All Purpose Trade/Roster Building Thread XIII - the 23 deadline approaches

[Derailed75]

I once heard a long time ago, that Wayne Gretzky would never be traded from Edmonton. Learned back then to never say never.

I know anything is possible, but Gretzky wasn't from Edmonton. That would be like saying Larkin is from Oklahoma so he would never want to leave Detroit. While I get it, that's apples to oranges

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

Here ya go

Me: what is the most complicated trade you can suggest the Carolina Hurricanes execute to improve their chances of winning the Stanley Cup



ChatGPT: A potential complicated trade for the Carolina Hurricanes to improve their chances of winning the Stanley Cup could involve multiple players and draft picks being traded between multiple teams. Here's an example:
Carolina Hurricanes trade:

• Forward Andrei Svechnikov
• Defenseman Jaccob Slavin
• 2023 1st round pick
• 2024 2nd round pick

Team 1 trade:

• Forward Mark Stone
• Defenseman Victor Hedman
• 2023 2nd round pick
• 2024 1st round pick

Team 2 trade:

• Forward Auston Matthews
• Defenseman Cale Makar
• 2023 3rd round pick

This trade would see the Hurricanes acquire two elite forwards in Matthews and Stone, as well as two top defensemen in Makar and Hedman. The team would give up some of its best young talent in Svechnikov and Slavin, as well as draft picks, but the immediate upgrade to the roster would give them a better chance of winning the Stanley Cup. This trade would likely require negotiations between multiple teams and intricate salary cap management, making it a complex trade for the Hurricanes to execute.

Love Slavin and Svech but, deal.

 

[Stickpucker]

To be fair to Blues fans they're not used to being sellers and how little you usually get.

Look at the Faulk and Skinner trades.

 

[Brock Anton]

I'd take Toews any day over ROR. Dude is washed, if that's the guy we're going to spend valuable assets at the TDL for, I won't be very happy.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

we likely spend the 2nd and prospect its rumored for Henrique well before spending that on ROR or Toews

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Do we sign Portillo from Michigan as a college FA?

Huge goalie that we would offer a decent chance to make the NHL roster very quickly.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

To be fair to Blues fans they're not used to being sellers and how little you usually get.

Look at the Faulk and Skinner trades.

In hindsight, the Skinner trade was not a small return at all. Kochetkov and Nikishin were both drafted with picks attained from that trade. The Faulk return was a comparative bust mainly because of Bokk's issues, though Guslistov and Mercuri are still interesting prospects and Bokk is now starting to perform well enough in the DEL to have a small amount of trade value at the deadline, enough to probably get a lesser-known bottom-pair defenseman.

 

[Francis10]

1975 trade of Espo-Vadnais for Ratelle-Park is the only mega trade of superstars I can remember that would rival the ones theorized by your ChatGPT post.

Ron Francis and Ulf Samuelson for John Cullen and Zarley Zalapski was a big one at the time.

 

[The Faulker 27]

 

[Stickpucker]

Re Larkin...

Yes he's a Michigan boy but I bet he expected things to be better by now.

I wouldn't be surprised if he's willing to move on if he truly wants to win. He can make his $$ anywhere.

 

[Sigurd]

we likely spend the 2nd and prospect its rumored for Henrique well before spending that on ROR or Toews

I sure hope so.

It also means we'd still have enough assets to get Meier.

Having Meier and Henrique beyond this season (Meier being on an extension of course) would be huge.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

I sure hope so.

It also means we'd still have enough assets to get Meier.

Having Meier and Henrique beyond this season (Meier being on an extension of course) would be huge.

Im not optimistic we get Meier but we would still have pieces to do it

 

[OTC]

My personal guess is that the Canes will acquire a winger with term and a center rental. I'm not going to try to predict any names, but Toews and his league-leading FO Win% makes a ton of sense.

Assuming Chicago retains 50% on Toews, what does Carolina give up?

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

I sure hope so.

It also means we'd still have enough assets to get Meier.

Having Meier and Henrique beyond this season (Meier being on an extension of course) would be huge.

Meier would be amazing, but simultaneously, Morrow or Nikishin + forward prospect + extremely late 1st likely cannot compete with what New Jersey or Buffalo could offer. Even if the Canes "Hagel" the package and send an extra 1st, every single one of our assets naturally has higher bust potential than New Jersey's Holtz/Shakir combo (Holtz was a high pick and Shakir was drafted in the mid-1st) or the likely mid-1st rounder that Buffalo would send over in their hypothetical package.

 

[Stickpucker]

In hindsight, the Skinner trade was not a small return at all. Kochetkov and Nikishin were both drafted with picks attained from that trade. The Faulk return was a comparative bust mainly because of Bokk's issues, though Guslistov and Mercuri are still interesting prospects and Bokk is now starting to perform well enough in the DEL to have a small amount of trade value at the deadline, enough to probably get a lesser-known bottom-pair defenseman.

Sure in hindsight the return looks good bc those picks look like home runs as of today.

But if you use those returns as fair value....the asks for ROR, Tank, Barbashev are astronomical.

 

[Stickpucker]

Here is an out of left field guess....Anderson or Raanta is questionable and we trade for Saros.

Goalies can steal a series and are usually much much cheaper to acquire than goal scorers.

We double down on our identity as a team that plays a two way game and can win tight contests.

 

[User13452]

Don Waddell basically said in the interview they are looking for a depth defenceman and a forward who will have impact. VIDEO: Waddell Media Availability

 

[chaz4hockey]

Meier would be amazing, but simultaneously, Morrow or Nikishin + forward prospect + extremely late 1st likely cannot compete with what New Jersey or Buffalo could offer. Even if the Canes "Hagel" the package and send an extra 1st, every single one of our assets naturally has higher bust potential than New Jersey's Holtz/Shakir combo (Holtz was a high pick and Shakir was drafted in the mid-1st) or the likely mid-1st rounder that Buffalo would send over in their hypothetical package.

Jersey doesn’t have a lot of cap space. Buffalo has plenty.

Btw: I believe Buffalo will make that playoffs lowering their draft pick value.

 

[Sigurd]

Meier would be amazing, but simultaneously, Morrow or Nikishin + forward prospect + extremely late 1st likely cannot compete with what New Jersey or Buffalo could offer. Even if the Canes "Hagel" the package and send an extra 1st, every single one of our assets naturally has higher bust potential than New Jersey's Holtz/Shakir combo (Holtz was a high pick and Shakir was drafted in the mid-1st) or the likely mid-1st rounder that Buffalo would send over in their hypothetical package.

New Jersey won't overpay with Nemec, etc. (unless they actually pull a Florida with a bidding war getting out of control as they did with Tkachuk), and obviously they will have about the same draft pick as us. So, they won't have a clear advantage over us IMO. Also, we have top tier defensive prospects; whereas it seems New Jersey fans keep offering wingers and that's not as great as centermen or defensemen. So, while New Jersey has a good chance of getting Meier, I don't think they have a huge advantage.

While Buffalo would have a more mid round pick/higher pick than us or New Jersey, and a lot of good prospects from years of being bottom of the league, I don't think Buffalo has as serious of an interest for Meier as a few other teams, but maybe I'm wrong.

I think it depends on how willing the Canes FO is willing to go with trading Morrow/Nikishin. If so, we have a solid chance.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

There's talk here about Meier
There's talk here about Larkin
There's even talk here about Larkin and Meier.

I suspect there's going to be some disappointed fans after the deadline.

 

[MinJaBen]

New Jersey won't overpay with Nemec, etc. (unless they actually pull a Florida with a bidding war getting out of control as they did with Tkachuk), and obviously they will have about the same draft pick as us. So, they won't have a clear advantage over us IMO. Also, we have top tier defensive prospects; whereas it seems New Jersey fans keep offering wingers and that's not as great as centermen or defensemen. So, while New Jersey has a good chance of getting Meier, I don't think they have a huge advantage.

While Buffalo would have a more mid round pick/higher pick than us or New Jersey, and a lot of good prospects from years of being bottom of the league, I don't think Buffalo has as serious of an interest for Meier as a few other teams, but maybe I'm wrong.

I think it depends on how willing the Canes FO is willing to go with trading Morrow/Nikishin. If so, we have a solid chance.

Yep, and to highlight the difference between the Devil’s and our potential offers, the Sharks prospect pool is very shallow in the defensive end of the pool.

 

[MinJaBen]

There's talk here about Meier
There's talk here about Larkin
There's even talk here about Larkin and Meier.

I suspect there's going to be some disappointed fans after the deadline.

Most likely. I must admit, I am going to be disappointed if we don’t make a big move. We are solidly in our window, we have a lot of room, we have big contracts coming off the books, and we have a large prospect pool that likely won’t produce a bunch of stars given when they were drafted, and we have demonstrated need….if they don’t make a big move, what are they telling the team and fans about their seriousness to be a contender?

I think this year is an inflection point in this franchise’s management.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

My guess at this point

Henrique + Kulikov
cheaper rental winger if Kase isnt coming back

 

[Stickpucker]

There's talk here about Meier
There's talk here about Larkin
There's even talk here about Larkin and Meier.

I suspect there's going to be some disappointed fans after the deadline.

I don't care if I'm disappointed at the TDL so long as I'm not disappointed in the playoffs.

Besides I've heard many a rumor that ol' turtleneck can be quite satisfying *wink wink*

 

[LakeLivin]

Here is an out of left field guess....Anderson or Raanta is questionable and we trade for Saros.

Goalies can steal a series and are usually much much cheaper to acquire than goal scorers.

We double down on our identity as a team that plays a two way game and can win tight contests.

I asked this hypothetical question a couple days ago: what would you give up for Saros if he became available? I think there were 2 responses basically ruling it out of hand and a lot of crickets.

It would be out of left field, but if he did become available (I don't think he will) it would seem like a potential Borg 3-d chess move. I mean, how many here are comfortable with Andersen staying healthy throughout the playoffs? And if not, who's comfortable with a Raanta/Kooch repeat like last year? On the flip side, imagine a healthy Andersen / Saros in net along with the mid tier forward and D additions we're probably going to get at the deadline anyways?

It would also answer the question of who is going to be our 1A alongside Kooch next year.

Someone pointed out that another goalie isn't a need. True, but could Saros be an opportunity, both for this playoff and the next 2 seasons beyond?

Coming back down to earth, a) I don't think he'll be available and b) Saros has to be considered at least a top 5 league wide goalie, and I don't think he'd be all that cheap.