All Purpose Trade/Roster Building Thread XII - The UFA frenzy aftermath

[To Be Determined]

just because i haven't mentioned this personal pipe dream lately...

i still want a wing to take the goal-scoring sniper role patches was meant to play. vegas has been ass lately (2-6-2 over their last 10) so if they keep that up, they could sell at the deadline.

phil kessel at last! the dream will never die

 

[Svechhammer]

If Weeksey is correct, it doesn't sound that way at all. JR got tunnel vision and then the deal was made.



*Sometimes I wish you had been my dad...every failure of mine would have been spun into some incredible 3-D chess move about how I didn't really fail, but made it all better for myself in the long run. It would have been amazing!








*And by sometimes, I mean never.

What, JR getting tunnel vision?

Why I never!

Are any of the acquired assets a puck moving defenseman?

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

That shouldn’t be controversial. New York was a great team to hone in on. The pick from the Islanders is more valuable than any realistic piece that a Carolina or Boston or Colorado would offer.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

That shouldn’t be controversial. New York was a great team to hone in on. The pick from the Islanders is a more valuable than any realistic piece that a Carolina or Boston or Colorado would offer.

Yep, I said it earlier. I don't see them getting a better pick and better prospect down the road.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

mThat shouldn’t be controversial. New York was a great team to hone in on. The pick from the Islanders is a more valuable than any realistic piece that a Carolina or Boston or Colorado would offer.

100% true. Colorado wasn't going to offer Byram for a rental and Carolina wasn't going to offer Jarvis for a rental. The Islanders' pick is likely to be relatively high and was by far the best asset realistically available for Horvat.

 

[chaz4hockey]

1st, Drury, _______? I still think they need to address the #2C spot before anything else but Meier would definitely be a phenomenal addition. 1st+Jarvis with a extension somewhere under the $10M QO in place? I’m admittedly not as high on Jarvis as most, I see him topping out as a 50 maybe 60ish point winger that gets his bell rung a few times per season, and gets tossed around in the playoffs.

What’s a reasonable long term contract for Meier? 8.5-9x8? .8PPG average over the past five seasons, closer to PPG this season and last, 26 years old, hits like a truck and can throw down if needed? Basically what we hope Svech will become.

Can't give up Jarvis....he has a scheduled bobblehead night. Per NHL regs, can't trade guys that have scheduled nights

 

[Sigurd]

Shit, if we can keep Jarvis and add Meier with out subtraction from the roster, we could float Jarvis to Detroit for Larkin

The dream team acquisitions. Realism aside; including whether Larkin is actually available or not.

1st, Drury, _______? I still think they need to address the #2C spot before anything else but Meier would definitely be a phenomenal addition. 1st+Jarvis with a extension somewhere under the $10M QO in place? I’m admittedly not as high on Jarvis as most, I see him topping out as a 50 maybe 60ish point winger that gets his bell rung a few times per season, and gets tossed around in the playoffs.

What’s a reasonable long term contract for Meier? 8.5-9x8? .8PPG average over the past five seasons, closer to PPG this season and last, 26 years old, hits like a truck and can throw down if needed? Basically what we hope Svech will become.

Yeah, I agree with Unsustainable. Keep Jarvis and trade away other things for Meier. I'd only seriously consider trading Jarvis for a Larkin tier player, or during the summer, EP IF he's available; EP probably would require Necas though if he were even available, and the Canes say nope. Personally, I think Jarvis tier players, and on an ELC no less, you try to conserve them in the system as much as possible except for a high tier player in a position of great need (center for us, and centers are generally valued more in a vacuum than wingers). Although you have a fair point about Meier having a higher ceiling currently versus the unknown ceiling of Jarvis. Also, Meier is a big and physical winger. Still, for a guy we have no guarantee he will extend with us, I wouldn't want to trade Jarvis for Meier.

If we're gonna trade away a roster player for Meier, it should be KK IMO since he's a "young, established NHL player," but trading KK away for a winger means we'll hurt even more at center unless we already traded for center, or we're confident we'll get one in a separate trade shortly before the deadline and that the other team won't exploit our center shortage. So, we probably trade another prospect instead.

I also wanted to say that I'm very skeptical we'll get both a 2C AND a top 6 winger before the deadline though, despite that being such an appealing dream like scenario. If we get either a good 2C OR a good top 6 winger, and then get a 3rd pairing D-man, that should be respectable assuming the 2C is a legit non-rental option and is a noticeable upgrade from what we have currently at that position. Then during the summer, maybe the Canes like their options for whatever needs an upgrade.

A bit long winded for a post, but there you go. Lol.

 

[ONO94]

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Can't give up Jarvis....he has a scheduled bobblehead night. Per NHL regs, can't trade guys that have scheduled nights

Was that rule put in after the 2011-2012 season in response to the Kaberle bobblehead snafu?

 

[Svechhammer]

Honestly? It would hurt, but I would consider it. Meier is the kind of player we are hoping that Jarvis can be, with more physicality than Jarvis will have, at least over the next few years. If we can flip him for an extended Meier in a trade like that, I'd do it.

 

[ndp]

Changing it up a little bit, if VAN makes Demko available should the Hurricanes try and get in on that? Seems like more of an off-season move but if VAN is dead set on moving him at the deadline would the Hurricanes try and make a move?

Demko, Kochetkov tandem for the next three seasons would be pretty nice IMO.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

If the deal included Megna, sure I would do it.

 

[SvechneJerk]

Honestly? It would hurt, but I would consider it. Meier is the kind of player we are hoping that Jarvis can be, with more physicality than Jarvis will have, at least over the next few years. If we can flip him for an extended Meier in a trade like that, I'd do it.

That's a bit much, isn't it? Sheng Peng has reported that the expected cost would be a 1st & a Grade 'A' prospect, a 1st & 2 Grade 'B' prospects, or a "good prospect" & a young roster player. He's now reported that in 2 straight articles, the last being from today.

Exec Expects Sharks Will Get Horvat-Like Return for Meier

Could the return for Bo Horvat be a model for Timo Meier and the San Jose Sharks? “Probably a very similar deal as to the Bo Horvat trade,” an NHL executive from outside of the Sharks organization opined to San Jose Hockey Now, about a potential return in a Meier trade. The Vancouver Canucks...

sanjosehockeynow.com

 

[ndp]

Another one that I’ve been thinking about lately if you had to pick one of:

A. Re-signing Slavin for the next 8 seasons at around $7M or so.

Or

B. Re-signing Pesce AND Sjkei long-term at $6-6.5M hometown discount each. (I think both would fetch more on the open market)

Which one do you take?

 

[Stickpucker]

Honestly? It would hurt, but I would consider it. Meier is the kind of player we are hoping that Jarvis can be, with more physicality than Jarvis will have, at least over the next few years. If we can flip him for an extended Meier in a trade like that, I'd do it.

Feels a wee bit rich for my taste.

I would downgrade the 1st to Drury who I think is worth at least a 2nd and do Jarvis, Drury, Hamsamich for Meier + Megna.

per @SvechneJerk "That's a bit much, isn't it? Sheng Peng has reported that the expected cost would be a 1st & a Grade 'A' prospect, a 1st & 2 Grade 'B' prospects, or a "good prospect" & a young roster player. He's now reported that in 2 straight articles, the last being from today."

That fits the "good prospect" (Drury) & young roster player (Jarvis)

 

[Brock Anton]

If push came to shove and they *had* to have Jarvis, I'd do it for an extended Meier.

We could always explore a secondary deal for a top 9ish forward to fill Jarvis' spot at the TDL.

 

[Stickpucker]

Another one that I’ve been thinking about lately if you had to pick one of:

A. Re-signing Slavin for the next 8 seasons at around $7M or so.

Or

B. Re-signing Pesce AND Sjkei long-term at $6-6.5M hometown discount each. (I think both would fetch more on the open market)

Which one do you take?

Does anyone have an Athletic on Pesce and Skejis contract value?

I'm not sure but I think we'd regret it if we signed Pesce for 6.5 as a 30 yr old. I think he's on a bit of a sweetheart deal for now...but where he is....and with the limited offense he brings I wouldn't want to go much more than 4.85m (which is a nice raise) for him on his next contract as a 2nd pair dman.

Skjei is a bit harder because he has a nice offensive game. I'd like to wait and see how he does this season and next before evaluating him as to how much I'd offer on his next contract...especially if he gets pp2 minutes.

 

[CanesFanBudMan]

Another one that I’ve been thinking about lately if you had to pick one of:

A. Re-signing Slavin for the next 8 seasons at around $7M or so.

Or

B. Re-signing Pesce AND Sjkei long-term at $6-6.5M hometown discount each. (I think both would fetch more on the open market)

Which one do you take?

B all day

 

[spockBokk]

You don’t trade Seth Jarvis. He’s got the type of potential that you typically only get by drafting in the top 10. He’s also got a year left on his ELC.

You trade Morrow, Nikishin, Drury whoever + the 1st if an acquisition of Meier requires it. I’d rather they not trade those high end assets, but you do have to give to get.

I see them doing their same old deal this deadline. They’ll sniff around Meier, price will likely be too high and they’ll end up with a Bertuzzi or Boeser-type on the cheap along with a D with term out of left field.

 

[MadeUpName]

If Jarvis goes then I want to keep the 2023 1st.

Jarvis + PHI 2024 2nd + 3rd (or B prospect) for Meier

 

[Svechhammer]

If push came to shove and they *had* to have Jarvis, I'd do it for an extended Meier.

We could always explore a secondary deal for a top 9ish forward to fill Jarvis' spot at the TDL.

Yep. Meier is a top end talent that would completely transform our Top 6. Jarvis is going to be a good player, but at the same time Meier is an absolute perfect fit for this franchise here and now.

If Meier comes with an extended contract, I would absolutely do the Jarvis, 1st, and Hamsammich for him.

You don’t trade Seth Jarvis. He’s got the type of potential that you typically only get by drafting in the top 10. He’s also got a year left on his ELC.

You trade Morrow, Nikishin, Drury whoever + the 1st if an acquisition of Meier requires it. I’d rather they not trade those high end assets, but you do have to give to get.

I see them doing their same old deal this deadline. They’ll sniff around Meier, price will likely be too high and they’ll end up with a Bertuzzi or Boeser-type on the cheap along with a D with term out of left field.

See I disagree. I think Meier represents the kind of player we hope Jarvis develops into. If we can flip him for someone who is already in his prime at the level we hope Jarvis becomes, I make the move. And honestly, I don't think Jarvis will ever develop physically to the point where he isn't easily pushed off the puck, at least not during our current run.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Skjei and Pesce will have a shot at one more big deal. We would likely pay them well at 3-4 years but no more. They likely go elsewhere. I would take option A.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Personally, I would go for option A specifically because of the current state of our farm. Having Morrow and Nikishin doing so well in our prospect pool is a golden opportunity, in many ways, to extend the contention window without relying on too many UFAs to prop up the group.

 

[ndp]

You don’t trade Seth Jarvis. He’s got the type of potential that you typically only get by drafting in the top 10.

But isn’t Meier already that player? Who also plays a heavy game that Jarvis will likely never physically be able to do.

Does Jarvis have the potential to be better than Meier?

That’s getting into elite winger territory isn’t it?

Adding a low first to a what if, to get the if, sign me up.

 

[MinJaBen]

You don’t trade Seth Jarvis. He’s got the type of potential that you typically only get by drafting in the top 10. He’s also got a year left on his ELC.

You trade Morrow, Nikishin, Drury whoever + the 1st if an acquisition of Meier requires it. I’d rather they not trade those high end assets, but you do have to give to get.

I see them doing their same old deal this deadline. They’ll sniff around Meier, price will likely be too high and they’ll end up with a Bertuzzi or Boeser-type on the cheap along with a D with term out of left field.

I'm not sure you are correct. How do you keep Jarvis in two years if you just added an extended Meier and need to extend Aho and Necas and Pesce? Jarvis is a cool kid and fun to watch, but we will have to make some really tough choices and trading up from a Jarvis who is not fully ready to a Meier that is a force now is probably a good decision.

 

[Derailed75]

Tyler Motte, Frank Vatrano and Justin Braun weren’t the difference in the NYR series last year. Zebinejad, Panarin and Fox were.

If Aho, Svechnikov, Necas, etc have their scoring dry up again, that will also be the difference in the next series. CAR has yet to have their star players all be star players at the right time in the playoffs.

Freddie Andersen not being there was the difference. No matter how well Raanta and Kocchie played they are not as good as Freddie. It was a 7 game series Freddie wins that one for us.