Confirmed with Link: [ARI/TOR] Conor Timmins to Toronto for Curtis Douglas

[horner]

He's a point producer should not be taken out of the lineup only getting better

 

[LeafChief]

People forget he was a high scoring D back in OHL and AHL
No reason why can't produce given opportunties

Been a pleasent surprise so far



Great pick up.
As much as a i s***T on Dubas, he has acquired some great supporting players
Spezza, Gio, Kampf and Timmins

It's the key ones he really dropped the ball on

Yeah, like Brodie and Muzzin. Really dropped the ball there.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Yeah, like Brodie and Muzzin. Really dropped the ball there.

Nylander contract is just killing us!

 

[gordonshumway]

The value dubas has got in the trades hes won is greater than the value in the trades he's lost. He might have more "lost" trades, but most of them are leivo level losses.

You can't be serious, there's being a fan but this is just... wow.
1) Marchment for Malgin is a 'minor loss'?
2) Foligno trade is just garbage on so many levels (and almost funny that the one piece we got in that trade - Noesen - is playing pretty well for Canes after being let go)
3) giving up a 1st (Seth Jarvis) for Marleau's contract...
4) I'd argue the Muzzin trade is the most brutal of his trades, sure we got some mileage (in games played, just over 2 full seasons, really) from JM but the price? Grundstrom, Durzi and 1st that became Tobias Bjornfot. Three NHL players for a top4 D.. wow, just wow.
heck even Barabanov to SJ for that nobody Suomela is a loss.

I'd turn your argument around that he hasn't had more than a "minor win" in any of his trades, but the losses have been anything but minor.

 

[Apex Predator]

You can't be serious, there's being a fan but this is just... wow.
1) Marchment for Malgin is a 'minor loss'?
2) Foligno trade is just garbage on so many levels (and almost funny that the one piece we got in that trade - Noesen - is playing pretty well for Canes after being let go)
3) giving up a 1st (Seth Jarvis) for Marleau's contract...
4) I'd argue the Muzzin trade is the most brutal of his trades, sure we got some mileage (in games played, just over 2 full seasons, really) from JM but the price? Grundstrom, Durzi and 1st that became Tobias Bjornfot. Three NHL players for a top4 D.. wow, just wow.
heck even Barabanov to SJ for that nobody Suomela is a loss.

I'd turn your argument around that he hasn't had more than a "minor win" in any of his trades, but the losses have been anything but minor.

I think that ends up being a fair trade at the end. The leafs got a lot out of Muzzin before the last off season.

 

[gordonshumway]

Muzzin brought an element Leafs D was missing, for sure. It's just unfortunate that he seemed to get injured at the worst possible times. Still, giving up a 1st and two (former) 2nds for him seemed a bit.. much.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Man, I know misrepresenting and massively exaggerating the Marchment, Marleau, and Foligno trades are part of the whole hating Dubas playbook, no matter how many times the arguments are completely dismantled, but going after the Muzzin trade is a whole other level of ridiculous.

Timmins is looking really good so far. Making it real hard to take him out of the lineup.

 

[gordonshumway]

Man, I know misrepresenting and massively exaggerating the Marchment, Marleau, and Foligno trades are part of the whole hating Dubas playbook, no matter how many times the arguments are completely dismantled, but going after the Muzzin trade is a whole other level of ridiculous.

Timmins is looking really good so far. Making it real hard to take him out of the lineup.

Hey the record is what it is. There are no major 'wins' under his belt, but some pretty brutal losses. I suppose it's a cup half full/empty sort of argument though, those who think he's some sort of a wunderkid won't accept it. I just chuckle though that every time the GM eventually gets the hook, eeeeeeveryone will pile on. You just watch.
btw, not arguing the Timmins trade is looking good - it is... but will he become a major piece for this team? we'll see.

 

[Rude Dog]

Timmins over Holl longer term.

 

[AvroArrow]

Dubas deserves to go to prison for this robbery, jeez this guy is such a steal.

 

[Gary Nylund]

You can't be serious, there's being a fan but this is just... wow.
1) Marchment for Malgin is a 'minor loss'?
2) Foligno trade is just garbage on so many levels (and almost funny that the one piece we got in that trade - Noesen - is playing pretty well for Canes after being let go)
3) giving up a 1st (Seth Jarvis) for Marleau's contract...
4) I'd argue the Muzzin trade is the most brutal of his trades, sure we got some mileage (in games played, just over 2 full seasons, really) from JM but the price? Grundstrom, Durzi and 1st that became Tobias Bjornfot. Three NHL players for a top4 D.. wow, just wow.
heck even Barabanov to SJ for that nobody Suomela is a loss.

I'd turn your argument around that he hasn't had more than a "minor win" in any of his trades, but the losses have been anything but minor.

There is just so much wrong here. I can't be bothered to pick it all apart so I'll just say that the Muzzin trade was great, he was exactly what we needed. Good trade for both teams.

Dubas deserves to go to prison for this robbery, jeez this guy is such a steal.

Yes, Dubas deserves major props for this one. I really hope he stays on as GM, he's done a good job for us, much better than any GM we've had in ages.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Hey the record is what it is. There are no major 'wins' under his belt, but some pretty brutal losses

The record is what it is - overwhelmingly good - but unfortunately you refuse to see the record for what it actually is. Your claim is factually inaccurate. Let's get back to Timmins.

 

[fahad203]

As much as I want to discuss about Dubas's portfolion

This thread is about Timmins. If we can kindly come back to that

I think he has been a solid addition. We need one of those trade wins. Where our player finds a new home and finds his game. Kind of like Bunting

I hope he can continue to play. Gio will need some night off. He's 38 and I dont want his legs to be burning come playoffs

 

[GQS]

You can't be serious, there's being a fan but this is just... wow.
1) Marchment for Malgin is a 'minor loss'?
2) Foligno trade is just garbage on so many levels (and almost funny that the one piece we got in that trade - Noesen - is playing pretty well for Canes after being let go)
3) giving up a 1st (Seth Jarvis) for Marleau's contract...
4) I'd argue the Muzzin trade is the most brutal of his trades, sure we got some mileage (in games played, just over 2 full seasons, really) from JM but the price? Grundstrom, Durzi and 1st that became Tobias Bjornfot. Three NHL players for a top4 D.. wow, just wow.
heck even Barabanov to SJ for that nobody Suomela is a loss.

I'd turn your argument around that he hasn't had more than a "minor win" in any of his trades, but the losses have been anything but minor.

1) Marchment for Malgin IS a minor loss. Sure he showed some good offensive ability with the Panthers, but after signing his 4.5 million contract with the Stars his offense has dropped off this season. Maybe he'll turn it on and look better going forward, but losing him isn't the end of the world and its likely we wouldn't have the cap space to resign him anyways so we'd have to either let him walk or trade him regardless.

2) Foligno trade was bad, but the intention was there. People said the team needed more leadership and toughness and that's what Foligno was suppose to bring. Sucks that it didn't work out and this was probably Dubas' worst trade as Leafs GM.

3) Sucks that Lamoriello gave Marleau that contract with the extra year. Maybe the price to get rid of him was abit high, but perhaps that was the only move Dubas felt he had to get some cap space back.

4) People complained that the Leafs' defense was soft and wasn't very good. The same goes for their goaltending when Andersen wasn't getting the job done. So Dubas went out and addressed both needs with one trade. I don't know much about Bjornfot and it sucks to lose Grundstrom and Durzi, but Dubas went out and got players to help fix our goaltending and defensive issues at the time without giving up the farm.

Also its interesting how some Leafs fans complain about Dubas giving up valuable picks and prospects to add to the team and then you look at the trade thread here and there's other Leafs fan who WANT Dubas to give up major assets to go 'all in' this year. So either way whatever he does, he's likely going to be pissing off some Leafs fans no matter what.

 

[fahad203]

1) Marchment for Malgin IS a minor loss. Sure he showed some good offensive ability with the Panthers, but after signing his 4.5 million contract with the Stars his offense has dropped off this season. Maybe he'll turn it on and look better going forward, but losing him isn't the end of the world and its likely we wouldn't have the cap space to resign him anyways so we'd have to either let him walk or trade him regardless.

2) Foligno trade was bad, but the intention was there. People said the team needed more leadership and toughness and that's what Foligno was suppose to bring. Sucks that it didn't work out and this was probably Dubas' worst trade as Leafs GM.

3) Sucks that Lamoriello gave Marleau that contract with the extra year. Maybe the price to get rid of him was abit high, but perhaps that was the only move Dubas felt he had to get some cap space back.

4) People complained that the Leafs' defense was soft and wasn't very good. The same goes for their goaltending when Andersen wasn't getting the job done. So Dubas went out and addressed both needs with one trade. I don't know much about Bjornfot and it sucks to lose Grundstrom and Durzi, but Dubas went out and got players to help fix our goaltending and defensive issues at the time without giving up the farm.

Also its interesting how some Leafs fans complain about Dubas giving up valuable picks and prospects to add to the team and then you look at the trade thread here and there's other Leafs fan who WANT Dubas to give up major assets to go 'all in' this year. So either way whatever he does, he's likely going to be pissing off some Leafs fans no matter what.

If you think about it none of it really matters anymore. It is what it is
This year really is the breakpoint year. If we dont' do well in the playoffs, well Dubas won't be here
If we do, then we can review what worked

No point of beating the dead horse

Timmins. This thread is about Timmins

 

[Coaches Coroner]

It's funny how badly some people hate Dubas that they are pathologically compelled to double down in the face of overwhelmingly being wrong.

You can't be serious, there's being a fan but this is just... wow.
1) Marchment for Malgin is a 'minor loss'?
2) Foligno trade is just garbage on so many levels (and almost funny that the one piece we got in that trade - Noesen - is playing pretty well for Canes after being let go)
3) giving up a 1st (Seth Jarvis) for Marleau's contract...
4) I'd argue the Muzzin trade is the most brutal of his trades, sure we got some mileage (in games played, just over 2 full seasons, really) from JM but the price? Grundstrom, Durzi and 1st that became Tobias Bjornfot. Three NHL players for a top4 D.. wow, just wow.
heck even Barabanov to SJ for that nobody Suomela is a loss.

I'd turn your argument around that he hasn't had more than a "minor win" in any of his trades, but the losses have been anything but minor.

If we gave Marchment 4 x 4.5 and he was producing 21 points in 41 games, you and everyone else with this point of view would be losing their minds.

 

[fahad203]

It's funny how badly some people hate Dubas that they are pathologically compelled to double down in the face of overwhelmingly being wrong.

Again the thread is about Timmins. Lets move on bud
There will be other threads to talk about how much we love (not me) and hate (that's me) Dubas

Some of us dont' hate Dubas. We just really love the Leafs

Timmins....

We should look into more players for Arizona. They have been working out for us
Arizona is a good AHL team for rest of NHL

 

[gordonshumway]

The record is what it is - overwhelmingly good - but unfortunately you refuse to see the record for what it actually is. Your claim is factually inaccurate. Let's get back to Timmins.

Someone made a ridiculous claim that (paraphrasing here a bit) the worst trade Dubas made was the Leivo deal... ironically enough, that's the move that matters the least in grand scheme of things, Leivo was and still is a fringe NHLer, nothing more. I just pointed out all the other moves that seem way worse than that one.

 

[GQS]

If you think about it none of it really matters anymore. It is what it is
This year really is the breakpoint year. If we dont' do well in the playoffs, well Dubas won't be here
If we do, then we can review what worked

No point of beating the dead horse

Timmins. This thread is about Timmins

That's the thing I disagree with. I get that playoff success is very important, but that shouldn't be the be all end all in deciding whether or not Dubas should continue being GM of the Leafs. I just don't think that it makes sense that the difference between Dubas losing his job this year and being safe for a season or two more is if the Leafs beat Tampa in game 7 last season. That one playoff series win means his job is safe for at least one more season.

Timmins for Douglas are the kind of moves that we rarely saw from previous Leafs GMs. The same goes for his drafting where the Leafs had very few prospects to look forward to before Dubas came on board.

 

[gordonshumway]

It's funny how badly some people hate Dubas that they are pathologically compelled to double down in the face of overwhelmingly being wrong.


If we gave Marchment 4 x 4.5 and he was producing 21 points in 41 games, you and everyone else with this point of view would be losing their minds.

The argument here is trading him for next to nothing, not giving him a contract that we all know Leafs likely wouldn't be able to do based on cap space available. His asset management has been pretty bad, and the trades reflect that. But sure, pick on things I didn't *actually* say, such is the internet...

 

[fahad203]

That's the thing I disagree with. I get that playoff success is very important, but that shouldn't be the be all end all in deciding whether or not Dubas should continue being GM of the Leafs. I just don't think that it makes sense that the difference between Dubas losing his job this year and being safe for a season or two more is if the Leafs beat Tampa in game 7 last season. That one playoff series win means his job is safe for at least one more season.

Timmins for Douglas are the kind of moves that we rarely saw from previous Leafs GMs. The same goes for his drafting where the Leafs had very few prospects to look forward to before Dubas came on board.

That's great. We have a GM thread for that. I am not agreeing or disagreeing with you
Just want people to discuss the topic in hand

Appreciate the input

 

[Dekes For Days]

Buddy, you're the one who made this ridiculous claim that (paraphrasing here a bit) the worst trade Dubas made was the Leivo deal... ironically enough, that's the move that matters the least in grand scheme of things, Leivo was and still is a fringe NHLer, nothing more. I just pointed out all the other moves that seem way worse than that one.
(correction, it wasn't you - apologies for that)

That wasn't me, and if you realized it wasn't me, I don't know why you added a note on the end instead of not posting the false accusation in the first place, or removing it.
It is true though that trades of fringe NHLers that age out of prospect status and don't have much team control left aren't very notable, like Leivo, or Marchment.

 

[horner]

Next season
Mo
Brodie
Gio
Liljegren
Timmins
Sandin
Niemela ( if leaf brass thinks he is ready )
Muzzin ?

Who do you trade
These are all nhl defensemen

To me
Sandin or Brodie ( just because of his cap hit)

Liljegren is a top pairing dman in my eyes.

 

[gordonshumway]

That wasn't me, and if you realized it wasn't me, I don't know why you added a note on the end instead of not posting the false accusation in the first place, or removing it.
It is true though that trades of fringe NHLers that age out of prospect status and don't have much team control left aren't very notable, like Leivo, or Marchment.

I just did - again, apologized.

 

[Morbo]

I don't see how other moves affect this one in isolation. Nobody is trying to take your Dubas voodoo doll away. by all means keep poking it. But Timmins for Douglas appears to be a very good move for the Leafs so far.