Confirmed with Link: [ARI/TOR] Conor Timmins to Toronto for Curtis Douglas

[Gallagbi]

That's not a bad contract for that production. Maybe longer than it should be, but that is perfectly acceptable production at that contract.

How good of a contract is Jarn right now? Less than half the cap hit and better stats per game.

 

[Apex Predator]

The Malgin for Marchment trade, at the time, was a good trade. It was an NHL player who had 197 NHL games played at that point, for an AHL player. Nobody could have foreseen Marchment actually turning into a productive player, and anyone saying otherwise is a complete liar and a clown.

If Marleau wasn't traded, the team would be worse off today. They needed that cap.

As for the Muzzin trade, well I really don't recognize your username at all, which leads me to believe your just a clown show troll.

Playing devils advocate but a year later they traded Kapanen and Johnson both at their lowest point. There was no way we were going to be able to afford them both. Writing was on the wall they needed to move. We could have sold high on them and weathered the storm for another season with Marleau. Instead we gave up a first.

We’ll never know if they would be worse of today because of what kappy and Johnson could have returned.

FYI this is not a shot at Dubas just saying there were other options at the time. In another universe this timeline played out and who knows how they turned out.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Muzzin was arguably this teams best defenseman in his time here, and he has been our best defenseman in every playoff series he’s been in, even last playoffs when he barely played during the regular season he and Brodie were a great shutdown pairing against Tampa.

Yeah the Leafs have wasted his and others years by being unclutch when it matters most but that doesn’t take away the fact that the Muzzin trade was solid and we got good years from him. And if not for a BS late penalty and Dubois being a f***ing scumbag Muzzin might still be playing and contributing.

 

[Dekes For Days]

I'll agree about having to trade Marleau, but not the price paid. If one needs any evidence on salary dump trade, let's not forget Dubas 'generously' letting Sens off the hook on Murray's contract at 75% of the hit.

Nobody was "let off the hook". Taking on a slightly overpaid goalie is not remotely the same as taking on 6.25m in completely dead cap, and the price reflects that. Heck, we literally had Calgary pay a 1st to dump Monahan just last offseason, who's actually playing for Montreal and on a 56 point pace, so I don't know how there's people who think we paid too much for Marleau.

Playing devils advocate but a year later they traded Kapanen and Johnson both at their lowest point. There was no way we were going to be able to afford them both. Writing was on the wall they needed to move. We could have sold high on them and weathered the storm for another season with Marleau. Instead we gave up a first.

Making the team worse in order to drag around massive dead cap and an active on-ice liability during competitive years is not a solution. If Dubas had traded them after their rookie season in order to keep the corpse of Marleau, he would have been rightfully torn apart. They weren't traded at their "lowest point", we got a great return for Kapanen, and the main reason we moved them in the first place was the sudden global pandemic that unexpectedly stagnated the cap, and there's no writing on the wall for that.

 

[Menzinger]

One of the shrewdest parts of the trade is that Timmins doesn't even have arbitration rights yet.

Meaning he's getting forced into a dirt cheap 1-2 year extension this offseason

 

[Stephen]

One of the shrewdest parts of the trade is that Timmins doesn't even have arbitration rights yet.

Meaning he's getting forced into a dirt cheap 1-2 year extension this offseason

This trade has the makings of Bryan McCabe II. One step at a time.

 

[Lauro]

This trade has the makings of Bryan McCabe II. One step at a time.

Had to look it up, got McCabe for Karpovtsev and a 4th rounder, not bad.

 

[LeafSteel]

This trade has the makings of Bryan McCabe II. One step at a time.

That was such an underrated deal, and I liked Potsie, peace be with him….

 

[Gabriel426]

Playing devils advocate but a year later they traded Kapanen and Johnson both at their lowest point. There was no way we were going to be able to afford them both. Writing was on the wall they needed to move. We could have sold high on them and weathered the storm for another season with Marleau. Instead we gave up a first.

We’ll never know if they would be worse of today because of what kappy and Johnson could have returned.

FYI this is not a shot at Dubas just saying there were other options at the time. In another universe this timeline played out and who knows how they turned out.

I would say both Kap and AJ are at their lowest point now. Considering one usually sits in the press box and the other passed through waivers.
Other than that, I do tend agree with you. If they actually traded one of them after their 20 goals season, Leafs could have gotten more and might just find a way to keep Marleau instead of trading him away for a 1st.

 

[Stephen]

That was such an underrated deal, and I liked Potsie, peace be with him….

RIP Potsie.

Bit of nerdy history though. In 1993, the Leafs drafted Kenny Jonsson, WJC star for Sweden in the first round. In 1996, they traded him in a package to the New York Islanders for Wendel and Mathieu Schneider and later traded Schneider to the New York Rangers for Karpovtsev.

Karpovtsev was solid for us but in 2000 we traded him to Chicago for Bryan McCabe, who was a WJC star for Canada partially as a replacement for Bryan Berard. All of Berard, McCabe and Jonsson were teammates on the 1997 Islanders.

 

[LeafChief]

One of the shrewdest parts of the trade is that Timmins doesn't even have arbitration rights yet.

Meaning he's getting forced into a dirt cheap 1-2 year extension this offseason

Would be great to get him locked up for 2 years at a low number. Like I said earlier, lets hope he can stay healthy because he looks like he can be a real piece for this team.

 

[Ciao]

Playing devils advocate but a year later they traded Kapanen and Johnson both at their lowest point. There was no way we were going to be able to afford them both. Writing was on the wall they needed to move. We could have sold high on them and weathered the storm for another season with Marleau. Instead we gave up a first.

We’ll never know if they would be worse of today because of what kappy and Johnson could have returned.

FYI this is not a shot at Dubas just saying there were other options at the time. In another universe this timeline played out and who knows how they turned out.

Maybe you missed that Johnsson just passed through waivers, still on the same contract he signed with the Leafs. The Leafs could have picked him up for nothing were they so inclined.

Being traded was hardly Johnsson's low point; passing through waivers was.

 

[Apex Predator]

Being traded was hardly Johnsson's low point; passing through waivers was.

I meant lowest point when the leafs had them. Point is fair though.

 

[Anthrax442]

Would be great to get him locked up for 2 years at a low number. Like I said earlier, lets hope he can stay healthy because he looks like he can be a real piece for this team.

He is an RFA with no Arb rights. He is probably looking at max what Sandin and Lily got.

 

[namttebih]

RIP Potsie.

Bit of nerdy history though. In 1993, the Leafs drafted Kenny Jonsson, WJC star for Sweden in the first round. In 1996, they traded him in a package to the New York Islanders for Wendel and Mathieu Schneider and later traded Schneider to the New York Rangers for Karpovtsev.

Karpovtsev was solid for us but in 2000 we traded him to Chicago for Bryan McCabe, who was a WJC star for Canada partially as a replacement for Bryan Berard. All of Berard, McCabe and Jonsson were teammates on the 1997 Islanders.

I had totally forgotten about Schneider.

 

[Leafsfan74]

One of the shrewdest parts of the trade is that Timmins doesn't even have arbitration rights yet.

Meaning he's getting forced into a dirt cheap 1-2 year extension this offseason

It's these types of trades that Dubas is making to provide himself (or his replacement) some flexibility. Pick up players with pedigree, First Rounders, captains, Cup winners and play the odds that what others saw in them/what lead to their past successes will express themselves again. If not, it's a business with few assets lost. If it works out, it's a win/win for player and team.

From Timmins standpoint he realizes the onus is on him to try and develop a career and to reach his potential. He has all the support staff he could hope for and Keefes praise of him is most focused on that. Wise praise, as his potential can be realized as long as he puts in the work. Talent will only get you so far, you have to work hard on it. Whether it's business, programming or pro sports.

So far.so good for him, just stick to the program.

 

[meefer]

It's these types.of trades that Dubas is making to provide himself (or his replacement) some flexibility. Pick up players with pedigree, First Rounders, captains, Cup winners and play the odds that what others saw in them/what lead to their past successes will express themselves again. If not, it's a business with few assets lost. If it works out, it's a win/win for player and team.

From Timmins standpoint he realizes the onus is on him to try and develop a career and to reach his potential. He has all the support staff he could hope for and Keefes praise of him is most focused on that. Wise praise, as his potential can be realized as long as he puts in the work. Talent will only bet you so far, you have to work hard on it. Whether it's business, programming or pro sports.

So far.so good for him, just stick to the program.

My god, a Timmins post in the Timmins thread...well done!

 

[The Iceman]

I mean Durzi might be playing that much a night but he absolutely should not be. He has been getting absolutely caved in defensively. He is a guy that should be getting heavily sheltered on a 3rd pairing and get PP time. Which is of no use to us.

Interested to know who is the more valuable player.
Lily or Durzi?

Lots of talk LA were offered their choice of either defender.

 

[Damisoph]

Playing devils advocate but a year later they traded Kapanen and Johnson both at their lowest point.

Didn't they obtain the Pens 1st rounder for Kapanen??

Anyways, Timmins looking like a stud so far

 

[Warden of the North]

Playing devils advocate but a year later they traded Kapanen and Johnson both at their lowest point. There was no way we were going to be able to afford them both. Writing was on the wall they needed to move. We could have sold high on them and weathered the storm for another season with Marleau. Instead we gave up a first.

We’ll never know if they would be worse of today because of what kappy and Johnson could have returned.

FYI this is not a shot at Dubas just saying there were other options at the time. In another universe this timeline played out and who knows how they turned out.

Johnsson is still playing on the contract signed with Leafs......while in the AHL. I think that qualifies him as being at his lowest point.

Kapanen declined after he left Toronto. Also not at his lowest point.

Both of them were arguably traded at their highest points, especially Johnsson.

 

[ACC1224]

Officially on fire Dubas train right now. WTF

This post can never be forgotten

 

[Gallagbi]

Playing devils advocate but a year later they traded Kapanen and Johnson both at their lowest point. There was no way we were going to be able to afford them both. Writing was on the wall they needed to move. We could have sold high on them and weathered the storm for another season with Marleau. Instead we gave up a first.

We’ll never know if they would be worse of today because of what kappy and Johnson could have returned.

FYI this is not a shot at Dubas just saying there were other options at the time. In another universe this timeline played out and who knows how they turned out.

Felt like the plan was to keep at least 1 of them until the pandemic hit.

Theres a better argument that both were traded at or close to peak value rather than lowest as Warden mentioned

 

[Apex Predator]

Felt like the plan was to keep at least 1 of them until the pandemic hit.

Theres a better argument that both were traded at or close to peak value rather than lowest as Warden mentioned

Fair points by others that have mentioned highest or lowest value.

 

[Leafsfan74]

Another important point that I believe illustrates further Dubas development as a GM, he made moves early knowing (as many of us do) that deadline deals are often more costly. if the Leafs fail this playoff it might not save his job, but he's been around the NHL block enough to know how it works now and realizes "better to cut bait earlier and search for gems.

He did this with this trade and also Malgin.

He may not get all he wants as deadline deals are tricky and more expensive, that's the nature of all sports where with buyers/sellers and bargains never the twain shall meet. However, in the interim depth on D is invaluable and making hockey trades where viable is better than waiting and making more complicated trades

It's also far easier to slot in a younger forward and play him in advantageous spots than it is to put in a green D Man who will be exploited by the opposition. Whether it's Timmins, Benn or another, they will play a key role in this seasons outcome.

 

[Fogelhund]

Didn't they obtain the Pens 1st rounder for Kapanen??

Anyways, Timmins looking like a stud so far

Yes, we picked Amirov with that pick.