Andersen decision looming for Leafs

[thusk]

If Andersen was doing the right thing the puck would have not got past him and into the net.

You can do the right thing and the ouck still goes in net...

When the puck in the same situation and same position result as a save 999/1000, you can't tell its not the right thing because the puck goes in 1/1000

 

[nuck]

Lehner has better career stats, better recent stats, better playoff stats, and is 29 years old. Andersen will be 32 when his next contract kicks in.

If Lehner was 5 years X 5M, Andersen should be like 3-4 years X 4-4.5M. I wouldn't do 5 years X 5M, let alone anything above that. So if he's willing to sign a reasonable deal, sure. If not, then we need to look elsewhere. We don't have the cap flexibility to risk it.

Dubas has no spend control on legit players. I don't believe he can resign FA for a team friendly deal. Best possible outcome is that Freddie has a monster year and playoff and they let him walk. Second best is that he trades the guy and snags a FA replacement.

 

[member 300185]

Well, Hoffman would put up more points. I'd worry that the team would concede more goals against though with just Campbell and Dell in net.

Good points. But Campbell has been better than Freddy since he got here. Sometimes guys just need a chance. I'd be satisfied with Campbell as number one and Dell as the back up.
I really like the idea of another 30 goal man on the wings that is very fast and dogs the puck like a Hyman lite.

 

[thusk]

Im not telling can was

I forgot add that just like Andersen and the Leafs did in 2019 blowing that 3-2 series lead against Boston, in 2015 Andersen and Anaheim blew a 3-2 series lead against Chicago in the Western Conference Final. They did the same thing in 2016 against Nashville in the first round of the playoffs.

Im not telling andersen was perfect but he still a very good goalie who never played in front a good d in toronto.

But for me this season, defense will be by far the best d group of the last 15 years. If andersen unable to be very good with this group, it will be his last season in Toronto

 

[LeafsNation75]

You can do the right thing and the ouck still goes in net...

When the puck in the same situation and same position result as a save 999/1000, you can't tell its not the right thing because the puck goes in 1/1000

The difference is Andersen has a history of allowing bad goals at the wrong time during playoff games, especially elimination winner take all games.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Im not telling andersen was perfect but he still a very good goalie who never played in front a good d in toronto.

But for me this season, defense will be by far the best d group of the last 15 years. If andersen unable to be very good with this group, it will be his last season in Toronto

I will admit that Andersen has been the best Goalie they had since Ed Belfour and I don't think any of us will argue with that. However you can not deny his playoff struggles is something that goes back to his time with Anaheim and they have had better teams than Toronto prior to the 2016-17 season.

 

[thusk]

I will admit that Andersen has been the best Goalie they had since Ed Belfour and I don't think any of us will argue with that. However you can not deny his playoff struggles is something that goes back to his time with Anaheim and they have had better teams than Toronto prior to the 2016-17 season.

Yes im agree with it, im just not ready to put all the blame on his shoulder for defensive collapse when he always playing with a bad d except in anaheim.

And there a possibility andersen loose his starting role to campbell next season. But something we will be agree, andersen need to perform next season.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Yes im agree with it, im just not ready to put all the blame on his shoulder for defensive collapse when he always playing with a bad d except in anaheim.

And there a possibility andersen loose his starting role to campbell next season. But something we will be agree, andersen need to perform next season.

Yes without a doubt Andersen needs to perform next season.

Now if he can have stats like he did in the 2017-18 season and not collapse in the playoffs, they will be on the right track. That was the year when his record was 38-21-5 with a .918 SV%, 2.81 GAA and 5 shutouts. Plus he set a new Leafs record for wins by a Goalie in the regular season and was 4th in voting for the Vezina.

 

[Nineteen67]

Since that happened in overtime at that point it's 50/50 for either team to win. Now if that was Alex Ovechkin scoring the exact same way would you still have that same opinion, because it was Tom Wilson?

Plus I would say that Justin Williams overtime goal in Game 5 looked worse than Wilsons overtime goal in Game 1.

No. Tom Wilson happens to be one of my favourite player, but it was still a weak goal at an in opportune time.

With Andersen we’ve seen it before and we’ve seen it since

 

[LeafsNation75]

No. Tom Wilson happens to be one of my favourite player, but it was still a weak goal at an in opportune time.

With Andersen we’ve seen it before and we’ve seen it since

Right before that goal I remember Martin Marincin had a horrible give away, so that made it even worse.

 

[Buds17]

Good points. But Campbell has been better than Freddy since he got here. Sometimes guys just need a chance. I'd be satisfied with Campbell as number one and Dell as the back up.
I really like the idea of another 30 goal man on the wings that is very fast and dogs the puck like a Hyman lite.

Fair enough. Campbell's been solid as a Leaf. That does only cover six games though. At their best, a Campbell-Dell tandem would suffice for the 56 game season that we're hopefully getting. I just think everyone at goalie slots in a bit better with Andersen remaining in the fold. It provides a better cover for injuries/having to utilize depth as well. I believe Dell will play too, even as the third option in net. Hoffman absolutely improves the situation at forward. I'm just not sure if that's the biggest of team needs.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Fair enough. Campbell's been solid as a Leaf. That does only cover six games though. At their best, a Campbell-Dell tandem would suffice for the 56 game season that we're hopefully getting. I just think everyone at goalie slots in a bit better with Andersen remaining in the fold. It provides a better cover for injuries/having to utilize depth as well. I believe Dell will play too, even as the third option in net. Hoffman absolutely improves the situation at forward. I'm just not sure if that's the biggest of team needs.

Don't you mean Thornton because the Leafs never signed Hoffman.

 

[Buds17]

Don't you mean Thornton because the Leafs never signed Hoffman.

No. As a hypothetical, NovaLeaf brought up moving Andersen to accommodate a Hoffman signing.

 

[Confucius]

I will admit that Andersen has been the best Goalie they had since Ed Belfour and I don't think any of us will argue with that. However you can not deny his playoff struggles is something that goes back to his time with Anaheim and they have had better teams than Toronto prior to the 2016-17 season.

Just goes to show how bad our goalies were that's all.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Just goes to show how bad our goalies were that's all.

Before Andersen their only stable goaltending was from James Reimer, although he was never at the same level Andersen has been.

 

[TheGreatOne11]

The pucks in his hand. If he plays well and doesn't falter in the playoffs he will be rewarded another contract, if we get bounced in the first round again and he lets in another ugly playoff goal he's gone.

It's up to him, but regardless he's not the long term answer to the leafs net anymore, you don't sign a 32 year old goalie to a 5 year deal, they're just not worth it at that age and the amount of talent in the league at that position makes it so you don't need to heavily invest in a long term deal on a goalie at 32+.

If he can put it all together sure 3 years, he'll be asking north of 5 and any linger than that I don't see it having positive value, but I think this is all the cynic in me, and as much as I have enjoyed his talent he really has let in some blunders in the playoffs, can't debate it.

Hopefully with the best D we've had in years in front of him they can save him from his usual playoff random beach ball, just like he saves us all year in the regular season from all the defensive gaffs.

 

[Fogelhund]

Good points. But Campbell has been better than Freddy since he got here. Sometimes guys just need a chance. I'd be satisfied with Campbell as number one and Dell as the back up.
I really like the idea of another 30 goal man on the wings that is very fast and dogs the puck like a Hyman lite.

Campbell played SIX games here. That's not enough to make any conclusions on. This is a guy with 56 career NHL starts we are talking about here... I'm all for giving him a chance, in a head to head battle for #1, but you don't make this kind of bet that can easily sink the team, no matter how good the other parts are.

He isn't Hyman lite. He isn't good defensively, he isn't good 5v5.. really just a PP specialist. Plus the idea, that we should add another forward if we freed up cap space... Man, I just shake my head...

You know, if Campbell had a real track record, and more than SIX games with us... maybe, then you improve the D, not add a Forward that really doesn't help at all.

 

[hobarth]

You can never have enough good players, if you can't have and even better d then having better forwards might be a decent solution. Towards the end of last year TO was having trouble scoring even tho at the end of the year TO had the 3rd best # of goals scored.

Chicago Black Hawks won a Cup with Antti Niemi manning the net, I don't think anyone would consider him an all-star so decent goaltending is all a team needs to get into the playoffs and hot goaltending in the playoffs can lead to the Cup. Pitts. won a Cup with a rookie goaltender, he was hot and now he's a Senator at the ripe old age of 26.

 

[LeafsNation75]

You can never have enough good players, if you can't have and even better d then having better forwards might be a decent solution. Towards the end of last year TO was having trouble scoring even tho at the end of the year TO had the 3rd best # of goals scored.

Chicago Black Hawks won a Cup with Antti Niemi manning the net, I don't think anyone would consider him an all-star so decent goaltending is all a team needs to get into the playoffs and hot goaltending in the playoffs can lead to the Cup. Pitts. won a Cup with a rookie goaltender, he was hot and now he's a Senator at the ripe old age of 26.

The Blackhawks is what we want the Leafs to become, instead of saying how Matthews and Marner are similar to Toews and Kane. There is only so many times we can compare their stats since they also have won the Stanley Cup in 2010, 2013, and 2015. So maybe you can say they won despite Niemi not putting up the greatest stats for a Goalie.

As for the Penguins yes they won in 2016 and 2017 since for whatever reason Matt Murray was still considered a rookie both those years. However they still had Sidney Crosby and Evgeni Malkin, so maybe there is a chance they win those Cups with Marc-Andre Fleury if he had to replace Murray in the Finals.

 

[Anthrax442]

The only goal he allowed in Game 1 during the 3rd period when the score was still 0-0 was a bad one and a shot he needs to stop 100% of the time.



I also hated the second goal he allowed in Game 5, even if the Leafs screwed up on their line change right before it happened.



Finally 1 year earlier in Game 7 against Boston, he allowed a bad goal in the 1st period to give Boston a 1-0 lead.

Also the Leafs sould have scored more goals.

 

[Beaumaris]

Trade for assets or let him walk. He’s going to be too expensive to resign

Why on earth would we want to resign him?

 

[ottomaddox]

I smell the makings of a scapegoat thread...

 

[hobarth]

I think the scapegoat in all of this is covid, having 3 players making $11 mill. per should've been doable when the Cap kept rising.

 

[justashadowof]

If that was Auston Matthews scoring that Atkinson goal, no one in their right mind would suggest that it was a bad goal. That shot went through a spot that's every goalie's weak spot if you can hit it (under the blocker arm near the body). That was a goal scorer's goal. That guy averaged 33 goals a season in his previous 3 seasons.

The Foudy goal was bad but take a look at the long angle. There was an uncovered Blue Jacket in the slot who I'm sure Andersen thought would end up taking the shot.

 

[Srsly]

Lehner has better career stats, better recent stats, better playoff stats, and is 29 years old. Andersen will be 32 when his next contract kicks in.

If Lehner was 5 years X 5M, Andersen should be like 3-4 years X 4-4.5M. I wouldn't do 5 years X 5M, let alone anything above that. So if he's willing to sign a reasonable deal, sure. If not, then we need to look elsewhere. We don't have the cap flexibility to risk it.

Lehner’s value was lowered by the old boys mentality amongst NHL clubs and his former battles with addiction and mental health. I don’t necessarily agree with them valuing him as less but he’s frequently taken discounts around the league since his documented struggles with Buffalo.