Around the League - 2022 Off Season Edition

[francis246]

Pretty sure they got worse and took on a terrible contract too.

I disagree I think they have a more balanced defense now. Ty Smith has way more upside than Marino, I know his skating his a bit questionable, but he’s 22 with a lot of room to improve. Pittsburgh overall defensive structure will be better than New Jersey’s. His metrics won’t be among the worst in the NHL anymore. Not to mention he has higher offensive upside than Marino who’s offensive production has be dwindling. Petry will look more stable not being a first pairing guy and being behind Letang

 

[Buds17]

Pittsburgh appears to have made a couple of solid moves in bolstering the right side D (Petry) while also adding some youth with Smith on the left. Tough to be absolutely certain about what they've brought in though considering both players are coming from teams that missed the playoffs this past season. All in all, Petry is the biggest name of the bunch and Pittsburgh has to continue making runs.

 

[zeke]

I disagree I think they have a more balanced defense now. Ty Smith has way more upside than Marino, I know his skating his a bit questionable, but he’s 22 with a lot of room to improve. Pittsburgh overall defensive structure will be better than New Jersey’s. His metrics won’t be among the worst in the NHL anymore. Not to mention he has higher offensive upside than Marino who’s offensive production has be dwindling. Petry will look more stable not being a first pairing guy and being behind Letang

Possible - Petry really did look much much worse last year without Weber taking the top matchups ahead of him. But I'm not so sure Letang is the guy getting the heavies either.

I don't think much of Smith but maybe you're right he has upside still. That will be the key to them winning this trade I thinkm

But man I really think Matheson and Marino are strong prime aged 2nd pair dmen. And I'm not sure a 35yr old Petry or a 22yr old Smith can match them. But maybe they can.

 

[MarMarSab3]

Possible - Petry really did look much much worse last year without Weber taking the top matchups ahead of him. But I'm not so sure Letang is the guy getting the heavies either.

I don't think much of Smith but maybe you're right he has upside still. That will be the key to them winning this trade I thinkm

But man I really think Matheson and Marino are strong prime aged 2nd pair dmen. And I'm not sure a 35yr old Petry or a 22yr old Smith can match them. But maybe they can.

Im with you zeke, I think pittsburgh got worst here

 

[Menzinger]

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Pretty good sign he won't be on the team for the long term.

 

[Seath The Scaleless]

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Pretty good sign he won't be on the team for the long term.

Maybe. On the other hand, Tkachuk had only 4 days to sign his QO, so perhaps his camp gave the team the thumbs up for salary arbitration to potentially have more time to work out a deal

I hope it's not the above because I'm team chaos lol

 

[ULF_55]

Maybe. On the other hand, Tkachuk had only 4 days to sign his QO, so perhaps his camp gave the team the thumbs up for salary arbitration to potentially have more time to work out a deal

I hope it's not the above because I'm team chaos lol

So would you trade 2 years of Nylander for 1 of Tkachuk?

 

[horner]

So would you trade 2 years of Nylander for 1 of Tkachuk?

No

 

[JTK1967]

So would you trade 2 years of Nylander for 1 of Tkachuk?

In the amount of time it took me to say yes to their GM, I would have sent a plane and tweeted it out. No takes backsies.

 

[notDatsyuk]

So would you trade 2 years of Nylander for 1 of Tkachuk?

No, but I'd happily trade three years of Tavares!

 

[Menzinger]

Maybe. On the other hand, Tkachuk had only 4 days to sign his QO, so perhaps his camp gave the team the thumbs up for salary arbitration to potentially have more time to work out a deal

I hope it's not the above because I'm team chaos lol

Eh, I think considering he refused any long term offer at the end of his ELC - opting for just a 3 year deal. And now again no long term deals on place heading into arbitration....

Think team chaos is going to be the W here pretty soon

 

[Fogelhund]

If you want Tkachuk, you wait until Free Agency 2023, and make an offer. The problem would be, he's going to command around $11 million, which isn't a move Nylander situation, it's a move Marner situation.

Assuming you thought moving Marner/Nylander for Tkachuk was a good idea, had Tkachuk wanted to come here... you'd simply sign him as a Free Agent, and move Marner/Nylander in a trade, and pick up the assets/futures etc from such a move.

Trading for him now, doesn't really make a lot of sense.

 

[Seath The Scaleless]

Eh, I think considering he refused any long term offer at the end of his ELC - opting for just a 3 year deal. And now again no long term deals on place heading into arbitration....

Think team chaos is going to be the W here pretty soon

With today's rumours, chaos seems inevitable. Love it

 

[zeke]

If you want Tkachuk, you wait until Free Agency 2023, and make an offer. The problem would be, he's going to command around $11 million, which isn't a move Nylander situation, it's a move Marner situation.

Or its a "ask matthews and marner what they're willing to do as free agents to add Tkachuk".

 

[DarkKnight]

If you want Tkachuk, you wait until Free Agency 2023, and make an offer. The problem would be, he's going to command around $11 million, which isn't a move Nylander situation, it's a move Marner situation.

Assuming you thought moving Marner/Nylander for Tkachuk was a good idea, had Tkachuk wanted to come here... you'd simply sign him as a Free Agent, and move Marner/Nylander in a trade, and pick up the assets/futures etc from such a move.

Trading for him now, doesn't really make a lot of sense.

He’s going to sign long term with whomever trades for him.

 

[Macallan18]

If you want Tkachuk, you wait until Free Agency 2023, and make an offer. The problem would be, he's going to command around $11 million, which isn't a move Nylander situation, it's a move Marner situation.

Assuming you thought moving Marner/Nylander for Tkachuk was a good idea, had Tkachuk wanted to come here... you'd simply sign him as a Free Agent, and move Marner/Nylander in a trade, and pick up the assets/futures etc from such a move.

Trading for him now, doesn't really make a lot of sense.

Nylander cap hit is almost 7 million, Kerfoot is 3.5 million.
If Calgary would accept the two of them in a trade and maybe some small sweetner, I would get Calgary permission to talk to Tkzachuk, and try to sign him long term at $10 million.
I think the numbers work, especially if we can dump Holl or maybe even Muzzin.
I am a Nylander fan, but I think Tkachuk would elevate our team in ways we need it.

 

[ULF_55]

Nylander cap hit is almost 7 million, Kerfoot is 3.5 million.
If Calgary would accept the two of them in a trade and maybe some small sweetner, I would get Calgary permission to talk to Tkzachuk, and try to sign him long term at $10 million.
I think the numbers work, especially if we can dump Holl or maybe even Muzzin.
I am a Nylander fan, but I think Tkachuk would elevate our team in ways we need it.

So your goal would be to put more money into the top 2 lines and leave less for the bottom 6?

 

[Fogelhund]

He’s going to sign long term with whomever trades for him.

Can you please provide a link to this quote from Tkachuk? Thanks.

 

[DarkKnight]

Can you please provide a link to this quote from Tkachuk? Thanks.

So you think Calgary will just trade him without letting the team talk to him about an extension and by not doing so lower his trade value?

 

[Fogelhund]

So you think Calgary will just trade him without letting the team talk to him about an extension and by not doing so lower his trade value?

Your assumption is that he is willing to sign an extension, and doesn’t want to go UFA to maximize his value. I suppose if a team offered an extension between $11-13 mil he might take that extension though. Limiting it to teams he’d sign an extension, also limits the market, to perhaps one team. Perhaps there are those comfortable with him being a rental. In either case, it’s probable that Calgary’s return will be impaired here.

 

[ULF_55]

Eh, I think considering he refused any long term offer at the end of his ELC - opting for just a 3 year deal. And now again no long term deals on place heading into arbitration....

Think team chaos is going to be the W here pretty soon

I'm guessing he's a silent Dubois.

Again, just speculating he wants to go to some location, just hasn't been open about it.

His post season stats aren't impressive.

 

[DarkKnight]

Your assumption is that he is willing to sign an extension, and doesn’t want to go UFA to maximize his value. I suppose if a team offered an extension between $11-13 mil he might take that extension though. Limiting it to teams he’d sign an extension, also limits the market, to perhaps one team. Perhaps there are those comfortable with him being a rental. In either case, it’s probable that Calgary’s return will be impaired here.

Agreed, they aren’t getting maximum return. What I’m saying there will be back channeling with his agent to see if there is some synergy on extension details and if it doesn’t look promising Calgary may look elsewhere if they can. I’d add the UFA market for high tickets is cumbersome too with cap restraints, unless he wants to sign with a bottom feeder. It’s a tricky metric this move.

 

[Trapper]

Nylander cap hit is almost 7 million, Kerfoot is 3.5 million.
If Calgary would accept the two of them in a trade and maybe some small sweetner, I would get Calgary permission to talk to Tkzachuk, and try to sign him long term at $10 million.
I think the numbers work, especially if we can dump Holl or maybe even Muzzin.
I am a Nylander fan, but I think Tkachuk would elevate our team in ways we need it.

3 forwards making 10 + million is a bad idea. Until we are done with Tavares, 4 of them is just insane.
We should be moving Nylander for a core player that we can lock up to a little less than he makes now for 6 years. Like the Cirelli contract. That just leaves Matthews to sign instead of raises to him and Nylander.
Then wait for JT to expire in 3.

 

[andora]

3 forwards making 10 + million is a bad idea. Until we are done with Tavares, 4 of them is just insane.
We should be moving Nylander for a core player that we can lock up to a little less than he makes now for 6 years. Like the Cirelli contract. That just leaves Matthews to sign instead of raises to him and Nylander.
Then wait for JT to expire in 3.

The concept i agree with but who is available with either that contract or needing that contract to be signed

I see teams out there that i think he would fit like detroit but they dont have that player

Or i see players like kyrou or jarvis but the teams and their situation dont fit

 

[Not My Tempo]

On one hand I agree 4 players making 10m + is bad and will basically guarantee another first round exit.

On the other, Tkachuk Matthews Marner as a line would be the most entertaining thing the Leafs have done since I was born lol