Andersen decision looming for Leafs

[Fogelhund]

The real problem here isn't failure of the cap, it's failure to draft well at the position over the course of Andersen's contract. Not re-signing a non-elite player shouldn't "loom" to this degree.

I get what you are saying, but there is only one goaltender drafted, that is currently playing full time in the NHL, that was drafted over the course of Andersen's contract. One, out of all of the teams... and that's Carter Hart. The runway for developing goalies, is longer than that time period... it still points to an organizational weakness of course, just the time horizon needs expansion.

 

[LeafsNation75]

This was foreshadowing......If the Leafs make the playoffs he can’t keep letting these in.

Are you able to post this video again? There is a message before playing it saying it's not available to be seen in your country, so it's blocked in Canada.

 

[Morbo]

I get what you are saying, but there is only one goaltender drafted, that is currently playing full time in the NHL, that was drafted over the course of Andersen's contract. One, out of all of the teams... and that's Carter Hart. The runway for developing goalies, is longer than that time period... it still points to an organizational weakness of course, just the time horizon needs expansion.

the difference between having a goalie who even looks like he'll play in the NHL in this situation and not is spending less on his replacement because you've got guy X coming and you don't need to overcommit to a vet.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Babcock and Lou built teams that supported their goalie better. Dubas and Keefe build a team that leads the goalie to fend for himself. Not shockingly, the results are far worse under Dubas and co.

Babcock is the one who hung Andersen out to dry with his only playing their #2 on the second night of a back to back no matter what, like with Garret Sparks in the 2018-19 season. Yes the responsibility was on Dubas to get a good back up to Andersen. However that only put more pressure on Andersen.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

I agree with everything you say here... I know I've repeated this a bunch of times... but, we pay some guys to be elite, and they've been shut down too many times. At some point, we can't keep saying, we got beat by a hot goalie... Why do we always face hot goalies? Why do they stop being hot, when they play the next team? These guys just have to find a way to score, and win... you know that.

Yep we can't be coming on TV after da game and Matty and JT saying they got stoned ... you gotta figure out a way to score ... my point was whether it is Holtby or Rask and now Korpisalo somehow they are all beating Freddy ... none of those series were 1 team killing da other but in each case Freddy comes out da loser every time ... da law of numbers would say he should win at least 1 of those 8 right?

 

[LeafsNation75]

Yep we can't be coming on TV after da game and Matty and JT saying they got stoned ... you gotta figure out a way to score ... my point was whether it is Holtby or Rask and now Korpisalo somehow they are all beating Freddy ... none of those series were 1 team killing da other but in each case Freddy comes out da loser every time ... da law of numbers would say he should win at least 1 of those 8 right?

When you look at the series against Washington in 2017 that one was a toss up since 5/6 games went to overtime. Game 4 was the one that ended in regulation and the Leafs still lost by 1 goal. In fact I think it's the only series where Andersen didn't allow a bad goal compared to 2018, 2019, or 2020.

 

[Fogelhund]

Yep we can't be coming on TV after da game and Matty and JT saying they got stoned ... you gotta figure out a way to score ... my point was whether it is Holtby or Rask and now Korpisalo somehow they are all beating Freddy ... none of those series were 1 team killing da other but in each case Freddy comes out da loser every time ... da law of numbers would say he should win at least 1 of those 8 right?

Yup... we have this year to figure it out, and EVERYONE has to play harder, and better. If we are talking about this after failing to advance at all, again next year, then they need to look hard at the players, and who is willing to win, and who isn't. It's hard for us to tell from here, but I'd bet you'd agree, it isn't hard to tell from within.

 

[The CyNick]

Babcock is the one who hung Andersen out to dry with his only playing their #2 on the second night of a back to back no matter what, like with Garret Sparks in the 2018-19 season. Yes the responsibility was on Dubas to get a good back up to Andersen. However that only put more pressure on Andersen.

Data presented in the post suggests Andersen performed better under Babcock. It would further suggest the issue you laid out didn't hinder his performance. Maybe Babcock knew what he's doing.

Or maybe this is just more bad analytics. Hard to say which it is.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Data presented in the post suggests Andersen performed better under Babcock. It would further suggest the issue you laid out didn't hinder his performance. Maybe Babcock knew what he's doing.

Or maybe this is just more bad analytics. Hard to say which it is.

Andersen has also played more games under Babcock compared to Keefe, so maybe that's the reason for that.

 

[The CyNick]

Andersen has also played more games under Babcock compared to Keefe, so maybe that's the reason for that.

Could be. Let's see how he fares this season

 

[thusk]

I don't even believe in stats at all. I totally go off of my eye test. I realize that there are times when that causes errors in judgement but again rewatch game 1. Matty's 2 chances in 2nd, Mitch's chance in 1st and JT's chance in 3rd were all directly in front of Korpisalo with no one in between. All were in kill zone blue ice. All where Korpisalo had to make a quick and great move to get to puck to make save ie. no one hit him in chest with any of those 3 chances. They were all prime time 10 beller chances. None of shots were flubbed. All 3 should have been expected goals. We should have been winning 3-0. But Korpisalo played superman and made 3 saves which even Price does not make. Matty scores those 2 almost every single time and he made great shots on both chances but got completely stoned. The one where Korpisalo comes across net in splits and grabs blast with his glove in top corner common man that was by FAR best save of da entire playoffs of any series. And all we asked of our guy is to make da regular normal ho hum everyday save which he missed one. 1 softie and that's game. I suggest you truly watch game over again. This was blatantly obvious. Sure he made a good follow on da Dubois breakaway but honest he went to his backhand and tried to deke and shove it under pad. Yes it was a breakaway but it was a standard save. There was a great chance late in 2nd where he came across crease and made a 10 beller on da forehand. I stood up and applauded just like you did. But it was 1 10 beller save. Korpisalo made 3 of those.

I don't even believe in stats at all. I totally go off of my eye test. I realize that there are times when that causes errors in judgement but again rewatch game 1. Matty's 2 chances in 2nd, Mitch's chance in 1st and JT's chance in 3rd were all directly in front of Korpisalo with no one in between. All were in kill zone blue ice. All where Korpisalo had to make a quick and great move to get to puck to make save ie. no one hit him in chest with any of those 3 chances. They were all prime time 10 beller chances. None of shots were flubbed. All 3 should have been expected goals. We should have been winning 3-0. But Korpisalo played superman and made 3 saves which even Price does not make. Matty scores those 2 almost every single time and he made great shots on both chances but got completely stoned. The one where Korpisalo comes across net in splits and grabs blast with his glove in top corner common man that was by FAR best save of da entire playoffs of any series. And all we asked of our guy is to make da regular normal ho hum everyday save which he missed one. 1 softie and that's game. I suggest you truly watch game over again. This was blatantly obvious. Sure he made a good follow on da Dubois breakaway but honest he went to his backhand and tried to deke and shove it under pad. Yes it was a breakaway but it was a standard save. There was a great chance late in 2nd where he came across crease and made a 10 beller on da forehand. I stood up and applauded just like you did. But it was 1 10 beller save. Korpisalo made 3 of those.

I don't even believe in stats at all. I totally go off of my eye test. I realize that there are times when that causes errors in judgement but again rewatch game 1. Matty's 2 chances in 2nd, Mitch's chance in 1st and JT's chance in 3rd were all directly in front of Korpisalo with no one in between. All were in kill zone blue ice. All where Korpisalo had to make a quick and great move to get to puck to make save ie. no one hit him in chest with any of those 3 chances. They were all prime time 10 beller chances. None of shots were flubbed. All 3 should have been expected goals. We should have been winning 3-0. But Korpisalo played superman and made 3 saves which even Price does not make. Matty scores those 2 almost every single time and he made great shots on both chances but got completely stoned. The one where Korpisalo comes across net in splits and grabs blast with his glove in top corner common man that was by FAR best save of da entire playoffs of any series. And all we asked of our guy is to make da regular normal ho hum everyday save which he missed one. 1 softie and that's game. I suggest you truly watch game over again. This was blatantly obvious. Sure he made a good follow on da Dubois breakaway but honest he went to his backhand and tried to deke and shove it under pad. Yes it was a breakaway but it was a standard save. There was a great chance late in 2nd where he came across crease and made a 10 beller on da forehand. I stood up and applauded just like you did. But it was 1 10 beller save. Korpisalo made 3 of those.

Inwill just take gm 3 as exemple. Leafs taking 3-0 lead and jacket come back, its pretty easy to blame andersen and that one but look how lrafs played in front of him during the third period? Who's pressing puck holder? No body! They play the entire third period very very passive but toronto was not equipped to play that kind of game because dman wasn't enought good. So result jacket dominated completly leafs during that period and were everywhere on the ice and finally won it. Jones goal how long he got the puck before his shot?

Just imagine leafs keep preassure, never columbus came back in that game and pretty sure leafs won that series if they won that game. Why they change how they played, dont have any confident about her defence. This game was turning point.

Leafs d was the problem or you will need to explain me why andersen was really good in playoff with anaheim but really bad in toronto if its not how the team played in front of him?

0,921% save, 2,14 gaa 14 win, 7 lost with ducks
Vs 2,78 gaa in toronto, 0,916% save 10 win, 14 lost

Or Why bobrovsky was vezina winner with columbus but one of worst starting goalie in florida if its not the team in front of him?

 

[LeafsNation75]

Inwill just take gm 3 as exemple. Leafs taking 3-0 lead and jacket come back, its pretty easy to blame andersen and that one but look how lrafs played in front of him during the third period? Who's pressing puck holder? No body! They play the entire third period very very passive but toronto was not equipped to play that kind of game because dman wasn't enought good. So result jacket dominated completly leafs during that period and were everywhere on the ice and finally won it. Jones goal how long he got the puck before his shot?

Just imagine leafs keep preassure, never columbus came back in that game and pretty sure leafs won that series if they won that game. Why they change how they played, dont have any confident about her defence. This game was turning point.

Leafs d was the problem or you will need to explain me why andersen was really good in playoff with anaheim but really bad in toronto if its not how the team played in front of him?

0,921% save, 2,14 gaa 14 win, 7 lost with ducks
Vs 2,78 gaa in toronto, 0,916% save 10 win, 14 lost

Or Why bobrovsky was vezina winner with columbus but one of worst starting goalie in florida if its not the team in front of him?

You talk about the Leafs blowing Game 3, using that same logic after they came back from their own 3-0 deficit late in the 3rd period in Game 4 and won in overtime, how come they could not carry the momentum going into Game 5?

 

[Nineteen67]

Are you able to post this video again? There is a message before playing it saying it's not available to be seen in your country, so it's blocked in Canada.

It’s the Wilson OT goal in game 1...

 

[Doublerum1975]

I think its time to move on hopefully he proves me wrong and plays lights out

 

[LeafsNation75]

It’s the Wilson OT goal in game 1...

Since that happened in overtime at that point it's 50/50 for either team to win. Now if that was Alex Ovechkin scoring the exact same way would you still have that same opinion, because it was Tom Wilson?

Plus I would say that Justin Williams overtime goal in Game 5 looked worse than Wilsons overtime goal in Game 1.

 

[stickty111]

Inwill just take gm 3 as exemple. Leafs taking 3-0 lead and jacket come back, its pretty easy to blame andersen and that one but look how lrafs played in front of him during the third period? Who's pressing puck holder? No body! They play the entire third period very very passive but toronto was not equipped to play that kind of game because dman wasn't enought good. So result jacket dominated completly leafs during that period and were everywhere on the ice and finally won it. Jones goal how long he got the puck before his shot?

Just imagine leafs keep preassure, never columbus came back in that game and pretty sure leafs won that series if they won that game. Why they change how they played, dont have any confident about her defence. This game was turning point.

Leafs d was the problem or you will need to explain me why andersen was really good in playoff with anaheim but really bad in toronto if its not how the team played in front of him?

0,921% save, 2,14 gaa 14 win, 7 lost with ducks
Vs 2,78 gaa in toronto, 0,916% save 10 win, 14 lost

Or Why bobrovsky was vezina winner with columbus but one of worst starting goalie in florida if its not the team in front of him?

Incorrect. Andersen allowed bad goals at the wrong times, and it cost the team. Thats just a fact.
Also Andersen failed in game 7's with Anaheim too, so lets stop with the "it's all the Leafs defense's fault".

 

[LeafsNation75]

Incorrect. Andersen allowed bad goals at the wrong times, and it cost the team. Thats just a fact.
Also Andersen failed in game 7's with Anaheim too, so lets stop with the "it's all the Leafs defense's fault".

Including his time with Anaheim and Toronto, Andersen is 0-8 in winner take all series games.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Incorrect. Andersen allowed bad goals at the wrong times, and it cost the team. Thats just a fact.
Also Andersen failed in game 7's with Anaheim too, so lets stop with the "it's all the Leafs defense's fault".

I forgot add that just like Andersen and the Leafs did in 2019 blowing that 3-2 series lead against Boston, in 2015 Andersen and Anaheim blew a 3-2 series lead against Chicago in the Western Conference Final. They did the same thing in 2016 against Nashville in the first round of the playoffs.

 

[Brown Dog]

I don't see any scenario where committing multiple years to Andersen works out well.

 

[thusk]

Incorrect. Andersen allowed bad goals at the wrong times, and it cost the team. Thats just a fact.
Also Andersen failed in game 7's with Anaheim too, so lets stop with the "it's all the Leafs defense's fault".

Younprobbly talking about the second goal 1-0 or 2-0 leafs still scored any goal, and if you watch the replay... you will see 6 leafs player who made a mistake not one but 6. 4 giy just going to bench, the last one on a 1v1 just stay passive and after that losing his one on one battle. So probably andersen fault too if the 5 guys in front of him was awfull on that play. so probably andersen fault if toronto didn't score on 2 of 5 game ( almost 3 if didn't made that spectacular come back) and stop skating during a other one because they get a 3-0 lead. Its just easy put all the blame on one guy but at the end, its still a team game.

Can andersen being better during playoff? yes i'm agree with you on that one

Andersen in any moment in his carreer in toronto, has he already had a good group defensively? And this answer is a big NO, the reality its for 4 years, toronto has had one of the 10 worst defense and the only reason why toronto managed to do well despite everything is Andersen, except last year and toronto was just on the edge of the playoffs

 

[LeafsNation75]

Younprobbly talking about the second goal 1-0 or 2-0 leafs still scored any goal, and if you watch the replay... you will see 6 leafs player who made a mistake not one but 6. 4 giy just going to bench, the last one on a 1v1 just stay passive and after that losing his one on one battle. So probably andersen fault too if the 5 guys in front of him was awfull on that play. so probably andersen fault if toronto didn't score on 2 of 5 game ( almost 3 if didn't made that spectacular come back) and stop skating during a other one because they get a 3-0 lead. Its just easy put all the blame on one guy but at the end, its still a team game.

Can andersen being better during playoff? yes i'm agree with you on that one

Andersen in any moment in his carreer in toronto, has he already had a good group defensively? And this answer is a big NO, the reality its for 4 years, toronto has had one of the 10 worst defense and the only reason why toronto managed to do well despite everything is Andersen, except last year and toronto was just on the edge of the playoffs

This was the first goal Andersen allowed in Game 7 against Boston in 2019 when the score was 0-0 in the 1st period. Tell me what the Forwards or Defenseman did wrong before the puck went into the net?

 

[thusk]

This was the first goal Andersen allowed in Game 7 against Boston in 2019 when the score was 0-0 in the 1st period. Tell me what the Forwards or Defenseman did wrong before the puck went into the net?

Can you say it's a bad goal because it left an hole the size of the puck? He was in good position like he did every time and 99,9 of the time its working but not this time. hes thinkin hes perfectly stick to the post but the puck find the only window he can goes in, an inche to the right or to the left its probably a save. So its a bad goal or a bad luck? for me this one is a bad luck . I never see any goalie in my life cover 100% of the net, they always give that kind of space and something foward get lucky and find the very very small window like that. It what i consider a lucky goal


2nd goal against cbs was a bad goal because he was out of position, thats the difference between a bad goal and an unlucky goal

 

[LeafsNation75]

Can you say it's a bad goal because it left an hole the size of the puck? He was in good position like he did every time and 99,9 of the time its working but not this time. hes thinkin hes perfectly stick to the post but the puck find the only window he can goes in, an inche to the right or to the left its probably a save. So its a bad goal or a bad luck? for me this one is a bad luck . I never see any goalie in my life cover 100% of the net, they always give that kind of space and something foward get lucky and find the very very small window like that. It what i consider a lucky goal


2nd goal against cbs was a bad goal because he was out of position, thats the difference between a bad goal and an unlucky goal

Personally speaking I say that was a bad goal.

 

[thusk]

Personally speaking I say that was a bad goal.

I just dont know how yu can blame a goalie for doing exactly the right thing

 

[LeafsNation75]

I just dont know how yu can blame a goalie for doing exactly the right thing

If Andersen was doing the right thing the puck would have not got past him and into the net.