a lesser return. He has a 5.25 mil cap hit now for a 2nd/3rd pairing dman. Mcbad as he was known around here, was just that and they probably kept Forbort because he was a 1st round pick.Got what could for him.
 
Criticizing Blake for not acquiring Eichel is playing Monday morning quarterback.

Kings had signed Danault that summer. Eichel was traded a few months later.

Eichel/Kopitar/Danault down the middle would have been awesome, and better yet it probably would've prevented Vegas from winning the SC.

BUT, every trade / non-trade is a risk. NOT trading for Eichel is the move with more upside potential because you're betting your 2OA pans out as an elite player which would have been more beneficial to the organization.
 
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SettlementRichie10 said:
And yet the Kings successfully brought in Kevin Fiala for 80% of Eichel's cap hit.
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People have said teams can't win with anyone making 8 figures. Which has been correct. Usually because such cap hits take away from building depth. Which has also been true.

They could've afford Eichel, but unless someone got hurt at the right time, someone else won't be here.

Hats off to Vegas to get someone to take 100% of Fleury's $7m contract at 36 for nothing too. Obviously whatever they're doing is right.

Trade beloved "franchise legends"(remember the stabbing Fleury in the back memes?), sign guys, flip them, who cares how they or teammates feel working for a rurhless organization, LTIR half the roster.
 
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johnjm22 said:
Criticizing Blake for not acquiring Eichel is playing Monday morning quarterback.

Kings had signed Danault that summer. Eichel was traded a few months later.

Eichel/Kopitar/Danault down the middle would have been awesome, and better yet it probably would've prevented Vegas from winning the SC.

BUT, every trade / non-trade is a risk. NOT trading for Eichel is the move with more upside potential because you're betting your 2OA pans out as an elite player which would have been more beneficial to the organization.
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No it's not MMQB, because it was heavily discussed here, and the Kings had the assets needed to make the trade, and the Kings traded for another expensive but less valuable player that off-season, so it's not like the Kings weren't in the market for an offensive player. Saying "why didn't the Kings trade for Jared McCann" would be MMQB.

We enter the 2023-2024 season with a 36 year old #1 center who should be a #2 C on a contending team and a 31 year old #2C who should be a #3C on a contending team and no 3C. Many people saw this and also saw that the Kings were taking a huge risk putting all your eggs in one basket with a draft pick developing into a 1C. Also, since QB was not going to be in the trade him panning out or not wouldn't have mattered, he would have gone from where he is now "the last fading hope for a 1C" to "if he is an elite player, awesome, if not we have Eichel"
 
Sol said:
If I was to go back to the Eichel to LA rumors… the amount of terrible takes and character assassination that kept occurring here was mind blowing. I couldn’t understand why anyone wouldn’t want a guy like that. It’s so rare when players like him hit the market. People acting like his neck was completely severed and that his entire plan was a shaman healing it.

And the “he’s toxic in the Locke room”

Would love to see anyone with talent feel like their career isn’t wasted while playing in the most pathetic franchise ever. Close second to Ottawa and Arizona.
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Almost as embarrassing as some of the current Byfield takes.
 
For anyone saying it was impossible, first, if it was impossible why were the Kings looking into it?

Second, how would having a roster like this impossible?

Keep it realistic, QB wasn't going in the trade and if they trade for Eichel it means no Fiala. The likely trade would have been something Clarke, Iafallo and a 1st.

Kaliyev - Eichel - Vilardi
Byfield - Kopitar - Kempe
Moore- Danault - VA
??? - Kupari -??

Anderson - Doughty
Gavrikov - Faber
Bjornfot - Roy
Moverare

Copley + Veteran to split the net (Rantaa caliber)

The ???'s are spots that have to be filled by cheaper internal options like Fagemo, Turcotte, JAD. Can't justify having a $1.5m Lizotte and Durzi, and need to recoup some draft capital. Spence gets the shaft a bit, by being in the AHL (he'd play whenever there is an injury) but will be an NHL regular the season after next when Roy leaves as an UFA.

This is a cap compliant team, and it's a better team than our current team. How is it MMQB to discuss likely results from a move that a GM chose not to make and the ramifications that have come from it.
 
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FSL KINGS said:
Almost as embarrassing as some of the current Byfield takes.
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QB has the 2nd worst PPG for a player taken that high in the last two decades (and yes, the players he is being comp'ed to were the same age as him). What would be a more fair take on how he has played so far as a professional?
 
KingsFan7824 said:
People have said teams can't win with anyone making 8 figures. Which has been correct. Usually because such cap hits take away from building depth. Which has also been true.

They could've afford Eichel, but unless someone got hurt at the right time, someone else won't be here.

Hats off to Vegas to get someone to take 100% of Fleury's $7m contract at 36 for nothing too. Obviously whatever they're doing is right.

Trade beloved "franchise legends"(remember the stabbing Fleury in the back memes?), sign guys, flip them, who cares how they or teammates feel working for a rurhless organization, LTIR half the roster.
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Cry about LTIR all you want. It’s within the rules of the league, for better or worse.

Secondly, the VGK players had nothing but glowing praise and gratitude for their organization yesterday. So we can dispense with the “ruthless organization” pearl clutching myth.

The Kings would be far better off in the short and long term with Eichel at $10 million than Fiala at $8 million. That would be the exchange.
 
Are we forgetting the very real uncertainty about Eichel's playing days with his back at the time of the trade. Ultimately, it has worked out for him and LV -- at least this year. But at the time, there was valid/real concerns that he could return and play an 80-90+ season of NHL hockey year after year.
 
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FSL KINGS said:
Almost as embarrassing as some of the current Byfield takes.
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Herby said:
QB has the 2nd worst PPG for a player taken that high in the last two decades (and yes, the players he is being comp'ed to were the same age as him). What would be a more fair take on how he has played so far as a professional?
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FSL, what do you see in Byfield that makes you think some of the delusional takes of him being a bonafide first line center is justified? He’s one of the worst players I’ve seen on the Kings in recent memory that’s been drafted that high and apparently he’s got the 2nd worst PPG in the last two decades.

Do you realize that he is much closer to being a bust than he is of going through an extreme metamorphosis?

Again, with Vilardi everyone knew all the skills and IQ were there. He showed his prowess. He just lacked NHL speed. Now he’s got it and he’s complete. Byfield has shown like 10-20 percent of the skill Vilardi has when he was struggling.

And since this is the present standing I think this is good enough reason for a team down in the dumps like Winnipeg to try out someone like Byfield and hope there’s something there, while we get PLD where we know he’s got something.
 
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