All Purpose Trade/Roster Building Thread XII - The UFA frenzy aftermath

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Im sure STL will come out in force to hate that proposal. Plenty of them are determined ROR gets a first, plus.

 

[Borsig]

a first for a 31 year old Orielly? 6 plus million and isn't even sniffing a PPG? No.

 

[chaz4hockey]

Pretty much, the article is on NHL Rumors.com. Here is the full paragraph

Who could be interested in Ryan O’Reilly, and what could it cost them?​

Jason Bukala and Rory Boylen of Sportsnet: It makes sense the St. Louis Blues exploring the idea of what they could get for pending UFA, and 32-year-old center Ryan O’Reilly. They should be able to get a decent return for him.

O’Reilly told The Athletic that he’d be open to taking a discount to remain in St. Louis and that he hopes he isn’t traded. He’s also still out with a foot injury and has struggled this year. It is not easy to put a trade value on his at this point.

Teams that could have interest include the Carolina Hurricanes, Seattle Kraken, Minnesota Wild and the Edmonton Oilers.

If the Blues want to increase any trade return, retaining 50 percent of his salary would put the cap hit at $3.75 million. Maybe a third team could get involved to lower the cap hit even further, possibly getting it down to $1.875 million. His salary for the year is only $1 million.

Potential trade proposal

To Carolina: Ryan O’Reilly
To St. Louis: Carolina’s second-round pick in 2023 – 50% retained
To Arizona: Carolina sixth-round pick in 2023 or 2024 – 50% retained

To Seattle: Ryan O’Reilly
To St. Louis: Seattle’s second-round pick (via Toronto) in 2023 – 50% retained
To Arizona: Seattle’s sixth-round pick in 2023 or 2024 – 50% retained



NHL Rumors: Edmonton Oilers, Seattle Kraken, and the Dallas Stars

To Minnesota: Ryan O’Reilly
To St. Louis: Minnesota’s second-round pick in 2023

To Edmonton: Ryan O’Reilly
To St.Louis: Edmonton’s second-round pick in 2023 – 50% retained
To Arizona: Edmonton’s sixth-round pick in 2023 or 2024 – 50% retained

Ah, a SWAG trade.

FWIW: He has a broken foot. I’d take Nelson from Islanders before I’d obtain another potential injury guy. His play this year worries me too.

btw: Blues blew a two goal lead last night moving them closer to a GM decision. I also wonder if they will blow up the team or make a few moves. If blowing up the squad, would they make Bucknevich available to the marketplace too?

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[Nikishin Go Boom]

Ah, a SWAG trade.

FWIW: He has a broken foot. I’d take Nelson from Islanders before I’d obtain another potential injury guy. His play this year worries me too.

btw: Blues blew a two goal lead last night moving them closer to a GM decision. I also wonder if they will blow up the team or make a few moves. If blowing up the squad, would they make Bucknevich available to the marketplace too?

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They are too old and put together to blow it up. They might trade a piece or two but they likely are still aggressive during the draft and FA.

 

[Stickpucker]

You are correct about Lou and Horvat.

I like the pretty charts from evolving hockey. What's interesting is that Vancouver fans were selling Horvat as a selke level center. That chart seems to tell a very different story. Anyone who watches him more have thoughts on this?

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

If we do target ROR, and the other teams in the hunt for him are western conference based then I would imagine we would have the leg up if a similar offer is presented. We did the Faulk trade with them in the past as well so there seems to be a good working relationship there.

 

[ndp]

You guys think the FO takes into account team performance going into the all star break and trade deadline?

Do you think they would be more aggressive if the team wasn’t on a bit of a heater, hadn’t just beat the #1, and were second place in the Metro?

 

[Svechhammer]

You guys think the FO takes into account team performance going into the all star break and trade deadline?

Do you think they would be more aggressive if the team wasn’t on a bit of a heater, hadn’t just beat the #1, and were second place in the Metro?

We have $10m in cap space, $8,5m of which is absolutely not going to be coming back this year. The team is playing well right now, but if there is one thing we've always done is weaponize any available cap space to improve the team, either short term or long term.

The team is looking at this not in terms of whether we like our group, we do, but in terms of how much better the group can be given the opportunity we have.

 

[Sigurd]

Is there a decent chance the Islanders trade Nelson, or is that more of a hope/wishful thinking than anything?

He'd certainly be a good center option if he is/will be available.

 

[MinJaBen]

Is there a decent chance the Islanders trade Nelson, or is that more of a hope/wishful thinking than anything?

He'd certainly be a good center option if he is/will be available.

I thought that if they were going to pack it in, there might be a chance. I think the fact they went out and brought in Horvat ends any speculation of the Islanders moving someone major like Nelson. They are clearly going for the playoffs this year now.

 

[WreckingCrew]

Tyler Motte, Frank Vatrano and Justin Braun weren’t the difference in the NYR series last year. Zebinejad, Panarin and Fox were.

If Aho, Svechnikov, Necas, etc have their scoring dry up again, that will also be the difference in the next series. CAR has yet to have their star players all be star players at the right time in the playoffs.

Yea, it's not really what other teams added or what we didn't add that defeated us...it was not winning a single road game and having everyone go into a protective shell of themselves. It was not playing cohesively or playing our game on the road and self-defeating. 25-12-4 on the road in regular season, 0-7 in the playoffs

 

[Svechhammer]

JR doing JR things

 

[Sigurd]

JR doing JR things

It'd be interesting if it was Carolina but he wants to do us no favors/anything to help us; especially when Carolina didn't want to trade Necas (f***ing delusional for them to think they'd get him; get real).

I'd assume Carolina was highly interested short of trading Necas or Jarvis, but JR was like no Necas, no deal. I'd love to know who the team was. Maybe it wasn't us.

*Edit* Also, since it's Weekes saying that, it makes it more plausible it was the Canes who told him that given the obvious history with him and the Canes.

 

[The Faulker 27]

Pretty good article recently in the Athletic on ROR if you have a subscription.

Exclusive: Ryan O'Reilly on trade talk, contract extension: 'I want to be here'

The 31-year-old center doesn't have a no-trade clause in his contract, so he won't have a say in a potential deal.

theathletic.com

Obviously, his stance is he wants to stay in STL. I do like ROR for several reasons, but I'm a little concerned about his injury being that it's a broken foot. You just never know. That being said, he's a hard working 2-way Center with offensive upside. He'd fit well in our system. Granted he wasn't having the best season prior to the injury but it happens. Seems like he knows where he's at, where he needs/wants to be with his game. The injury might be the reset he needed.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

It'd be interesting if it was Carolina but he wants to do us no favors/anything to help us; especially when Carolina didn't want to trade Necas (f***ing delusional for them to think they'd get him; get real).

I'd assume Carolina was highly interested short of trading Necas or Jarvis, but JR was like no Necas, no deal. I'd love to know who the team was. Maybe it wasn't us.

*Edit* Also, since it's Weekes saying that, it makes it more plausible it was the Canes who told him that given the obvious history with him and the Canes.

I'm actually shocked at how much Vancouver got for Horvat. When you consider the fact that Beauvillier, at his best form, could fetch a 2nd+ from somebody at next year's deadline, it's a larger return than what Duchene received from Columbus. It's entirely plausible that Carolina was successfully able to up-bid the offer so that the Islanders had to give up Raty in the Horvat deal. Just like in the Eichel and Tkachuk sweepstakes, sometimes it's smart to get involved in the bidding even if you don't technically win the actual player. I would argue that the amount that Florida surrendered to acquire Tkachuk (especially sacrificing Weegar) severely weakened their roster short-term. That is, in many ways, what I hope happens with this Timo Meier bidding war.

 

[Borsig]

I have the ever increasing feeling we are going to pay too much for someone too old and too broken

 

[chaz4hockey]

Can someone please explain why Patches isn't on LTIR yet?

Also, is it simple math that Canes can take their current cap space plus Patches $7M salary, combine them and that's the aggregate of contracts we take on (I see we are only at 45 of 50 allowable contracts so clearly there is room for more...unless they want to sign more younger guys to entry level contracts by end of year???)????

 

[Sigurd]

FWIW, Sheng Peng of SJ Hockey Now says the following is Meier's supposed asking price for San Jose:

"What I’m hearing is a first-rounder — and one Grade-A or two Grade-B prospects, or one good prospect and a young, established NHL player," a source from outside the San Jose Sharks organization told San Jose Hockey Now.

SOURCE: Sharks Want 3 Pieces for Meier?

What do the San Jose Sharks want in a trade for Timo Meier? It sounds like three pieces. “What I’m hearing is a first-rounder — and one Grade-A or two Grade-B prospects, or one good prospect and a young, established NHL player,” a source from outside the San Jose Sharks organization told San...

sanjosehockeynow.com

*Edit* I added the link to San Jose Hockey Now instead of MSN.com quoting the website.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Can someone please explain why Patches isn't on LTIR yet?

Also, is it simple math that Canes can take their current cap space plus Patches $7M salary, combine them and that's the aggregate of contracts we take on (I see we are only at 45 of 50 allowable contracts so clearly there is room for more...unless they want to sign more younger guys to entry level contracts by end of year???)????

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I have no idea why the Canes would wait, but it's irrelevant if he goes on LTIR now or later. We can't bank cap space because we are already using LTIR so from my understanding, it changes nothing by putting him on LTIR now vs. later from a cap POV.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

McCabe is my top trade target. Not only helps our blueline depth this year (pushing CDH to being an amazing 7D and hopefully eliminating needing to rely on Coghlan at all in a playoff game), but we can get him retained too and have him as some cheap top 4 insurance for a few more years. Hopefully we can keep Pesce and/or Skjei for reasonable deals but both will likely be able to demand big increases. Nikishin is still a few years away by default and Morrow likely won't be able to step in immediately as a significant contributor.

Yes we need forward/scoring help too, both now and longer term. But McCabe would be a priority to me as it just makes a lot of sense all around and won't be terribly expensive.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

McCabe is my top trade target. Not only helps our blueline depth this year (pushing CDH to being an amazing 7D and hopefully eliminating needing to rely on Coghlan at all in a playoff game), but we can get him retained too and have him as some cheap top 4 insurance for a few more years. Hopefully we can keep Pesce and/or Skjei for reasonable deals but both will likely be able to demand big increases. Nikishin is still a few years away by default and Morrow likely won't be able to step in immediately as a significant contributor.

Yes we need forward/scoring help too, both now and longer term. But McCabe would be a priority to me as it just makes a lot of sense all around and won't be terribly expensive.

I get the McCabe idea, but I just sort of think that it's overkill for a cap structure and roster in our situation. A cap-starved and defense-needy team like Toronto needs McCabe far more and are likely to give up a 1st+ for 50% retainment. I think that the Canes can get away with a much smaller add on defense. Assets should be used to acquire a top-6er with size.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

You guys think the FO takes into account team performance going into the all star break and trade deadline?

Do you think they would be more aggressive if the team wasn’t on a bit of a heater, hadn’t just beat the #1, and were second place in the Metro?

I think it's natural to not be as "desperate" when the team is performing well, but I also think the team counted on having Pacioretty's goal scoring ability for the playoffs and now they don't.

Going to be interesting to watch. On the one hand, Dundon and co. have not wanted to pay a premium for rentals or give long term deals to 28+ year olds. On the other hand, Dundon has said he doesn't like to sit with unused cap space, and that's essentially what they have with Patches going on LTIR.

 

[MinJaBen]

I'm actually shocked at how much Vancouver got for Horvat. When you consider the fact that Beauvillier, at his best form, could fetch a 2nd+ from somebody at next year's deadline, it's a larger return than what Duchene received from Columbus. It's entirely plausible that Carolina was successfully able to up-bid the offer so that the Islanders had to give up Raty in the Horvat deal. Just like in the Eichel and Tkachuk sweepstakes, sometimes it's smart to get involved in the bidding even if you don't technically win the actual player. I would argue that the amount that Florida surrendered to acquire Tkachuk (especially sacrificing Weegar) severely weakened their roster short-term. That is, in many ways, what I hope happens with this Timo Meier bidding war.

If Weeksey is correct, it doesn't sound that way at all. JR got tunnel vision and then the deal was made.



*Sometimes I wish you had been my dad...every failure of mine would have been spun into some incredible 3-D chess move about how I didn't really fail, but made it all better for myself in the long run. It would have been amazing!








*And by sometimes, I mean never.

 

[ndp]

FWIW, Sheng Peng of SJ Hockey Now says the following is Meier's supposed asking price for San Jose:

"What I’m hearing is a first-rounder — and one Grade-A or two Grade-B prospects, or one good prospect and a young, established NHL player," a source from outside the San Jose Sharks organization told San Jose Hockey Now.

SOURCE: Sharks Want 3 Pieces for Meier?

What do the San Jose Sharks want in a trade for Timo Meier? It sounds like three pieces. “What I’m hearing is a first-rounder — and one Grade-A or two Grade-B prospects, or one good prospect and a young, established NHL player,” a source from outside the San Jose Sharks organization told San...

sanjosehockeynow.com

*Edit* I added the link to San Jose Hockey Now instead of MSN.com quoting the website.

1st, Drury, _______? I still think they need to address the #2C spot before anything else but Meier would definitely be a phenomenal addition. 1st+Jarvis with a extension somewhere under the $10M QO in place? I’m admittedly not as high on Jarvis as most, I see him topping out as a 50 maybe 60ish point winger that gets his bell rung a few times per season, and gets tossed around in the playoffs.

What’s a reasonable long term contract for Meier? 8.5-9x8? .8PPG average over the past five seasons, closer to PPG this season and last, 26 years old, hits like a truck and can throw down if needed? Basically what we hope Svech will become.

 

[Unsustainable]

1st, Drury, _______? I still think they need to address the #2C spot before anything else but Meier would definitely be a phenomenal addition. 1st+Jarvis with a extension somewhere under the $10M QO in place? I’m admittedly not as high on Jarvis as most, I see him topping out as a 50 maybe 60ish point winger that gets his bell rung a few times per season, and gets tossed around in the playoffs.

What’s a reasonable long term contract for Meier? 8.5-9x8? .8PPG average over the past five seasons, closer to PPG this season and last, 26 years old, hits like a truck and can throw down if needed? Basically what we hope Svech will become.

Shit, if we can keep Jarvis and add Meier with out subtraction from the roster, we could float Jarvis to Detroit for Larkin