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hobarth said:
I think the scapegoat in all of this is covid, having 3 players making $11 mill. per should've been doable when the Cap kept rising.
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Once again the Leafs are victims of shit timing when it comes to these contracts. A few years earlier and the contracts for the Big Three would’ve been cheaper and more team friendly. A few years later and they would’ve been cheaper just due to COVID. In typical Leafs fashion, those contracts came up right in the middle of those time periods and were signed during a time when players and agents were getting ballsier and asking for the world earlier in their careers.
 
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justashadowof said:
If that was Auston Matthews scoring that Atkinson goal, no one in their right mind would suggest that it was a bad goal. That shot went through a spot that's every goalie's weak spot if you can hit it (under the blocker arm near the body). That was a goal scorer's goal. That guy averaged 33 goals a season in his previous 3 seasons.

The Foudy goal was bad but take a look at the long angle. There was an uncovered Blue Jacket in the slot who I'm sure Andersen thought would end up taking the shot.
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If that was Auston Matthews scoring the exact same goal like Cam Atkinson did, no Leafs fans would complain about it being a bad goal since they would have been leading. Maybe that sounds hypocritical but it's the truth. Except we have seen the history of Frederik Andersen allowing bad goals like that in the playoffs.
 
What is a bad goal?

I seen Bernier miss a shot from center ice, he was booed and the tv commentators gave him a very critical review, a week later one of the best goalies at that time whiffed on a Leaf center ice shot, little was said. That was the only center ice shot that I seen Bernier let in that year.

We hear that bad goalies cause the entire team to play differently, more tentatively, I wonder if a goalie has a bad d in front of him is his ability to concentrate on the now compromised, he instead has to worry about where everyone on the ice is in a 1 second moment in time.

Luongo let in 1 goal during the playoffs and Van. lost the game 1-0, to the fan that goal looked stoppable so he was considered a choker, a bad goalie by many, he had faced around 30 shots in that game.
 
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hobarth said:
What is a bad goal?

I seen Bernier miss a shot from center ice, he was booed and the tv commentators gave him a very critical review, a week later one of the best goalies at that time whiffed on a Leaf center ice shot, little was said. That was the only center ice shot that I seen Bernier let in that year.

We hear that bad goalies cause the entire team to play differently, more tentatively, I wonder if a goalie has a bad d in front of him is his ability to concentrate on the now compromised, he instead has to worry about where everyone on the ice is in a 1 second moment in time.

Luongo let in 1 goal during the playoffs and Van. lost the game 1-0, to the fan that goal looked stoppable so he was considered a choker, a bad goalie by many, he had faced around 30 shots in that game.
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When any Goalie lets in a shot from centre ice that's a bad goal.

However a bad goal can also happen because the Goalies positioning in his net.

For example this was the 5-4 goal Jake DeBrusk scored in Game 7 against Toronto in 2018 that was the difference. Now on this play Jake Gardiner was responsible for playing out of position, however it's a goal that Andersen would have wanted back and not allowed to get past him.

 
Was that a bad goal, Anderson looked to be anticipating his outside to inside move so his 5 hole was open, his stick was down and his legs slightly apart.

What I really liked about that was Gardiner taking away the inside move by boding DeBrusk, something I'd like to see Rielly do. What I didn't like is Kadri coasting back, puck watching.
 
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hobarth said:
Was that a bad goal, Anderson looked to be anticipating his outside to inside move so his 5 hole was open, his stick was down and his legs slightly apart.

What I really liked about that was Gardiner taking away the inside move by boding DeBrusk, something I'd like to see Rielly do. What I didn't like is Kadri coasting back, puck watching.
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On the Sportsnet broadcast Craig Simpson was saying it's a goal against that Andersen wished he could get back.
 
LeafsNation75 said:
On the Sportsnet broadcast Craig Simpson was saying it's a goal against that Andersen wished he could get back.
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Ya, that's something he could say and it came from someone who has never played goal his whole life for sure in the NHL, probably.
 
hobarth said:
Ya, that's something he could say and it came from someone who has never played goal his whole life for sure in the NHL, probably.
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Well Simpson played in the NHL and would know what a bad goal looks like. I've played goal for 18 years and yes that's a bad goal. Thats a five hole goal from 15+ feet out with pressure from a defender. Not even a hard shot at that. An NHL goalie should not be giving up that kind of goal. Especially in the playoffs.
 
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If there is one positive for Andersen going into this season it's his record against the other Canadian teams which is currently at these numbers.

Ottawa: 7-4-2, SV% .891, GAA 3.23

Montreal: 7-3-2, SV% .923, GAA 2.57

Winnipeg: 9-0-2, SV% .910, GAA 2.84

Calgary: 8-2-2-, SV% .918, GAA 2.44

Edmonton: 12-0-1, SV% .928, GAA 2.24

Vancouver: 10-2-5, SV% .942, GAA 2.55
 
Bomber0104 said:
He'll make an excellent scapegoat to pin all our team's issues on this season.

Basically the new Babcock...
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A team whose entire identity is as an offensive powerhouse scores 9 regulation time goals in 5 games and we're talking about the goalie.
 
justashadowof said:
A team whose entire identity is as an offensive powerhouse scores 9 regulation time goals in 5 games and we're talking about the goalie.
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I learned from the guy that posts Jeffler tweets that the reason the Leafs couldn't score is because they were too worried about Andersen letting in a soft goal.

I think he was serious too.
 
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Bomber0104 said:
I learned from the guy that posts Jeffler tweets that the reason the Leafs couldn't score is because they were too worried about Andersen letting in a soft goal.

I think he was serious too.
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You know NHL players and coaches themselves have said when you don't have confidence in your goalie it impacts the entire team...

I'm not saying that's what happened here, but it's a concept that many players(including goalies) and coaches have cited.
 
Bomber0104 said:
I learned from the guy that posts Jeffler tweets that the reason the Leafs couldn't score is because they were too worried about Andersen letting in a soft goal.

I think he was serious too.
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One would think that with all that elite skill up front and offensive dmen like Rielly and Barrie on the backend, this team could afford to give up a few "bad" goals against an offensivly challenged CBJ team. Perhaps if we switched to Soup, it would have shed that worry and they would have lit up Korpi and Elvis.
 
X66 said:
You know NHL players and coaches themselves have said when you don't have confidence in your goalie it impacts the entire team...

I'm not saying that's what happened here, but it's a concept that many players(including goalies) and coaches have cited.
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I'd like to think our team isn't that mentally weak.

Or maybe they are and that's why Dubas went out of his way this off-season to acquire veteran presence (Thornton/Simmonds/Bogo)?
 
X66 said:
You know NHL players and coaches themselves have said when you don't have confidence in your goalie it impacts the entire team...

I'm not saying that's what happened here, but it's a concept that many players(including goalies) and coaches have cited.
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I don't necessarily disagree with that thought, but it has more to do with a goalie like Hutchinson than a goalie like Andersen.
 
Jimmy Firecracker said:
Once again the Leafs are victims of shit timing when it comes to these contracts. A few years earlier and the contracts for the Big Three would’ve been cheaper and more team friendly. A few years later and they would’ve been cheaper just due to COVID. In typical Leafs fashion, those contracts came up right in the middle of those time periods and were signed during a time when players and agents were getting ballsier and asking for the world earlier in their careers.
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Could have signed shorter contracts. As it was Dubas gave in to Matthews and marner on term. How good would three year deals look?
 
Bomber0104 said:
I'd like to think our team isn't that mentally weak.

Or maybe they are and that's why Dubas went out of his way this off-season to acquire veteran presence (Thornton/Simmonds/Bogo)?
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They are mentally weak. Dubas basically said as much in interviews. Talked about how they don't know how to compete for 50-50 pucks. That's mental weakness.
 
justashadowof said:
A team whose entire identity is as an offensive powerhouse scores 9 regulation time goals in 5 games and we're talking about the goalie.
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True story. Very rarely discussed in the market (other than by me). And how many of those were 5 on 5? Not many.

The series was a pretty dominant win by Columbus. The empty net fiasco will always make the series seem closer than it was.

The uninformed will claim it was Columbus goaltending, but Torts makes his team play a style that supports the goalie and makes them look better. Theres a reason Bobs looked average when he left Torts and went to a team that plays a similar style to the Leafs. Babs was trying to implement that type of mentality. It resulted in Andersen having far more success under Babs than he did with Keefe and his undisciplined system.
 
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