Andersen decision looming for Leafs
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Stephen
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I thought this past offseason was a good chance to jump on the goalie carousel and snag either Markstrom or Holtby and dump Andersen, but I guess we are in a holding pattern to see what Freddie can achieve this season. If we reach 5x strikes and you're out with this guy, I think we need to vulture another team for a potential expansion depth chart crunch. Guys like Merzlikins, Korpisalo, Georgiev remain viable options.
We are developing 2 guys who have a good chance to make it ... I would stay away from all those guys you mentioned ... let's get a Holtby, Crawford, Quick, Binner, Murray winner type guy ... only other winner past 10 years was Vasi but he is way too much CAP $$$ for us ... 9 out of last 10 years we had North American goalers clutch type guy winners ... Freddy is dead here ... not sure why we did not trade him this summer ... it would have been smart move unless of course as I suspect no one wanted him
Al14
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I think Andersen was as good as gone in the summer, if there had been any takers. If we the fans can see that he is not clutch, other teams management can too.
LeafsNation75
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If Dubas saw a trade he thought would help where the Leafs gave up Andersen wouldn't it have been for another Goalie coming back instead of trying to sign Markstrom or Holtby? Unlike in 2018 when they were able to talk with John Tavares about signing with them, this year the NHL got rid of the 5 day negotiating week where teams can talk with other UFA's before free agency officially started.
Judas Tavares
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For me, those poor stretches in the regular season don't bug me nearly as much as the poor goals in the playoffs when you don't have the next month to recover.
All goalies let in poor goals and every goalie has let in poor goals at critical times. It's really hard to lay the blame on the goalie for that, but when it happens as often as it has for Andersen, you start to question if this is a mental thing, and whether it is one too many strikes.
It goes back all the way to the Washington series. Wilson with an OT floater from the boards. There were a couple other wonky goals that series but it wasn't a horrible one for him. The 2 Boston series sometimes mesh together. He had his ups and downs. But the Debrusk goal in game 7 (even though Gardiner was being his foolish self as per usual) and the Nordstrom goal in next year's game 7. Then the Atkninson goal and then the Foudy goal.
At this point, it's one too many. And I am an Andersen backer. But it just feels like its time for a change.
I also have concerns for two particular goals he tends to let in. There's the Nordstrom/Foudy goal. Low right side faceoff circle or even at the goal line. As well as two on ones, which yes, can't all be blamed on him. But the right wing snipe from the right slot/circle over the glove. We've lost a ton of OT games from that shot alone.
I think he is a good enough goalie to win you a cup for sure. He needs his team to play properly in front of him. But he needs some timely saves as well.
All goalies let in poor goals and every goalie has let in poor goals at critical times. It's really hard to lay the blame on the goalie for that, but when it happens as often as it has for Andersen, you start to question if this is a mental thing, and whether it is one too many strikes.
It goes back all the way to the Washington series. Wilson with an OT floater from the boards. There were a couple other wonky goals that series but it wasn't a horrible one for him. The 2 Boston series sometimes mesh together. He had his ups and downs. But the Debrusk goal in game 7 (even though Gardiner was being his foolish self as per usual) and the Nordstrom goal in next year's game 7. Then the Atkninson goal and then the Foudy goal.
At this point, it's one too many. And I am an Andersen backer. But it just feels like its time for a change.
I also have concerns for two particular goals he tends to let in. There's the Nordstrom/Foudy goal. Low right side faceoff circle or even at the goal line. As well as two on ones, which yes, can't all be blamed on him. But the right wing snipe from the right slot/circle over the glove. We've lost a ton of OT games from that shot alone.
I think he is a good enough goalie to win you a cup for sure. He needs his team to play properly in front of him. But he needs some timely saves as well.
LeafsNation75
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This is actually weird about the Nortdstrom goal during Game 7 in 2019 and the Foudy goal during Game 5 in 2020. When you look them up on YouTube the thumbnail for both those goals looks exactly the same.
ottomaddox
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Cookie cutter reaction by Hughson: absolutely elated when the other team beats TOR or scores on them.
BertCorbeau
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He's a very solid starter. You could obviously do better, but you could obviously do a lot worse. Unfortunately he hasn't risen to the occasion to show he can steal a playoff series.
Bringing him back depends on his cost, but it should be a viable option.
Barring a trade, here are your UFA options:
Browse - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps
Rask might be interesting on short term deal... Binnington likely costs more due to him winning a cup and his age (and is a big risk that he could bust); Rinne and Dubnyk aren't upgrades as they're past their prime these days and are likely best in a tandem situation;
Grubauer might be the best option to have success but Colorado probably retains him.
The rest aren't clear cut starters either.
Bringing him back depends on his cost, but it should be a viable option.
Barring a trade, here are your UFA options:
Browse - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps
Rask might be interesting on short term deal... Binnington likely costs more due to him winning a cup and his age (and is a big risk that he could bust); Rinne and Dubnyk aren't upgrades as they're past their prime these days and are likely best in a tandem situation;
Grubauer might be the best option to have success but Colorado probably retains him.
The rest aren't clear cut starters either.
Judas Tavares
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Yep. And he's let in some like that in the regular season as well. I have no idea how those pucks get through.
Martin Skoula
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It's a bad sign if you bring up "the really really ugly playoff goal that Andersen let in from a 3rd liner off the goal line" and the only real answer is "which time?".
You know, that really ugly goal that the grinder scored on him unscreened from the boards near the blue line, Foudy.. or Wilson.. or DeBrusk?
You know, that really ugly goal that the grinder scored on him unscreened from the boards near the blue line, Foudy.. or Wilson.. or DeBrusk?
saffronleaf
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I don't think we can get past the first round with Freddy in net. Even if we had some powerhouse team it wouldn't be possible.
If one trades Freddy what does one get back for him? Who is available who is an upgrade? If some team in our division offers us a 2nd rounder, is that worth it? After we paid a first just to dump Marleau I'm giving the Hurricanes any deals. Most likely the offers aren't very high given he is UFA soon. Looks like we run with him.
I dont trust Anderson at all. Those 2 goals above are at the top of my list, he choked in the moment, wasnt focused. U could have Bobby Orr and Nick Lidstrom on defense but how can u prevent goals like that when Freddy Anderson has a fragile mindset in net.
nuck
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I would have dealt for Kuemper for the extra year at $4.5 but I think the ask was too high. I dont believe Freddy cant win, I am just not sure about the economics of resigning him. I expect him to have a bounce back year so not too disappointed this.
Insider Trading: Columbus Blue Jackets weighing options on coveted centre Pierre Luc-Dubois - TSN.ca
A number of key players are going into the final year of their contracts, including Maple Leafs goalie Frederik Andersen. Anything new on that front?
LeBrun: It's my understanding that the two sides have not talked about his contract since July, so it's been quite a while and crickets since then. But, I think both sides are comfortable with that. Now, of note Freddy Andersen's agent is Claude Lemieux and his track record normally is not to negotiate during the season for a client of his that's a pending UFA. He think it's a distraction. Does it mean he couldn't make an exception if the Leafs come to the table mid-season with something that Freddy Andersen is really excited about? But for now, the idea is that both sides are comfortable that he starts the year and perhaps plays out his contract.
A number of key players are going into the final year of their contracts, including Maple Leafs goalie Frederik Andersen. Anything new on that front?
LeBrun: It's my understanding that the two sides have not talked about his contract since July, so it's been quite a while and crickets since then. But, I think both sides are comfortable with that. Now, of note Freddy Andersen's agent is Claude Lemieux and his track record normally is not to negotiate during the season for a client of his that's a pending UFA. He think it's a distraction. Does it mean he couldn't make an exception if the Leafs come to the table mid-season with something that Freddy Andersen is really excited about? But for now, the idea is that both sides are comfortable that he starts the year and perhaps plays out his contract.
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zeke
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As the biggest Andersen realist/critic here since the day we got him, I have to say there is no "looming" decision.
If Freddy wants to paid significantly more at age 32, he'll be on a different team.
If he's happy with about the same caphit, he may or may not stay.
If he really wants to stay, he'll sign for a little less for a little more term.
He's a good goalie, but not irreplaceable, and Dubey will be happy to go after a cheaper guy to split duties with Campbell next year
If Freddy wants to paid significantly more at age 32, he'll be on a different team.
If he's happy with about the same caphit, he may or may not stay.
If he really wants to stay, he'll sign for a little less for a little more term.
He's a good goalie, but not irreplaceable, and Dubey will be happy to go after a cheaper guy to split duties with Campbell next year
Let's hope Soup gets da opener and gets on a roll ... I am so tired of watching Freddy have bad starts and finishes to every year ... we are actually paying Soup more than Freddy this season ... and still hope we can unload him mid season for our 1st round pick back we lost
Stats are always in flux, as soon as you find a stat worth exploiting so will the other teams, so within a season you're cutting edge advantage is old news. Stats will be a moving target for now and the rest of time, your only hope is to be one season ahead, as adaption will happen fast.
Andersen confident contract talks with Maple Leafs won't be distraction - NHL.com
Frederik Andersen said there has been some discussions about a contract extension with the Toronto Maple Leafs but vowed the situation will not distract him on the ice.
"I try not to think about it actually," the goalie said Friday. "The main focus has just been to go day by day here with the team, raise our levels, the standards, and I think that's everyone. That's just really been the focus."
"I know by doing that I'm going to get the best opportunities in the future. And this year is the main focus."
Andersen will play the final season of a five-year contract he signed with Toronto on June 20, 2016, and can become an unrestricted free agent after the season.
He was 29-13-7 in 52 games last season. His 2.85 goals-against average was the highest of his seven NHL seasons, and his .909 save percentage was the lowest. He was 2-3 with a 1.84 GAA and .936 save percentage against the Columbus Blue Jackets in the best-of-5 Stanley Cup Qualifiers.
Andersen is fifth in wins (136), third in save percentage (.916; minimum 100 games) and seventh in games (244) among Maple Leafs goalies, but is 10-14 in 25 games in the Stanley Cup Playoffs.
General manager Kyle Dubas has not discussed Andersen's contract situation this offseason. In October, he addressed reports that emerged after the Maple Leafs were eliminated by the Blue Jackets suggesting he was fielding trade calls on Andersen.
"I know where the [Andersen] speculation started and comes from, and rather than address it publicly or be hostile about it, I just addressed it directly with Fred," Dubas said then. "So he and I have had many discussions over the last month or so about that. So he knows where we stand directly."
Toronto coach Sheldon Keefe said he doesn't think Andersen's contract situation will effect his play.
"Distractions are really what you make of them," Keefe said. "It's a matter of distributing your focus, controlling what you can control. Whether it's your contract year or not, that's the message to our team: Block out the noise and focus on what we can control every single day. That's all that really matters."
"We don't expect any distractions. That's on us to manage that."
Frederik Andersen said there has been some discussions about a contract extension with the Toronto Maple Leafs but vowed the situation will not distract him on the ice.
"I try not to think about it actually," the goalie said Friday. "The main focus has just been to go day by day here with the team, raise our levels, the standards, and I think that's everyone. That's just really been the focus."
"I know by doing that I'm going to get the best opportunities in the future. And this year is the main focus."
Andersen will play the final season of a five-year contract he signed with Toronto on June 20, 2016, and can become an unrestricted free agent after the season.
He was 29-13-7 in 52 games last season. His 2.85 goals-against average was the highest of his seven NHL seasons, and his .909 save percentage was the lowest. He was 2-3 with a 1.84 GAA and .936 save percentage against the Columbus Blue Jackets in the best-of-5 Stanley Cup Qualifiers.
Andersen is fifth in wins (136), third in save percentage (.916; minimum 100 games) and seventh in games (244) among Maple Leafs goalies, but is 10-14 in 25 games in the Stanley Cup Playoffs.
General manager Kyle Dubas has not discussed Andersen's contract situation this offseason. In October, he addressed reports that emerged after the Maple Leafs were eliminated by the Blue Jackets suggesting he was fielding trade calls on Andersen.
"I know where the [Andersen] speculation started and comes from, and rather than address it publicly or be hostile about it, I just addressed it directly with Fred," Dubas said then. "So he and I have had many discussions over the last month or so about that. So he knows where we stand directly."
Toronto coach Sheldon Keefe said he doesn't think Andersen's contract situation will effect his play.
"Distractions are really what you make of them," Keefe said. "It's a matter of distributing your focus, controlling what you can control. Whether it's your contract year or not, that's the message to our team: Block out the noise and focus on what we can control every single day. That's all that really matters."
"We don't expect any distractions. That's on us to manage that."
well without a deal for next year, On those dreary days that popup during a season, at least we know he won't be just mailing it in.
Cobra777
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He is simply not consistent in playoffs most people notice this and Belfour was another brilliant goaltender reg season but lost in playoffs for our team, best goalie we had for playoffs was the cat Potvin who delivered and stood on his head when needed and was the huge difference
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Cobra777
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How do you know this? While in L.A Quick was the starter, came here and Andy is the starter they both got the bulk of most of the games. The games I saw Campbell play his style is very sound and he made incredible stops, he just needs the rythym of starting games. He is also very calm and pats his defense with his stick continually all game even when they blunder. Nothing wrong with giving him games in a row to see what we have. He did not let in easy goals which is one thing I could say
Cobra777
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yes agreed Freddy played very respectable that series mabe just a couple saves from victory
LeafsNation75
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I would say that Curtis Joseph and Potvin were both equally good for the Leafs in the playoffs before they had Ed Belfour. Like Potvin did taking Toronto to the 1993 and 1994 Western Conference Final, Joseph took Toronto to the 1999 and 2002 Eastern Conference Final.
