All Purpose Trade/Roster Building Thread XIII - the 23 deadline approaches

[MinJaBen]

Yup….package deal. Karlsson at 50% retained. We already have a relationship with Grier from the Burns trade. A first, Drury, Heimosalmi…..maybe Koko. Just keep stacking prospects from the bottom of the list in classic hf fashion.

Next year, NHL 2023 will have Waddell's face on the front and the trade board will be known as "Turtleneck Time!"

 

[MadeUpName]

Three 1st rounds picks + Scott Morrow + Jack Drury for Karlsson @ $7.5 million (35% retained) + Meier

 

[MinJaBen]

Three 1st rounds picks + Scott Morrow + Jack Drury for Karlsson @ $7.5 million (35% retained) + Meier

I created a thread on the main board. Not exactly this option, but large.





Now I will turn off my notifications and take a nap.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

2023 1st + 2023 2nd + Morrow + Drury for Meier… what else would we need to add?

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Awesome explanation. That makes a lot of sense. Do you think that if it weren't required to respond in real-time- like if a nebulous question could be worked on for 30 seconds or so- that the responses would be more accurate?

My guess is that ChatGPT in its current incarnation probably can't do that because it just doesn't know how to weight with high confidence on its own, and time to "think" may or may not help that problem (and is probably a poor optimization of expensive resources to try.)

But if the human can direct the inputs meaningfully? It's an absurdly valuable tool if you understand and accept its limitations.

I've learned a lot more about it lately myself because I've been trying to engage it in foreign language learning exercises to see if it could serve as an interactive language learning conversation partner. Here's a thing that will further blow y'all's minds: ChatGPT doesn't just know English. It knows *every language the Internet knows*. I have had conversations with ChatGPT in French, Spanish, Russian and Chinese. My former colleagues are already using it to assist with writing code in Python and Rust.

Now that the LLM arms race is on for real, we are going to see some serious shit in the next few years. Hell, maybe even the next few months.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Three 1st rounds picks + Scott Morrow + Jack Drury for Karlsson @ $7.5 million (35% retained) + Meier

I am dying inside.

Karlsson has been a serious cap anchor for the Sharks almost his entire time there. With retention or not that is a bad, bad deal for us to make. Those ankles have held up long enough it’s about time for them to give out again.

 

[Stickpucker]

Don throws a wrench into the whole league and uses our cap space to trade for Karlsson at the deadline.


Which of our members blows a blood vessel first?

Dmen can be good acquisitions too.

We just need to find the next Chris Pronger and trade for him...

 

[Navin R Slavin]

@Navin R Slavin

Curious what your thoughts are on Project Wisdom, given your background.

Those thoughts are only currently available at a bar after several drinks

 

[WreckingCrew]

I'm tempted to go all Bernmeiester and throw a proposal for both Meier and Karlsson at the trade board.



But I don't want to ruin my new keyboard, so I'll pass.

You need way more low-round picks and minor pieces added to even out the equation

 

[bleedgreen]

I am dying inside.

Karlsson has been a serious cap anchor for the Sharks almost his entire time there. With retention or not that is a bad, bad deal for us to make. Those ankles have held up long enough it’s about time for them to give out again.

That’s why the joke is funny.


Until the turtleneck actually makes this shit go down.

 

[Svechhammer]

I created a thread on the main board. Not exactly this option, but large.





Now I will turn off my notifications and take a nap.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

That’s why the joke is funny.


Until the turtleneck actually makes this shit go down.

We know management reads every board, we can’t give them these kinds of ideas.

 

[bleedgreen]

You need way more low-round picks and minor pieces added to even out the equation

That’s the best part, he went overboard and offered really good stuff! And Shark fans are insulted….

HF gold.

If I were them I’d take far less than that to move that contract out. One minor injury and they’re right back to Parise/Suter-ville.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

We need to creat a ChatGM and train it on the HFBoards Trade board using the first post of all the threads with the "Proposal" tag. And specifically weight Bernmeister in the training of the dataset.



Then let it loose on Twitter....

Based on what I've seen on Twitter, it might be an improvement.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

The best is SJ fans trying to argue that Karlsson hasnt been a negative asset. I get that he is having a great season and is healthy(for now) but do they forget how bad he is defensively and that he was a top 5 worst contract in the league for 2 years running? geez.

 

[MinJaBen]

That’s the best part, he went overboard and offered really good stuff! And Shark fans are insulted….

HF gold.

If I were them I’d take far less than that to move that contract out. One minor injury and they’re right back to Parise/Suter-ville.

They should take it just to be rid of that mustache and the chance he might grow out his hair again.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I think the Bizz poster is the one who had all the terrible Slavin takes over time. Or if it wasn't Slavin, it was something to with the Canes. Not sure what his ax to grind is, but he's got one when it comes to Carolina.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

I think the Bizz poster is the one who had all the terrible Slavin takes over time. Or if it wasn't Slavin, it was something to with the Canes. Not sure what his ax to grind is, but he's got one when it comes to Carolina.

there you go. he even validated it

 

[Derailed75]

Lol I thinking about this watching Sharks highlights last night. We tend to do the unexpected move….so who’s unexpected? Karlsson!

It’s a sneaky good move that makes too much sense ainec…..

Ok its already said this is a pipe dream but if it were to happen, what does RBA do with the D pairings? I honestly don't think he would want to break up either of the top 2 groups. So does EK go to the 3rd pair with Chat? Or in some strange twist he send Skjei down with Chat and has a Pecse EK 2nd pair.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

I think the Bizz poster is the one who had all the terrible Slavin takes over time. Or if it wasn't Slavin, it was something to with the Canes. Not sure what his ax to grind is, but he's got one when it comes to Carolina.

yes that guy's posts about Slavin suggest he tortured and killed his dog or something, it's completely ridiculous and makes zero sense at all. I just laugh at it and ignore him.

 

[WreckingCrew]

I think the Bizz poster is the one who had all the terrible Slavin takes over time. Or if it wasn't Slavin, it was something to with the Canes. Not sure what his ax to grind is, but he's got one when it comes to Carolina.

Closet Canadiens fans still bitter about the offer hostile

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

I feel like EK would be an offseason move when/if Burns finally becomes a potato (which certainly isn't just yet).

 

[mikeyfan]

Why not both Larkin and Timo

Check out these potential numbers:

Player	2024-2025
Sebastian Aho	$10,500,000.00
Andrei Svechnikov	$7,750,000.00
Jesperi Kotkaniemi	$4,820,000.00
Jordon Staal	$4,500,000.00
Dillion Larkin	$9,000,000.00
Timo Miere	$9,000,000.00
Stefan, Noesen	$762,500.00
Paul Stastny
Jesper Fast
Jordan Martinook	$1,800,000.00
Ondrej Kase
Seth Jarvis	$3,500,000.00
Martin Necas	$7,000,000.00
Derek Stepan
/////////////////////	//////////////////////
Jacob Slavin	$5,300,000.00
Brady Skjei	$6,500,000.00
Brett Pesce	$6,500,000.00
Brent Burns	$5,280,000.00
Calvin Da Hann
Jalen Chatfield	$762,500.00
Dylan Coghlan
Frederik Andersen
Antti Raanta
Pyotr Kochetkov	$2,000,000.00
Bonus
Retained
Total	$84,975,000.00
Cap Limit	$87,500,000.00
Jake Gardiner
Max Pacioretty
Dead Cap Space
Bonus
Remaining Cap Space	$2,525,000.00

 

[Navin R Slavin]

My guess is that ChatGPT in its current incarnation probably can't do that because it just doesn't know how to weight with high confidence on its own, and time to "think" may or may not help that problem (and is probably a poor optimization of expensive resources to try.)

But if the human can direct the inputs meaningfully? It's an absurdly valuable tool if you understand and accept its limitations.

I've learned a lot more about it lately myself because I've been trying to engage it in foreign language learning exercises to see if it could serve as an interactive language learning conversation partner. Here's a thing that will further blow y'all's minds: ChatGPT doesn't just know English. It knows *every language the Internet knows*. I have had conversations with ChatGPT in French, Spanish, Russian and Chinese. My former colleagues are already using it to assist with writing code in Python and Rust.

Now that the LLM arms race is on for real, we are going to see some serious shit in the next few years. Hell, maybe even the next few months.

An extension to this, as I think more about it: the ChatGPT API is going to be extremely important going forward. The API allows the process of marshaling inputs to be handed to separate processes that are optimized for creating the proper inputs. I expect that we'll see a lot of domain-specific applications that possess deep factual knowledge, put together that factual knowledge in a way that's most consumable by ChatGPT, and then ask questions based on (those inputs) + (everything that ChatGPT can do).

i.e. "here's a list of all the facts about our product, pulled from a database. Here's an interface that allows a customer to ask anything about our products. The interface warms up ChatGPT with the relevant facts based on keyword search of the database, and then ChatGPT answers the customer questions and feeds that answer back through our interface, all using the API." I'm sure there are people working on these solutions right now.

Also, I am perfectly well aware that this is a roster building thread, and I do not care!

 

[spockBokk]

Why not both Larkin and Timo

Check out these potential numbers:

Player	2024-2025
Sebastian Aho	$10,500,000.00
Andrei Svechnikov	$7,750,000.00
Jesperi Kotkaniemi	$4,820,000.00
Jordon Staal	$4,500,000.00
Dillion Larkin	$9,000,000.00
Timo Miere	$9,000,000.00
Stefan, Noesen	$762,500.00
Paul Stastny
Jesper Fast
Jordan Martinook	$1,800,000.00
Ondrej Kase
Seth Jarvis	$3,500,000.00
Martin Necas	$7,000,000.00
Derek Stepan
/////////////////////	//////////////////////
Jacob Slavin	$5,300,000.00
Brady Skjei	$6,500,000.00
Brett Pesce	$6,500,000.00
Brent Burns	$5,280,000.00
Calvin Da Hann
Jalen Chatfield	$762,500.00
Dylan Coghlan
Frederik Andersen
Antti Raanta
Pyotr Kochetkov	$2,000,000.00
Bonus
Retained
Total	$84,975,000.00
Cap Limit	$87,500,000.00
Jake Gardiner
Max Pacioretty
Dead Cap Space
Bonus
Remaining Cap Space	$2,525,000.00

You’re missing a 6th D, 2 Forwards and another G.

How do you propose they sign 4 players with $2.5M?