All Purpose Trade/Roster Building Thread XII - The UFA frenzy aftermath

[bleedgreen]

Glad that one is out of the way. Never saw us paying the price and didn’t want to worry about the extension.

He would’ve been a good player for us. Last time Lou did this he pulled the extension off with Pageau did he not?

Side note….didn’t Lou trade away the pick that got Horvat in the first place? I always associate Horvat with Lou for some reason.

 

[whiskers]

glad Horvat is gone , but the isle could flip him at trade deadline , cause who wants to play there , we can kick the tires on Horvat in UFA , didnt cost us anything , Kane for Laff or Kakko , meh i hope we wait till last second to pull a good deal or just stay what we have.
For those who want to trade KK for Meier or garland , can we get a center first , adfter trading KK and seeking a Center teams will hike their asking price , so many Centers we can get for free in the UFA

 

[A Star is Burns]

Meier has always been a long shot for us if the Devils really do want him. They have better high end young pieces. Quantity can only get you so far sometimes. But there are plenty of options for us to improve at the deadline even if we can't get him. I hope most people weren't putting most of their eggs in unlikely baskets.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

A surgery needing Kane who hasn’t played well this season for a 1st and a young winger +? Woof.

 

[Tryamw]

A surgery needing Kane who hasn’t played well this season for a 1st and a young winger +? Woof.

I think the Rangers should pay 2 1sta

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

With Henrique being the best center available now, we are likely out of that running. ROR and Toews would be next. Larkin availability hanging in shadows waiting to change the ratings.

 

[Sigurd]

glad Horvat is gone , but the isle could flip him at trade deadline , cause who wants to play there , we can kick the tires on Horvat in UFA , didnt cost us anything , Kane for Laff or Kakko , meh i hope we wait till last second to pull a good deal or just stay what we have.
For those who want to trade KK for Meier or garland , can we get a center first , adfter trading KK and seeking a Center teams will hike their asking price , so many Centers we can get for free in the UFA

Yes, that's the one downside if we actually did execute a trade for Meier, or another winger and we included KK (I doubt we trade him for any winger but Meier though). If we did that before getting a center, teams probably ask for more for their center men to exploit a position of even greater weakness.

Realistically, right from the very beginning, the best I could hope for was we get either Meier or Horvat, and that was always questionable for different reasons. Overall, I like Meier better than Horvat even though center is our biggest position of need. So, missing out on Meier, unlike Horvat, is probably gonna bother me a bit even if it's not a very likely trade for us; I'd get over it real fast though. I'm used to these things as a Canes fan.

We'll probably get someone from the 2nd tier of forwards after Meier and Horvat though. If we could just simply get Henrique or Bennett though for 2C? That could be enough forward wise to push this team. I'm skeptical Larkin will be shopped around, but MAYBE Detroit considers it if they're out of the playoff race by the deadline.

*Edit* With Meier, I'm hoping Burns is the ace up our sleeve to get Meier to want to extend here. Even if another team has a good package and that then makes San Jose's GM to allow said team (we'll say New Jersey) to talk with Meier and his agent about an extension, Meier can say he doesn't want to extend with them. Burns being on Carolina could maybe help something like that with him wanting to play with us instead. Although Meier has a Swiss connection with New Jersey.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

With Henrique being the best center available now, we are likely out of that running. ROR and Toews would be next. Larkin availability hanging in shadows waiting to change the ratings.

I could see Carolina willing to pay up for Henrique. The extra year is what's valuable over other options. It simply depends on how much more valuable the Canes truly find that extra year.

 

[MisterEd89]

Glad that one is out of the way. Never saw us paying the price and didn’t want to worry about the extension.

He would’ve been a good player for us. Last time Lou did this he pulled the extension off with Pageau did he not?

Side note….didn’t Lou trade away the pick that got Horvat in the first place? I always associate Horvat with Lou for some reason.

You are correct about Lou and Horvat.

 

[Borsig]

Well. I guess we won't be overpaying for 1 year of production

 

[chaz4hockey]

This is a wide open playoff year and canes have a reasonably good shot to win (and probably without jeopardizing our future).

Still need someone to replace Stastny though and if there was a good upgrade on Stephan/Fast that doesn’t cost much I’d sign up for that.

 

[whiskers]

i think the horvat trade isnt done? Horvat will be traded again and the Isle will get alot more , after studing the trade , they didnt give that much really , beside the first round , Raty is like Suzuki probably a bust , Bauvillier isl ike Jarvis but older.
Horvat worth more now if the Islander retain 50% , 2 Mil , i actually think the Bruins will end up getting him

 

[User13452]

i think the horvat trade isnt done? Horvat will be traded again and the Isle will get alot more , after studing the trade , they didnt give that much really , beside the first round , Raty is like Suzuki probably a bust , Bauvillier isl ike Jarvis but older.
Horvat worth more now if the Islander retain 50% , 2 Mil , i actually think the Bruins will end up getting him

Lol none of this makes sense

 

[Sigurd]

Yeah, no way the Isles flip Horvat literally right after they traded for him.

It's one thing to act like they (the Isles) can get more for trading him away (very debatable), but I don't think there is any question the trading is done.

Horvat either extends or walks in free agency. The Isles will want to keep him.

 

[moses malone 12]

I could see Carolina willing to pay up for Henrique. The extra year is what's valuable over other options. It simply depends on how much more valuable the Canes truly find that extra year.

yup. don't rule out Brock Nelson. Islanders now have too many centers. He will be expensive but you get cost control for two+ years and a highly productive big center. what we hope for with KK.

I keep banging the drum for a meaningful trade by the Canes. 3rd pair dmen is not the focus if you are positioning the team for a deep run. their playoff performance past three years exposed lack of toughness and goal scoring. this is the year to pay up for a quality player e.g. Horvat. He's gone now but Meier, tarasenko, maybe Duchene, Brock Nelson, ROR, Henrique might/should be available. If team views any of these guys as the missing piece, go get them.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

We would get Labanc from SJ before Meier. Its what we do.

We likely get the last of the remaining rental centers. Colorado likely ponies up for Henrique.

 

[MinJaBen]

i think the horvat trade isnt done? Horvat will be traded again and the Isle will get alot more , after studing the trade , they didnt give that much really , beside the first round , Raty is like Suzuki probably a bust , Bauvillier isl ike Jarvis but older.
Horvat worth more now if the Islander retain 50% , 2 Mil , i actually think the Bruins will end up getting him

Probably gonna move him for the future considerations we gave Vegas. Right @Lempo ?

 

[Svechhammer]

The biggest concern to me is that I think Meier in NJ flips the balance of power in the Metro to them in a very similar way to how NYR flipped that BoP at the deadline last year. I don't think it would be obvious, but that's the kind of move that would push them over the top in a 7 game series.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

The biggest concern to me is that I think Meier in NJ flips the balance of power in the Metro to them in a very similar way to how NYR flipped that BoP at the deadline last year. I don't think it would be obvious, but that's the kind of move that would push them over the top in a 7 game series.

Rangers flipped the balance of power with Panarin’s addition in UFA and Shesterkin playing out of this world. Copp was a good addition but he didn’t change much in what was likely to happen with our number 1 out and our 2nd line not being very good.

 

[bleedgreen]

I don’t think we should worry about who our rivals add. We have to do what makes sense for us, and that’s it. We’re number two and we just spanked number one. Find the right fit more than try to keep up. Meier won’t fix the Devils defense or solidify their goaltending. They already know how to play offense.

 

[spockBokk]

The biggest concern to me is that I think Meier in NJ flips the balance of power in the Metro to them in a very similar way to how NYR flipped that BoP at the deadline last year. I don't think it would be obvious, but that's the kind of move that would push them over the top in a 7 game series.

Tyler Motte, Frank Vatrano and Justin Braun weren’t the difference in the NYR series last year. Zebinejad, Panarin and Fox were.

If Aho, Svechnikov, Necas, etc have their scoring dry up again, that will also be the difference in the next series. CAR has yet to have their star players all be star players at the right time in the playoffs.

 

[Svechhammer]

Tyler Motte, Frank Vatrano and Justin Braun weren’t the difference in the NYR series last year. Zebinejad, Panarin and Fox were.

Copp helped a lot. And the combined depth they added spread out their attack so that their top players could stand out more.

 

[mikeyfan]

From Jason Baluka of sportsnet.

Potential trade proposal

To Carolina: Ryan O’Reilly
To St. Louis: Carolina’s second-round pick in 2023 – 50% retained
To Arizona: Carolina sixth-round pick in 2023 or 2024 – 50% retained

 

[MinJaBen]

From Jason Baluka of sportsnet.

Potential trade proposal

To Carolina: Ryan O’Reilly
To St. Louis: Carolina’s second-round pick in 2023 – 50% retained
To Arizona: Carolina sixth-round pick in 2023 or 2024 – 50% retained

I wouldn't hate that, but why are we trying to get the extra 25% retained? That additional retention only makes sense if we go for another big salary.

And this is just this guy spitballing not an actual rumor out there, correct?

 

[mikeyfan]

I wouldn't hate that, but why are we trying to get the extra 25% retained? That additional retention only makes sense if we go for another big salary.

And this is just this guy spitballing not an actual rumor out there, correct?

Pretty much, the article is on NHL Rumors.com. Here is the full paragraph

Who could be interested in Ryan O’Reilly, and what could it cost them?​

Jason Bukala and Rory Boylen of Sportsnet: It makes sense the St. Louis Blues exploring the idea of what they could get for pending UFA, and 32-year-old center Ryan O’Reilly. They should be able to get a decent return for him.

O’Reilly told The Athletic that he’d be open to taking a discount to remain in St. Louis and that he hopes he isn’t traded. He’s also still out with a foot injury and has struggled this year. It is not easy to put a trade value on his at this point.

Teams that could have interest include the Carolina Hurricanes, Seattle Kraken, Minnesota Wild and the Edmonton Oilers.

If the Blues want to increase any trade return, retaining 50 percent of his salary would put the cap hit at $3.75 million. Maybe a third team could get involved to lower the cap hit even further, possibly getting it down to $1.875 million. His salary for the year is only $1 million.

Potential trade proposal

To Carolina: Ryan O’Reilly
To St. Louis: Carolina’s second-round pick in 2023 – 50% retained
To Arizona: Carolina sixth-round pick in 2023 or 2024 – 50% retained

To Seattle: Ryan O’Reilly
To St. Louis: Seattle’s second-round pick (via Toronto) in 2023 – 50% retained
To Arizona: Seattle’s sixth-round pick in 2023 or 2024 – 50% retained



NHL Rumors: Edmonton Oilers, Seattle Kraken, and the Dallas Stars

To Minnesota: Ryan O’Reilly
To St. Louis: Minnesota’s second-round pick in 2023

To Edmonton: Ryan O’Reilly
To St.Louis: Edmonton’s second-round pick in 2023 – 50% retained
To Arizona: Edmonton’s sixth-round pick in 2023 or 2024 – 50% retained