Analyzing Dubas's Performance - III

[93LEAFS]

They were signed under different caps with different information, yes.

He also played more games, got more PP TOI, and has way better linemates, and is not the driver of production on his line. And his contract was a bridge. Also, I'm not sure why we're now talking about post-signing production. Point didn't even hit P/GP this year.

I never ignored term, or these other factors that influenced Point's production.

I think the way you are using cap-percentage is ridiculous, and not a proper way to measure it. If we can't even settle on the proper way to measure it, then how accurate of measurement is it actually? It is pretty clear it should be measured on the first year of the contract relative to the cap, since the contract never takes place in the previous cap. Teams have a general knowledge of the expectation of what the cap will rise too. If they don't they aren't prepared.

Point's contract is closer in term to Matthews than Matthews is to either Eichel or McDavid. If you want to ignore post-signing production, Point outproduced Matthews last year.

You are legit telling me that Matthews 5th year is worth 18.2 million, unless you don't think Matthews is worth more than Eichel at 4 years than Eichel is at 8. Which would mean Matthews is worth 14.10 over 8. Which is ridiculous. We valued Matthews at over 10mx4, which was absolutely ridiculous.

 

[Drytoast]

Dubas held pretty firm on the Willy negotiation as he got them down from their ask of 8.5 to 6.9 which was fair for both sides and great now. Despite what some here say, it was Willie that caved last minute to get the deal done.

The Marner negotiations could've been handled better. Dubas should have been more firm on their side and said these are your comparables and you will get within this range. Marner's camp was being ridiculous with refusing to listen to any comparables.

Typically you start off high and then negotiations if both sides are equal, you end up somewhere in the middle.

If Dubas didn't fold and we are to assume that the final price is somewhere in the "middle" what the hell was his starting price?!

 

[capfit9]

Unfortunately they would have made Shanny and Dubas walk the plank already if they planned on replacing them. Not sure how much more incompetance and Leaf fans displeasure they need to see before they wake up and and clean house.

They re-signed Shanny to a 6 year deal

 

[93LEAFS]

Dubas held pretty firm on the Willy negotiation as he got them down from their ask of 8.5 to 6.9 which was fair for both sides and great now. Despite what some here say, it was Willie that caved last minute to get the deal done.

The Marner negotiations could've been handled better. Dubas should have been more firm on their side and said these are your comparables and you will get within this range. Marner's camp was being ridiculous with refusing to listen to any comparables.

Willy's ask was 8.5x8, so Dubas really didn't get him down significantly. And, its 7m using logical rounding rules. Willy's deal around 8 years instead of 6 would be valued around 8m a year.

 

[saffronleaf]

Typically you start off high and then negotiations if both sides are equal, you end up somewhere in the middle.

If Dubas didn't fold and we are to assume that the final price is somewhere in the "middle" what the hell was his starting price?!

He probably wanted to end up with the Matthews deal. So maybe started at 13.5m x 4 years?

 

[Faltorvo]

Kadri 6g 11p,, 7 1/3 playoff games

but ya he "HE HAD TO GO" world class DERP

 

[likecheese]

Ya...we lost the Kadri trade about as much as we possibly could.

Maybe Kerfoot breaks out? Who knows?

It's the Barrie part of the trade and the perceived need to have Marner signed by camp that says everything. Dubas was all in on this season's team to be a Cup contender. he thought this team was tough enough, skilled enough and the defense good enough and deep enough. Any "plan" he puts forth from here on is just cobbled together.

 

[ToneDog]

Dubas held pretty firm on the Willy negotiation as he got them down from their ask of 8.5 to 6.9 which was fair for both sides and great now. Despite what some here say, it was Willie that caved last minute to get the deal done.

The Marner negotiations could've been handled better. Dubas should have been more firm on their side and said these are your comparables and you will get within this range. Marner's camp was being ridiculous with refusing to listen to any comparables.

Leafs had nylander skotted with Ehlers while he nylander camp had him slotted with Draisaitl. Willie caving should have landed him around Pasta dollars IMO. Dubas offered marner tavares money at the end of june which pretty much sealed his fate with that contract.

 

[ToneDog]

They re-signed Shanny to a 6 year deal

Yup another bad move but they have money to burn. They are still paying Babs. Only in T.O can execs cost a company so much wasted money and keep their jobs.

 

[fahad203]

When was the leafs had a rookie GM and he did well ? Stellick, jfj, Noni and now Dubas. What's amazing is none of them ever worked as a GM after.

Being in a management role with the leafs used to mean you are someone who's proven, you have good relationship around the league and you have earned your right for this role

Leafs now feels like McDonald's

 

[m1ker]

Kadri another 2 goal game tonight and tied for first in goals

 

[capfit9]

ARZ getting steamrolled by COL, how is Chayka's and Dubass' analytical approach going again ?

 

[mcleex]

Quality trade Dubass. Take a f***ing hike

 

[Faltorvo]

one has to wonder if the MLSE board are onboard with the Prez and GM, perhaps they too need replacing?

Well,,, i will say this,,in his own way Shanny did get the Matty

shanny did sell this BOG on blowing it up

and that lead them to a premium marque name that the BOG can sell to the open market and make the $$$

 

[saffronleaf]

Leafs had nylander skotted with Ehlers while he nylander camp had him slotted with Draisaitl. Willie caving should have landed him around Pasta dollars IMO. Dubas offered marner tavares money at the end of june which pretty much sealed his fate with that contract.

wow marner does not deserve jt $

I don't think Marner is worth $10.5m but I just can't believe Dubas went over that number. Because if someone was going to offer-sheet him, that would basically be the threshold for 4x1st picks unless he's getting a super short deal.

 

[capfit9]

Yup another bad move but they have money to burn. They are still paying Babs. Only in T.O can execs cost a company so much wasted money and keep their jobs.

i wouldn't say the investment is wasted because that is how they keep fans interest in the team because winning is way harder. the carousel of management types gets them press conferences, tv time and clicks

 

[ToneDog]

wow marner does not deserve jt $

I don't think Marner is worth $10.5m but I just can't believe Dubas went over that number. Because if someone was going to offer-sheet him, that would basically be the threshold for 4x1st picks unless he's getting a super short deal.

He also went to that number knowing Aho had signed for 8.5. He screwed himself by making his first offer so high in late june. He should not have been in charge of negotiating against the 3 amigos. Shanny deserves part of the blame IMO.

 

[Faltorvo]

We lost out on the kadri deal. Sucks. Oh well. Stop yer whining already... Beating a dead horse.
Teams make poopy trades all the time and re-group from them. Caps with forsberg, bruins with thorton ect.

We get it some of ya hate dubas. We heard ya loud and clear. Take a chill pill and enjoy the summer before covid shuts everything down again for the potential second wave lol. (Hopefully not)

Ya and the Caps GM got fired the year after that trade

OH OH and DRUM roll,,,yup you guessed it skippy

the Bruins GM got fired the year after the thornton trade also

 

[Metroid]

Ya and the Caps GM got fired the year after that trade

OH OH and DRUM roll,,,yup you guessed it skippy

the Bruins GM got fired the year after the thornton trade also

So if Dubas gets fired what are ya gonna bitch about next?

 

[Faltorvo]

So if Dubas gets fired what are ya gonna bitch about next?

well,,, it's obvious

not enough cheese in my tacos

 

[All Mod Cons]

So if Dubas gets fired what are ya gonna bitch about next?

Depends how competent the next GM is. I don't think it's anything personal with Kyle, he's just a f***ing awful GM. Seems like a great guy though.

 

[Metroid]

well,,, it's obvious

not enough cheese in my tacos

Paying for extra cheese it a rip off.

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

wow marner does not deserve jt $

I don't think Marner is worth $10.5m but I just can't believe Dubas went over that number. Because if someone was going to offer-sheet him, that would basically be the threshold for 4x1st picks unless he's getting a super short deal.

Would've gladly taken 4 1sts.

 

[Metroid]

Depends how competent the next GM is. I don't think it's anything personal with Kyle, he's just a f***ing awful GM. Seems like a great guy though.

Well some posters seem to actually hate the guy personally. Me? I don't care. I was a Dubas fan when he came on, he's slowly losing me, but I think one more year to see if he can fix shit up.
If he were to get canned in the off-season, I wouldn't shed a tear, nor would I be planning a parade. I just hope the next guy coming in does the job well.

 

[DarkKnight]

Kadri just trolling Kyle now.