All Purpose Trade/Roster Building Thread XIII - the 23 deadline approaches

[Blueline Bomber]

Don Waddell basically said in the interview they are looking for a depth defenceman and a forward who will have impact. VIDEO: Waddell Media Availability

In other words, “We don’t trust Coghlan for obvious reasons, and MaxPac died, so we have an excess of cap space available.”

”A forward who will have an impact” is classic GM speak, because barring an Anson Carter situation, literally anyone they acquire will have some impact.

 

[MinJaBen]

I asked this hypothetical question a couple days ago: what would you give up for Saros if he became available? I think there were 2 responses basically ruling it out of hand and a lot of crickets.

It would be out of left field, but if he did become available (I don't think he will) it would seem like a potential Borg 3-d chess move. I mean, how many here are comfortable with Andersen staying healthy throughout the playoffs? And if not, who's comfortable with a Raanta/Kooch repeat like last year? On the flip side, imagine a healthy Andersen / Saros in net along with the mid tier forward and D additions we're probably going to get at the deadline anyways?

It would also answer the question of who is going to be our 1A alongside Kooch next year.

Someone pointed out that another goalie isn't a need. True, but could Saros be an opportunity, both for this playoff and the next 2 seasons beyond?

Coming back down to earth, a) I don't think he'll be available and b) Saros has to be considered at least a top 5 league wide goalie, and I don't think he'd be all that cheap.

He’s going to cost more than anyone should pay for a goalie.

 

[CanesUltimate11]

He’s going to cost more than anyone should pay for a goalie.

Has a goalie of his ability and term ever come on the market?

 

[AD Skinner]

Besides I've heard many a rumor that ol' turtleneck can be quite satisfying *wink wink*

Oh my

 

[User13452]

In other words, “We don’t trust Coghlan for obvious reasons, and MaxPac died, so we have an excess of cap space available.”

”A forward who will have an impact” is classic GM speak, because barring an Anson Carter situation, literally anyone they acquire will have some impact.

Meh there’s a difference between acquiring max Domi and acquiring say Larkin. Domi really only had impact in 1 game and was a bottom 6 forward. They are looking for a top 6 guy who can impact every game imo

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Eh, he said that after saying forward. The hedging makes sense; want and assets to make it happen are separate considerations, as we’ve seen recently.

 

[Sigurd]

I asked this hypothetical question a couple days ago: what would you give up for Saros if he became available? I think there were 2 responses basically ruling it out of hand and a lot of crickets.

It would be out of left field, but if he did become available (I don't think he will) it would seem like a potential Borg 3-d chess move. I mean, how many here are comfortable with Andersen staying healthy throughout the playoffs? And if not, who's comfortable with a Raanta/Kooch repeat like last year? On the flip side, imagine a healthy Andersen / Saros in net along with the mid tier forward and D additions we're probably going to get at the deadline anyways?

It would also answer the question of who is going to be our 1A alongside Kooch next year.

Someone pointed out that another goalie isn't a need. True, but could Saros be an opportunity, both for this playoff and the next 2 seasons beyond?

Coming back down to earth, a) I don't think he'll be available and b) Saros has to be considered at least a top 5 league wide goalie, and I don't think he'd be all that cheap.

You make good points.

To not be one in the group of crickets, I think Saros really improves our goaltending not only because of his high quality, term, and age, but because of the injuries we've had with Andersen and Raanta. However, the costs will be too high to get him and I'd rather we focus on improving our top 6. That's assuming Saros will even be available, just as you pointed out the unlikely availability.

 

[Svechhammer]

I mean in no uncertain terms, if the big move isn't made this year, they must make at least the ECF or it'll be time to start questioning if this front office has what it takes to push us to the Cup. 2nd best team in the league, $10m in cap space, a boatload of prospects who are probably blocked from the NHL here but could contribute elsewhere and some higher end pieces we could move. Everything is in place to push our chips into the center.

If we don't, and we flame out again early in the playoffs, the franchise is going to start feeling the heat to win from the fans and media.

If they make the trade and we flame out, at least they could say they tried. But if they don't and we flame out? Wouldnt be good.

 

[User13452]

Tarasenko options, Bertuzzi watch, Vegas gambling, and more — The Fourth Period

David Pagnotta hits on Vladimir Tarasenko’s future, Tyler Bertuzzi being shopped, Vegas & Carolina, and much more.

www.thefourthperiod.com

Tarasenko options, Bertuzzi watch, Vegas gambling, and more — The Fourth Period

David Pagnotta hits on Vladimir Tarasenko’s future, Tyler Bertuzzi being shopped, Vegas & Carolina, and much more.

www.thefourthperiod.com

Links canes to ROR Toews possibly tarasenko and then this

• A thought... If the Carolina Hurricanes do something out of left field and bring in a centre with term and big money, can they convince the other team to take back Jesperi Kotkaniemi?

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

The fact that the Canes only acquired Domi last year was simply a matter of them having no cap space. The current situation is frankly radically different because of how much cap that they can swallow. I'm not worried about Carolina making a move or not in March. They certainly will; the only question is what will it be.

 

[A Star is Burns]

This franchise is on a run of success we've never seen. Not many franchises have won some sort of postseason series each of the past four seasons like the Canes have. We are currently fairly high in making the playoffs streak and a few teams that aren't us will probably fall off that list this season.

Anyone has the right to question if the correct moves were made to get a team over the top. But just be careful what you wish for if you start asking for changes with this highly successful front office in the context of the league right now and this franchise's history. Cause there isn't much out there that's doing it better, and you're not likely getting the ones that are to run this team.

All that said, I have wished they'd be more aggressive at times too, but I can generally understand when they aren't and I do kinda get it in the context of some of their philosophies and what have made them successful.

 

[A Star is Burns]

Weird one from Elliotte on an intermission just now. Said he'd heard rumors about the Canes being in on JT Miller, but he doesn't buy it. He thinks it was more of something that might have been talked about over the summer but that he doesn't think the rumors of that now make sense. As he said, I couldn't see that one being one we'd pursue at this point.

 

[User13452]

Weird one from Elliotte on an intermission just now. Said he'd heard rumors about the Canes being in on JT Miller, but he doesn't buy it. He thinks it was more of something that might have been talked about over the summer but that he doesn't think the rumors of that now make sense. As he said, I couldn't see that one being one we'd pursue at this point.

Based on what Pagnotta said earlier tonight if they see Miller as a centre then I believe this is what he’s talking about

A thought... If the Carolina Hurricanes do something out of left field and bring in a centre with term and big money, can they convince the other team to take back Jesperi Kotkaniemi

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Communications around Canes acquisitions are so tight that these guys just guess so hard.

 

[A Star is Burns]

Based on what Pagnotta said earlier tonight if they see Miller as a centre then I believe this is what he’s talking about

A thought... If the Carolina Hurricanes do something out of left field and bring in a centre with term and big money, can they convince the other team to take back Jesperi Kotkaniemi

It's not impossible. Unless they were only looking at Miller in the context of him being a one year player over the summer, they could still be interested. The thing Miller has going for him is he can play 2C while we're still developing Koko (or as mentioned, maybe they move Koko in a case like this) and he's also able to play the wing spots pretty effectively. The big red flag is that the team hasn't wanted to extend guys at the ages that Miller will be over the remainder of the contract. Much like with Dubois previously, I think some of his antics this year in a tough year aren't ideal, but they may think on a team that isn't in disarray it would be nothing to worry about. I still don't think this one is likely, but I've heard less likely things before.

 

[User13452]

Communications around Canes acquisitions are so tight that these guys just guess so hard.

Miller makes sense but he doesn’t really fit what the canes like to do and that’s pay players big money going into their thirties

It's not impossible. Unless they were only looking at Miller in the context of him being a one year player over the summer, they could still be interested. The thing Miller has going for him is he can play 2C while we're still developing Koko (or as mentioned, maybe they move Koko in a case like this) and he's also able to play the wing spots pretty effectively. The big red flag is that the team hasn't wanted to extend guys at the ages that Miller will be over the remainder of the contract. Much like with Dubois previously, I think some of his antics this year in a tough year aren't ideal, but they may think on a team that isn't in disarray it would be nothing to worry about. I still don't think this one is likely, but I've heard less likely things before.

This would all but likely mean Teravainen wouldn’t be resigned id imagine

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

I doubt that the Canes will trade Kotkaniemi: his defensive metrics have been excellent, his faceoff percentages are above-average, and he's younger than Svechnikov. There's plenty there to work with long-term even though the offense isn't there yet.

I do think that the Canes are going to add some meat to the wings just like what they tried to do last offseason with Marchment. Crouse would be expensive but IMO also the best fit. If they want to go the reclamation project route, then IMO it's going to either be Boeser or Vrana. Vrana IMO is the most intriguing; he has DeAngelo-esque potential of either being a timebomb or a massive success, with no in-between.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Miller makes sense but he doesn’t really fit what the canes like to do and that’s pay players big money going into their thirties


This would all but likely mean Teravainen wouldn’t be resigned id imagine

Turbo is unlikely to stay anyways.

The only way we go for Miller is Vancouver basically giving him away and every other team is only interested in Nikishin and Morrow in trades. I would rather go for Ryan Johansen than Miller though.

 

[A Star is Burns]

I think I'm leaning toward Scott Pellerin or Anson Carter at the deadline as things currently stand. I could be convinced to go with Sandy McCarthy if those don't work out.

 

[Derailed75]

Re Larkin...

Yes he's a Michigan boy but I bet he expected things to be better by now.

I wouldn't be surprised if he's willing to move on if he truly wants to win. He can make his $$ anywhere.

He's young enough he's not moving to a contender yet just for that.

 

[Deon Thompson]

I would irrationally love that trade. Saros is so good.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

I would irrationally love that trade. Saros is so good.

Saros would turn our defense from best-in-the-league to 90s Devils-esque historic. I would 100% bring that guy on board ASAP.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Did anyone hear or see where Friedman say there was supposedly a 3 team trade where Tkachuk and JT miller went to one team this past off-season? Logically that 3rd team would have been us.

Ive seen some folks talking about it on the Twitter verse. Wasn’t sure if it was real

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

I see the love for Saros but I wouldn’t pay that price.

We have no idea how Saros will perform going from making the 9th most 5v5 saves per game to making the lowest or 4th lowest 5v5 saves.

Some dudes struggle when seeing that few of chances

 

[A Star is Burns]

Did anyone hear or see where Friedman say there was supposedly a 3 team trade where Tkachuk and JT miller went to one team this past off-season? Logically that 3rd team would have been us.

Ive seen some folks talking about it on the Twitter verse. Wasn’t sure if it was real

Yes, I posted about it up thread. He specifically mentioned the Canes in relation to Miller and current rumors surrounding Miller. He did also mention that there were some rumors of a three way trade that would have involved the Canes, Tkachuk, and Miller in some capacity over the summer. As I said, he thought any current rumors that are circulating for the Canes and Miller aren't likely. I assume he's saying he isn't buying the current rumors because while Miller's name is apparently out there in rumors right now, Elliotte is thinking people are just connecting dots to us from that interest we may have had over the summer.