All Purpose Trade/Roster Building Thread XIII - the 23 deadline approaches

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Very realistic and boring dream last night in which we traded for ROR. The dream consisted of me coming to these boards and watching everyone be like “meh.” No mention of any return.

The “this is a dream so something has to be weird” part was that we’d also somehow traded away a portion of Necas’s cap hit in the ROR deal (but kept Necas, I know this isn’t allowed), so there was a separate thread about whether we were doing that in order to trade away Necas.

I woke up and checked the boards and nothing had happened. Oh well. You guys can feel sufficiently loved and/or creeped out that I dream about you when you’re not around.
 

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Unless ROR costs a Domi like deal, im not interested. He looks really slow out there and ineffective. Its great he is good at FOs but there isnt much else he is good at right now. And he is coming off an injury. Big red flags for me.
 

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My guess at what they do at deadline:

1) Acquire one of Hayes, Henrique or Toews, in that order

2) Finally nab Puljujarvi. He’s depth for the playoffs and likely takes Fast’s spot next season

3) Grab a depth D on the cheap (Kulikov, Klingberg, whatever)

They should have the space for all that now.

I’d love then to bring in Meier, but just don’t see them paying the price.
 

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I have not historically been a big game hunter, but the more it’s been discussed, the more I’m convinced paying the price for Meier is exactly what the Canes need to do.
Yep.

The cost will be high, but its something we can absorb without impacting the current makeup of the roster while being able to fit him in long term, and is the kind of player who checks off the majority of boxes of what we need going forward to push us over the top. We absolutely should do this, and I'm going to be really annoyed if he is traded elsewhere for relative cost of what we're already talking about here.
 
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Yep.

The cost will be high, but its something we can absorb without impacting the current makeup of the roster while being able to fit him in long term, and is the kind of player who checks off the majority of boxes of what we need going forward to push us over the top. We absolutely should do this, and I'm going to be really annoyed if he is traded for relative cost of what we're already talking about here.

Same, but I think we will be outbid.

When you see the reports that he’ll go for a 1st and an A prospect or 2 B prospects or whatever, we get all excited like “we can do that without cutting into the roster!”

But our 1st is one of the worst 1sts they can get. Nikishin and/or Morrow are some of the lowest end “A” prospects you can get (if you’d even call them “As”, they’re “As for us I suppose). Just saying “we can pay that price” to that vague report of what it’ll cost doesn’t mean much when several other teams are trying to make that trade too. We’ll have to do something that’ll hurt. I’d consider Jarvis for the right price but that would hurt, big time. I’m not opposed to doing it by volume - our 1st, Nikishin, Morrow, Drury, a 2nd, whatever, have it all. That’d be my preference over trading either Jarvis or KK but who knows. If it takes the roster player to get it done, we gotta at least consider it.
 

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I have not historically been a big game hunter, but the more it’s been discussed, the more I’m convinced paying the price for Meier is exactly what the Canes need to do.
It seems odd that the front office wouldn't be in on him considering their pursuit of both Eichel and Tkachuk. I guess we will see by the first week of March what they do. I will be less upset this time if they just decide he isn't the right piece and go another route, then if they do decide he is, but again underbid the market.

Same, but I think we will be outbid.

When you see the reports that he’ll go for a 1st and an A prospect or 2 B prospects or whatever, we get all excited like “we can do that without cutting into the roster!”

But our 1st is one of the worst 1sts they can get. Nikishin and/or Morrow are some of the lowest end “A” prospects you can get (if you’d even call them “As”, they’re “As for us I suppose). Just saying “we can pay that price” to that vague report of what it’ll cost doesn’t mean much when several other teams are trying to make that trade too. We’ll have to do something that’ll hurt. I’d consider Jarvis for the right price but that would hurt, big time. I’m not opposed to doing it by volume - our 1st, Nikishin, Morrow, Drury, a 2nd, whatever, have it all. That’d be my preference over trading either Jarvis or KK but who knows. If it takes the roster player to get it done, we gotta at least consider it.
I agree with all of that but one glaring exception. How is an overpriced 4th liner on an 8 year contract even close to a core piece that can't be moved for a 1st line player?

Must be some tasty kool-aid.
 
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I agree with all of that but one glaring exception. How is an overpriced 4th liner on an 8 year contract even close to a core piece that can't be moved for a 1st line player?

Must be some tasty kool-aid.

Is that what you read in my post? Maybe read it again without confirmation bias? ;)
 

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Amazing contrast between the NBA and NHL due to cap approach (NBA is more flexible). NBA has seen top stars move the last couple of days whereby the NHL will be a series of smaller deals, save Meier.
Player evaluation is a lot different with the lower number of players playing in a game and then the greater impact of one player.
 
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Is that what you read in my post? Maybe read it again without confirmation bias? ;)
I read that it would be your preference to not move KK over the futures in the package for Meier, but you'd consider it.

I'd throw him in the front of the package so fast he wouldn't need a plane ticket to get to San Jose. That's what I read.
 
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I read that it would be your preference to not move KK over the futures in the package for Meier, but you'd consider it.

I'd throw him in the front of the package so fast he wouldn't need a plane ticket to get to San Jose. That's what I read.

Ok, so neither of us are saying anything that would warrant the response "How is an overpriced 4th liner on an 8 year contract even close to a core piece that can't be moved for a 1st line player?", good to clear that up :D.
 

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Ok, so neither of us are saying anything that would warrant the response "How is an overpriced 4th liner on an 8 year contract even close to a core piece that can't be moved for a 1st line player?", good to clear that up :D.
Lol. Wrong again. I'm CLEARLY saying it.
 
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I asked this hypothetical question a couple days ago: what would you give up for Saros if he became available? I think there were 2 responses basically ruling it out of hand and a lot of crickets.

It would be out of left field, but if he did become available (I don't think he will) it would seem like a potential Borg 3-d chess move. I mean, how many here are comfortable with Andersen staying healthy throughout the playoffs? And if not, who's comfortable with a Raanta/Kooch repeat like last year? On the flip side, imagine a healthy Andersen / Saros in net along with the mid tier forward and D additions we're probably going to get at the deadline anyways?

It would also answer the question of who is going to be our 1A alongside Kooch next year.

Someone pointed out that another goalie isn't a need. True, but could Saros be an opportunity, both for this playoff and the next 2 seasons beyond?

Coming back down to earth, a) I don't think he'll be available and b) Saros has to be considered at least a top 5 league wide goalie, and I don't think he'd be all that cheap.

Yeah...it's something worth thinking about.

It's really hard to answer your question about value because a lot of the goalie trades we've seen are 3rd rders for backup types people think are "blocked" and can be more of a 1b.

The major goalie trades that come to mind for me in the last 20 years are the Schneider and Luongo ones, well, and MAF.

So based on that I'd say Saros is probably worth between Mikael Hakkarainen (a 5th), a 2nd, or a 1st.

So lets say Andersen was mysteriously hurt again before the TDL. I would probably cough up a 1st for Saros with 2 more seasons at 5m.
 

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I read that it would be your preference to not move KK over the futures in the package for Meier, but you'd consider it.

I'd throw him in the front of the package so fast he wouldn't need a plane ticket to get to San Jose. That's what I read.
It really depends on what SJ wants.

KK could actually be something they would value if their plans are to go through a rebuild. At this point in his career, he could be a great top 6 center on a young rebuilding team. He's excellent defensively, pretty darn good in the circle, and shows plenty of potential in the offensive game. There are some warts he has to work through, but that's kind of what you want on a rebuild.
 
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Lol. Wrong again. I'm CLEARLY saying it.

You're saying something that would warrant me responding "How is an overpriced 4th liner on an 8 year contract even close to a core piece that can't be moved for a 1st line player?"????????

If I'm reading you correctly, you're absolutely not saying he's a core piece you wouldn't move for Meier, so I would never respond with "How is an overpriced 4th liner on an 8 year contract even close to a core piece that can't be moved for a 1st line player?"

Slow down and read. Lol. I know you don't like KK. I'd rather trade futures and keep him, but if he was the price I'd consider it depending on what needed to be added. Neither of us are saying he's a core piece that can't be moved for a 1st line player.
 

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Same, but I think we will be outbid.

When you see the reports that he’ll go for a 1st and an A prospect or 2 B prospects or whatever, we get all excited like “we can do that without cutting into the roster!”

But our 1st is one of the worst 1sts they can get. Nikishin and/or Morrow are some of the lowest end “A” prospects you can get (if you’d even call them “As”, they’re “As for us I suppose). Just saying “we can pay that price” to that vague report of what it’ll cost doesn’t mean much when several other teams are trying to make that trade too. We’ll have to do something that’ll hurt. I’d consider Jarvis for the right price but that would hurt, big time. I’m not opposed to doing it by volume - our 1st, Nikishin, Morrow, Drury, a 2nd, whatever, have it all. That’d be my preference over trading either Jarvis or KK but who knows. If it takes the roster player to get it done, we gotta at least consider it.
A few minor disagreements...

"Our 1st is one of the worst 1sts they can get" - not really/necessarily...of the teams most likely in on the Meier trade, any of them could end up with a deep playoff run or win the Cup which makes that pick pretty much a crapshoot. How big is the difference between say #22 & #32 or anywhere in between? Buffalo probably has the highest 1st right now, but they don't have many big complimentary pieces to add

"Nikishin and/or Morrow are some of the lowest end 'A' prospects you can get" - compared to what? Nikishin is being talked up pretty big right now (he's probably above Shakir), Holtz hasn't been trending quite as well as his draft position, Morrow is probably as good as any D prospect NJD would actually be willing to part with (i.e. Casey). I don't see anything other teams have that we couldn't likely match unless someone comes way out of left-field with interest
 
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