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ToneDog said:
Shows you how much our stars are overpaid or McDavid is underpaid. Yet some still want to pay Matty $2.5 more than McD and wonder why we can't win one lousy playoff round with the most talented core this team has ever had.
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What amazes me most about the McDavid factor is the Cap management value you gain through his teammates.

Check this out. Hyman and RNH combined utilize $10.625 mil AAV

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Combined on the season after 50 games they have 50 games 48 goals 72 assists 120 points, which is more statistically bang for your buck then McDavid even at $12,5 mil AAV. .

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Now compare that cap bang for your cap buck management to our Leafs even our top players whom are all being outscored and out pointed by either Oiler.

Leafs are paying Marner $10.9 mil and Tavares $11.0 mil AAV to produce similar stats so the Oilers are getting Hyman or RNH at 1/2 cap hit cost for either and double when you combine them in comparison to Mitch or JT cap consumption.

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The fact the former Leafs Hyman has more goals than any Leaf player including Auston Matthews is simply shocking to me.

You would have hoped that Matthews and Marner could have done for Hyman as McDavid does.

PS. Hyman's 11 playoff goals in 16 playoff game last year almost outscored Leafs core 4 who combined for 12 goals in 28 man games.
 
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hamzarocks said:
McDavid now has 92 in 50 with 41 goals

He's having the best goal scoring and point producing season ever of a non 99/66 player

He's going to be in the talk for GOAT soon if he gets a cup this season

He's never not been a top 3 player in the NHL since joining. Absurd peak, prime and likely a lengthy career of dominance
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he's in a league of his own. the only question was whether he was the best goal scorer, and he's confirmed that he is the best goal scorer this season too.

Mess said:
and as a result he makes those players around him even better as well.

Case in point Zach Hyman, where the Oilers have 4 players with more points on season than any Leaf player.

If anyone said Hymam after 50 games would have more points than any of Leafs core 4 players, you would think they were crazy, but that is just how good McDavid is.

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Compared to Leafs scoring leaders on the season.

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some credit due to hyman as well. pulju for example couldn't produce on mcdavid's wing.

hyman is aging like fine wine. he's a steal.
 
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Mess said:
What amazes me most about the McDavid factor is the Cap management value you gain through his teammates.

Check this out. Hyman and RNH combined utilize $10.625 mil AAV

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Combined on the season after 50 games they have 50 games 48 goals 72 assists 120 points, which is more statistically bang for your buck then McDavid even at $12,5 mil AAV. .

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Now compare that cap bang for your cap buck management to our Leafs even our top players whom are all being outscored and out pointed by either Oiler.

Leafs are paying Marner $10.9 mil and Tavares $11.0 mil AAV to produce similar stats so the Oilers are getting Hyman or RNH at 1/2 cap hit cost for either and double when you combine them in comparison to Mitch or JT cap consumption.

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The fact the former Leafs Hyman has more goals than any Leaf player including Auston Matthews is simply shocking to me.

You would have hoped that Matthews and Marner could have done for Hyman as McDavid does.

PS. Hyman's 11 playoff goals in 16 playoff game last year almost outscored Leafs core 4 who combined for 12 goals in 28 man games.
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One would think 3 players making an average $11m each could give you three strong lines, yet even with a $7m Willie having a career year, we continue to look for a top 6 LWer.
 
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ToneDog said:
Some will argue half his points are on the PP and he plays in a weaker conference. Truth is he plays at a higher speed and skill level. As good as players are today, he is better. Willie is having a career year, yet might not hit 92 points in the full season.
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10 goals and 19 assists in 17 games versus the Eastern Conference.

That's a 140 points pace.

He's been torching everyone this season.
 
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LeafChief said:
McDavid will set his own market. As has been discussed, he's the best player in the league. He'll name is number.
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Considering McD current contract is close to 25% higher than the highest paid player at that time while not being a tier or two above the next best player in the league. It is safe to say McD next deal will be 30-40% more than the highest player at that time, expecting him to sign 15mil/season anything less is a discount to the team.
Wonder if the Leafs can clear out 15mil for him, lol.
 
Mess said:
What amazes me most about the McDavid factor is the Cap management value you gain through his teammates.

Check this out. Hyman and RNH combined utilize $10.625 mil AAV

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Combined on the season after 50 games they have 50 games 48 goals 72 assists 120 points, which is more statistically bang for your buck then McDavid even at $12,5 mil AAV. .

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Now compare that cap bang for your cap buck management to our Leafs even our top players whom are all being outscored and out pointed by either Oiler.

Leafs are paying Marner $10.9 mil and Tavares $11.0 mil AAV to produce similar stats so the Oilers are getting Hyman or RNH at 1/2 cap hit cost for either and double when you combine them in comparison to Mitch or JT cap consumption.

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The fact the former Leafs Hyman has more goals than any Leaf player including Auston Matthews is simply shocking to me.

You would have hoped that Matthews and Marner could have done for Hyman as McDavid does.

PS. Hyman's 11 playoff goals in 16 playoff game last year almost outscored Leafs core 4 who combined for 12 goals in 28 man games.
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Great value for Hyman and RNH, no doubt about that.

You said it yourself though, Hyman's numbers are being run up by McDavid.
No offense to Hyman nor to Matthews and Marner, but he'd never hit those numbers here (and didn't) - McDavid is just top-of-the-league untouchable right now. We wouldn't be getting that same value from him and that has nothing to do with our team cap.
 
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uncleben said:
Great value for Hyman and RNH, no doubt about that.

You said it yourself though, Hyman's numbers are being run up by McDavid.
No offense to Hyman nor to Matthews and Marner, but he'd never hit those numbers here (and didn't) - McDavid is just top-of-the-league untouchable right now. We wouldn't be getting that value from him and that has nothing to do with our team cap.
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Still find it amazing the Hyman is unlike the other Oilers forwards when it comes to permitting less goals. He's 3rd. in ES TOI/g. He must be on the ice with good defensive players.


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ULF_55 said:
Still find it amazing the Hyman is unlike the other Oilers forwards when it comes to permitting less goals. He's 3rd. in ES TOI/g. He must be on the ice with good defensive players.


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Hyman doesn't cheat and sacrifice offense for defense and plays a solid 2-way game because he always gives 120% every shift. :)

Aren't many Leaf forwards with a better +/- and on the ice for less goals against at even strength.

John Tavares has a $11 mil cap hit (= 2 X Hyman @ $5.5. mil) and is a -1 +/- so how much defense for offense is he sacrificing for 20 goals and 46 points?
 
uncleben said:
Great value for Hyman and RNH, no doubt about that.

You said it yourself though, Hyman's numbers are being run up by McDavid.
No offense to Hyman nor to Matthews and Marner, but he'd never hit those numbers here (and didn't) - McDavid is just top-of-the-league untouchable right now. We wouldn't be getting that value from him and that has nothing to do with our team cap.
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Usage is a big reason also for Hyman success .. He has 13 PP goals and 6 PP assist and got nearly ZERO pp time with Leafs core 4 forwards getting the prime PP time.

FWIW : Matthews leads the Leafs with 10 PP goals with 7 PP assists,

So our team cap does play a part in the explanation because Leafs are compelled to give their prime PP time to their most expensive forwards, so when Zach was a Leaf or even if he was still a Leaf he would still be on the bench during PP time for Leafs.
 
ToneDog said:
One would think 3 players making an average $11m each could give you three strong lines, yet even with a $7m Willie having a career year, we continue to look for a top 6 LWer.
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There's a big difference between having 3 players each making $11M, and having 3 $11M players.

You could argue that we have 3 $9-10M players, although not the same three.
 
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Mess said:
Usage is a big reason also for Hyman success .. He has 13 PP goals and 6 PP assist and got nearly ZERO pp time with Leafs core 4 forwards getting the prime PP time.

FWIW : Matthews leads the Leafs with 10 PP goals with 7 PP assists,

So our team cap does play a part in the explanation because Leafs are compelled to give their prime PP time to their most expensive forwards, so when Zach was a Leaf or even if he was still a Leaf he would still be on the bench during PP time for Leafs.
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Hyman wasn’t on the top PP because others were paid more than him, it’s because they are superior offensive players.
 
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Wait until you see the missed interference penalty on the Bruins before they scored their first on Carolina.
Aho’s sick was flicked into the upper deck.
 
Mess said:
Hyman doesn't cheat and sacrifice offense for defense and plays a solid 2-way game because he always gives 120% every shift. :)

Aren't many Leaf forwards with a better +/- and on the ice for less goals against at even strength.

John Tavares has a $11 mil cap hit (= 2 X Hyman @ $5.5. mil) and is a -1 +/- so how much defense for offense is he sacrificing for 20 goals and 46 points?
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Have to wonder what your motive is with consistently trashing the Leafs on the Leafs board.

What's that all about?
 
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