Confirmed with Link: [ARI/TOR] Conor Timmins to Toronto for Curtis Douglas

[Jojalu]

No it’s not overblown when Colorado got to watch Nazem Kadri skate around the ice with the Stanley Cup over his head while we’ve had to watch Kerfoot coast around for four years.

Or when Florida benefited from a nearly point per game season from Marchment while Malgin played in Europe.

Or when Edmonton has a point per game Zach
Hyman for the price we’re paying Kerfoot and Engvall to score a combined 3 goals in 39 games this season

Or when he treats Matt Martin like absolute garbage and trades him for Eamon McAdam. Martin then plays 49 playoff games in the three following seasons as an integral part of an effective fourth line.

He has routinely favoured soft players over physical ones. And it hasn’t payed off. And he keeps doing it.

Hyman priced himself out.

Besides, Hyman was terrible here in the playoffs. 5 goals and 13 points in 32 games.

Kadri couldn't help them because he was suspended. This whole board practically ran him out of town.

It was also who went and got Hyman and gabe him his shot.

Yes it is 100% overblown.

Your stretching when you say soft. Kerfoot is anything but soft. Guy works his ass off taking a beating game in game out playing against guys bigger than him. If Kerfoot was drafted by the Leafs instead of being part of the Kadri trade the entire narrative would be different on him.

Dubas may not have got the right toughness yet, but he has never been shy to go and acquire a bunch of them

 

[Fogelhund]

When has he been a physical force?

Junior for sure he was.

It's hard to say as a pro, if he can become that degree of a physical force again, or if his injuries have spooked him. It's certainly in his nature though.

 

[CabanaBoy5]

Timmins has 42 hits in 51 NHL games, playoffs included where the intensity is ramped up. He is not even a hit per game, this is what it looks like when measured up with current Leafs defenseman.

This season alone...

Sandin has 50 hits in 21 games.
Holl has 39 hits in 21 games.
Rielly has 22 hits in 20 games.
Giordano has 20 hits in 21 games.
Benn has 18 hits in 6 games.
Liljegren has 17 hits in 10 games.
Muzzin has 11 hits in 4 games.
Brodie has 17 hits in 15 games. (He is usually pretty low, so it's probably the sample size.)
Mete has 1 hit in 5 games.

Stats can sometimes be deceiving. Holl with 39 hits in 21 games, did they include if he breathes on an opponent? Holl is not considered a hitter by any stretch. Timmins couldn't possibly hit less than Holl.

 

[Magic Man]

#1 - I would seriously suggest actually watching him play.

#2 - If you can't wait that long, I'd suggest reading ANY available scouting report on Timmins.

Out of all the links of page one of google only 2 mentioned his physical play. The one was very flattering. But, there wasn't much there. I sure hope I'm wrong but it doesn't look promising.

I also checked into take a peak at what kind of penalties he takes because he has 12 pim in 6 games with Tuscon. The lists of penalties he took weren't roughing calls and boarding penalties. They were hooking, delay of game and tripping type of calls. Useless soft penalties. 12 pim and -10 in 6 games, unreal start to his year so far.

Stats can sometimes be deceiving. Holl with 39 hits in 21 games, did they include if he breathes on an opponent? Holl is not considered a hitter by any stretch. Timmins couldn't possibly hit less than Holl.

Scary thought right?

 

[Isaac Nootin]

When has he been a physical force?

I've seen Timmins play 15+ times live probably. He was a physical force. It's part of the reason he was drafted so high, when paired with his offensive ability.

Here's some snippets of scouting reports on Timmins.

"He could add more muscle to beef up his already aggressive defensive game."

"Conor Timmins is very physical in his own end of the rink. Forwards have to keep their head up on his side of the ice, as he is always looking to make an impact with a big hit. He maintains good gap control, and uses an explosive lower body to just explode into the hit. Timmins is also physical in the corners and in front of the net."

There's many more.

 

[Fogelhund]

Interesting...

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

He already traded them Nick Ritchie. Ritchie has 16 goals and 24 points in 41 games since he's gone to Arizona. pacing for 32 goals over a full 82 games. But I guess he wasn't good enough for our team, we had Pierre Engvall.

We had Mason Marchment, but you know what Dubas thought might be a good idea? Swapping him for 5'9 4th line offensive boost Denis "Malkin" Malgin.

We had the "The Dream" locked up for 3 years at 4.5M and he went on to win a stanley cup and have the best years of his career somewhere else. Dubas traded him for a 5'9 Dman on an expiring deal and Alex "The Real Deal" Kerfoot.

He has his philosophy and not only do I disagree with it, but he's kind of watering down Leafs games for me, my eyes hurt after watching so many twirls and spins from all these 5'9 wingers.

If you think this doesn't come back to bite him in the ass, then you should look closer at the pattern.

Do you honestly think we should have kept Ritchie? The guy was on pace for 22 pts with us even though he was fed top 6 minutes with superstar players from the get go. Making 2.5M for 2 yrs to boot. He was lazy and took bad penalties. The same reasons the Ducks and Bruins gave up on him.

 

[Isaac Nootin]

I also checked into take a peak at what kind of penalties he takes because he has 12 pim in 6 games with Tuscon. The lists of penalties he took weren't roughing calls and boarding penalties.

Fantastic.

Boarding/Roughing penalties = toughness.

 

[crump]

I know we are desperate now, with Benn leaving the game there is potential for another player down on D. By all accounts I have looked at in the last 24 hours, Timmins has not been good, either with the NHL or his conditioning stint. What is the plan, to see how he practices and let him ease in, or throw him in out of desperation.

Mete - Holloway for a game? To see if they survive?

It will be interesting to see how they use Timmins this week. I mean he has played some games this year, but he has been off for nearly 3 years with the pandemic shut down and injuries, his conditioning and timing must be atrocious right now.

 

[ACC1224]

Interesting...

Thanks for that.
He's so much like his dad, takes me back.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Looks like a guy who has been constantly hurt so he is like a junior guy on development curve .. needs to play a couple seasons with Marlies

 

[Fogelhund]

Look, don't get too excited about Timmins. Chances are his injuries have neutered his future. He WAS going to be a solid NHL guy though, so there is still a chance for him. If somehow, by force of a miracle, he returns to what he was thought to once be, it's a major win. In Junior, he was physical, he was a move the guy from your own crease, he was offensively strong... he hasn't been that at the NHL level yet. It's a lottery pick, with a very slim chance of hitting. But as one of Douglas's bigger fans, we didn't really give up anything. Sadly.

 

[Fogelhund]

Looks like a guy who has been constantly hurt so he is like a junior guy on development curve .. needs to play a couple seasons with Marlies

I'd say this is accurate... but two severe injuries, bad luck... not really injury prone. Almost like he needs to start again with his future. A season with the Marlies, maybe two, build some strength to be the kind of kid he was in the Juniors.... It's a decent sized RD, who was once a legit prospect...

 

[TMLAM34]

Wouldn’t the Leafs need to put him on waivers in order to send him to the Marlies? Just like Arizona would have had to do in order to keep him in the AHL after his current conditioning stint down there?

I can see the Leafs not rushing into putting him into the lineup. Give him a bunch of practices with the team so he learns the systems and gets up to speed without potentially getting hurt. We have the cap space to keep him up right now with all our injuries, might as well take full advantage of it.

 

[Magic Man]

Do you honestly think we should have kept Ritchie? The guy was on pace for 22 pts with us even though he was fed top 6 minutes with superstar players from the get go. Making 2.5M for 2 yrs to boot. He was lazy and took bad penalties. The same reasons the Ducks and Bruins gave up on him.

After a bad first 8 games on the top line they shuffled him around in the middle part for another 10 games before they gave up on him completely. I do remember him not playing very well. I think they could have tried harder to make that work. Engvall was the odd man out to start the year and they gave him his spot as he got less ice time. They buried him and gave up on him early just like Douglas and he immediately turned around and started scoring goals.

 

[ACC1224]

I'd say this is accurate... but two severe injuries, bad luck... not really injury prone. Almost like he needs to start again with his future. A season with the Marlies, maybe two, build some strength to be the kind of kid he was in the Juniors.... It's a decent sized RD, who was once a legit prospect...

Be risky to waive him to the Marlies, no?

 

[TMLAM34]

Be risky to waive him to the Marlies, no?

He’ll get claimed 100%, which is why Arizona moved him for something.

We have the luxury right now to keep him up for a few weeks to practice and learn the systems without really risking an injury.

 

[Jeffrey Pedler]

He already traded them Nick Ritchie. Ritchie has 16 goals and 24 points in 41 games since he's gone to Arizona. pacing for 32 goals over a full 82 games. But I guess he wasn't good enough for our team, we had Pierre Engvall.

We had Mason Marchment, but you know what Dubas thought might be a good idea? Swapping him for 5'9 4th line offensive boost Denis "Malkin" Malgin.

We had the "The Dream" locked up for 3 years at 4.5M and he went on to win a stanley cup and have the best years of his career somewhere else. Dubas traded him for a 5'9 Dman on an expiring deal and Alex "The Real Deal" Kerfoot.

He has his philosophy and not only do I disagree with it, but he's kind of watering down Leafs games for me, my eyes hurt after watching so many twirls and spins from all these 5'9 wingers.

If you think this doesn't come back to bite him in the ass, then you should look closer at the pattern.

You do know they're one year wonder players all the time. No one could've predicted Ritchie putting up these numbers. The guy played with Matthews and Marner yet couldn't put up those numbers.

 

[Leafsfan74]

Do you honestly think we should have kept Ritchie? The guy was on pace for 22 pts with us even though he was fed top 6 minutes with superstar players from the get go. Making 2.5M for 2 yrs to boot. He was lazy and took bad penalties. The same reasons the Ducks and Bruins gave up on him.

I think he could have played a role in Toronto, we all miscast him as Hyman replacement when he could have been a really effective net presence, physical player lower down in the lineup. Fans were measuring him to the standards of a $5M plsyrr that he was not.

This D Man appears to be not what I thought he was, but a potential puck moving D Man. If healthy and reaches his potential, maybe has top four potential. He isn't the physical presence that I respect in the backend but could fill another void, maybe be effective on the PP? A future Brodie?

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

After a bad first 8 games on the top line they shuffled him around in the middle part for another 10 games before they gave up on him completely. I do remember him not playing very well. I think they could have tried harder to make that work. Engvall was the odd man out to start the year and they gave him his spot as he got less ice time. They buried him and gave up on him early just like Douglas and he immediately turned around and started scoring goals.

We may have given up on him early but like I said, he was showing the same tendencies as he was with 2 previous organizations. Lazy, inconsistent and takes dumb costly penalties. If we had kept him the whole year and he continued like that everyone would have been screaming for Dubas' head over it. Maybe moving on to his 3rd team finally gave him the wake up he needed? Same with Kadri. Took him a few internal suspensions, 6 league suspensions and 3 of them costing his teams playoff round wins before he got his shit together.

Engvall at least put up 35 pts last year and was one of the reasons our 3rd line was one of the most effective shutdown lines in the league. Also killed penalties. He's been very underwhelming this year though

 

[4thline]

Re: Timmins injury history - it's actually not as bad as it looks, the Covid shortened years make it seem much worse but in 19-20 and 20-21 he actually played the majority of games he was eligible for, pushing his way onto a strong Colorado squad and holding enough value to be a big part of the Kuemper trade

Realistically-
U20 borderline 1st rounder that boomed post draft.
U21- Injured and missed full first AHL season
U22- Came back from injury, strong AHL rookie year, back on track, earned games
U23- More time in the NHL than not
U24- traded, expected to be young top 4 on rebuilding club, hurt and missed the season
U25- ????

 

[Cams]

That's a pretty vague term.
I'd say he's about as physical as Brodie, Rielly, players like that.
He'll take the body, rub guys out but he's not running around looking for it.

Maybe people are expecting Scott Stevens.

 

[ToneDog]

Never seen the kid play but I recall him being a bubble first rounder in his draft year. My concern was he couldn't even make the Yotes' D. Hope we get to see him soon so we can form a better opinion.

 

[Cams]

I'm pretty sure the knights develop way more legitimate nhl talent then the soo

It goes in cycles....plus now the OHL watches recruitment, etc. much closer...those who know what I am talking about will understand this.

Maybe the Leafs need some Spitfires.....

 

[Cams]

This is the home of Wendel, Roberts and Tucker. You can't deprive the fanbase like this.

This also isn't 1988 or 2000......

A player like Wendel or Tucker would be suspended more than they play in today's game.

Don't get me wrong...I loved those 3 guys, especially Tucker and Wendel (I even had 2 cats named Tucker (and he was a shit disturber by the way) and Wendel - who are no longer with us), but the game has evolved. How many guys in the league now are Wendel Clark or Darcy Tucker type players......maybe Tom Wilson?

Heck, I'd love a Yushkevich or Markov type on the blueline now.

Sadly, nostalgia doesn't get you very far.