All Purpose Trade/Roster Building Thread XII - The UFA frenzy aftermath

[Nikishin Go Boom]

talking about comparables just for laughs. Looking at goals scored and hits cuz we want to up that ooommmph per 60.

Nico Sturm of SJ has the same goals per 60 and just .2 less hits per 60 than Meier this season. He also has a very high FO% of 56.1. He is signed for 2 million for 2 more seasons.

Would we unlock more offense by giving him a O zone start percentage of north of 35% (yea it would be close to 55%) but his current is 33%.

not saying target him over meier. just kinda fun to look at that stuff.

 

[Stickpucker]

Who do folks see Jarvis as a comparable and what do they see as his ceiling? I think once you decide that you can decide if you would send him out for a player like Meier.

From a stature perspective he's smaller than the Jeff Skinner and Brayden Points of the league isn't he?

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Who do folks see Jarvis as a comparable and what do they see as his ceiling? I think once you decide that you can decide if you would send him out for a player like Meier.

From a stature perspective he's smaller than the Jeff Skinner and Brayden Points of the league isn't he?

I see him as Turbo but less passing and a little more shooting.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

I'm not sure you are correct. How do you keep Jarvis in two years if you just added an extended Meier and need to extend Aho and Necas and Pesce? Jarvis is a cool kid and fun to watch, but we will have to make some really tough choices and trading up from a Jarvis who is not fully ready to a Meier that is a force now is probably a good decision.

If you are going to let Turbo get a big contract elsewhere, you will want to keep Jarvis long-term even with Meier in tow. IMO, from a roster-management perspective, Jarvis is a non-starter short of an Elias Pettersson or his ilk.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Changing it up a little bit, if VAN makes Demko available should the Hurricanes try and get in on that? Seems like more of an off-season move but if VAN is dead set on moving him at the deadline would the Hurricanes try and make a move?

Demko, Kochetkov tandem for the next three seasons would be pretty nice IMO.

I have no idea if it's valid, but I saw somewhere that Demko has been terrible and the Canucks are worried about how his injuries are going to be a reason why his play will continue to struggle (a la Cory Schneider in NJ).

 

[ndp]

I see him as Turbo but less passing and a little more shooting.

I think Jarvis is definitely more willing to get into the dirty areas than Turbo. Turbo to me is a little more cerebral type player and Jarvis is a little more NA style. I think Jarvis will end up putting up more goals than TT depending on PP time, but probably less overall points. I also think right now TT is the better defensive forward, but with his experience he should be.

In the long run I imagine Jarvis tops out as a 20-25G, 30-35A, 60ish point winger, which is great! I just don’t think he’s quite got the size and muscle to play the type of game he wants to play and he doesn’t quite have the vision to play a more “Euro” style.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

us getting Meier is purely dependent on if NJ wants to turn into Edmonton with all offense, no defense, a not going to age well 9 million dollar RHD, and meh goaltending. Or they realize depth across all are key. I understand NJ has prospect depth but they are just prospects.

how about this deal?

3 way with Florida and Chicago.
Florida: Kevin Wall's rights, McCabe @ 50%
Chicago: Philly's 2024 2nd, Florida's 2nd and Florida prospect
Carolina: Bennett

 

[Sigurd]

That's a bit much, isn't it? Sheng Peng has reported that the expected cost would be a 1st & a Grade 'A' prospect, a 1st & 2 Grade 'B' prospects, or a "good prospect" & a young roster player. He's now reported that in 2 straight articles, the last being from today.

Exec Expects Sharks Will Get Horvat-Like Return for Meier

Could the return for Bo Horvat be a model for Timo Meier and the San Jose Sharks? “Probably a very similar deal as to the Bo Horvat trade,” an NHL executive from outside of the Sharks organization opined to San Jose Hockey Now, about a potential return in a Meier trade. The Vancouver Canucks...

sanjosehockeynow.com

Yes, based on this, Carolina trades:

1st round 2023, Drury, and Heimosalmi (or another B tier defenseman since they need defense) for Meier.

We can always improve one of the prospects a little bit, or even add a 2nd round pick (we have Philly's that's almost a 1st round), but based on that insider's quote, we can trade lower tier prospects than our two stud defensive prospects (Morrow and Nikishin). It really depends if there's a bidding war.

Maybe we even ask for Megna with Meier as some have suggested; which would justify throwing in a 2nd round pick IMO with what I was suggesting.

If you are going to let Turbo get a big contract elsewhere, you will want to keep Jarvis long-term even with Meier in tow. IMO, from a roster-management perspective, Jarvis is a non-starter short of an Elias Pettersson or his ilk.

Regarding the discussion about Jarvis in recent posts (there's been several good points around trading versus not trading him for Meier), ideally if we trade a winger for Meier, it's TT. Which is what I was saying all along. We dump TT's $5 million dollar salary, and considering the recent talk in this topic about going ahead and trading Jarvis so we don't have his first big/non-ELC salary to worry about on top of so many other good players in 2024, why wouldn't we just trade TT if we're concerned about the money? I know TT doesn't fit the bill of "young, NHL established player" at 30, but he still has value to them, and he can always be traded at next year's deadline for another prospect and or draft pick depending on if he has a bounce back season; which he probably will.


Finally, I wanted to copy and paste this quote from Sheng Peng from San Jose in today's comment section about Meier:

"These are all good points. But a key thing, alluded to in my story, that this source said, there just isn’t a lot of $$$ space out there even if you see Meier as a long-term solution to your team. Like if NYI did, well, that money is prob about to be taken up by Horvat. Who else wants to fit him in long-term to pay a higher trade price? You need at least two teams vying for that. Or is Meier more a potential rental hence the Horvat price? We’ll see. My personal opinion is the Sharks will get a little more than Horvat but not a huge amount more, just a guess."

He raises the issue of Meier's huge contract being a problem for teams to fit in long term, and thus that lowering the amount of people trying to trade for him.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Yes, based on this, Carolina trades:

1st round 2023, Drury, and Heimosalmi (or another B tier defenseman since they need defense) for Meier.

We can always improve one of the prospects a little bit, or even add a 2nd round pick (we have Philly's that's almost a 1st round), but based on that insider's quote, we can trade lower tier prospects than our two stud defensive prospects (Morrow and Nikishin). It really depends if there's a bidding war.

Maybe we even ask for Megna with Meier as some have suggested; which would justify throwing in a 2nd round pick IMO with what I was suggesting.

Regarding the discussion about Jarvis in recent posts (there's been several good points around trading versus not trading him for Meier), ideally if we trade a winger for Meier, it's TT. Which is what I was saying all along. We dump TT's $5 million dollar salary, and considering the recent talk in this topic about going ahead and trading Jarvis so we don't have his first big/non-ELC salary to worry about on top of so many other good players in 2024, why wouldn't we just trade TT if we're concerned about the money? I know TT doesn't fit the bill of "young, NHL established player" at 30, but he still has value to them, and he can always be traded at next year's deadline for another prospect and or draft pick depending on if he has a bounce back season; which he probably will.


Finally, I wanted to copy and paste this quote from Sheng Peng from San Jose in today's comment section about Meier:

"These are all good points. But a key thing, alluded to in my story, that this source said, there just isn’t a lot of $$$ space out there even if you see Meier as a long-term solution to your team. Like if NYI did, well, that money is prob about to be taken up by Horvat. Who else wants to fit him in long-term to pay a higher trade price? You need at least two teams vying for that. Or is Meier more a potential rental hence the Horvat price? We’ll see. My personal opinion is the Sharks will get a little more than Horvat but not a huge amount more, just a guess."

He raises the issue of Meier's huge contract being a problem for teams to fit in long term, and thus that lowering the amount of people trying to trade for him.

I'd rather just run a stacked team until 2024 and let Turbo walk if we acquire Meier. Turbo's more valuable as a contributor than as draft capital because wingers like him are frequently undervalued when not producing offense; teams outside of Carolina overlook that he's more than just a guy that produces offense, but also an elite PKer.

 

[mikeyfan]

How about this for a trade, if Larkin is available?

Drury, Teravainen, 2023 1st, Nikishin, and Chicago's 6th For Larkin and Vrana? Larkin signs for the 8 years 9 million he wants.

Larkin moves into the 2C slot, Vrana into Tevo's slot, for the time being, he gives us an awesome 1st/2nd line and a PP threat. If Vrana just does so-so we don't have to sign him, however if he plays up to his capability then we can resign him fairly cheap IMO to a long term contract.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

How about this for a trade, if Larkin is available?

Drury, Teravainen, 2023 1st, Nikishin, and Chicago's 6th For Larkin and Vrana? Larkin signs for the 8 years 9 million he wants.

Larkin moves into the 2C slot, Vrana into Tevo's slot, for the time being, he gives us an awesome 1st/2nd line and a PP threat. If Vrana just does so-so we don't have to sign him, however if he plays up to his capability then we can resign him fairly cheap IMO to a long term contract.

isnt Vrana a negative asset right now?

 

[ndp]

I'd rather just run a stacked team until 2024 and let Turbo walk if we acquire Meier. Turbo's more valuable as a contributor than as draft capital because wingers like him are frequently undervalued when not producing offense; teams outside of Carolina overlook that he's more than just a guy that produces offense, but also an elite PKer.

TT, while still not scoring goals, has also quietly caught up to Jarvis in points, in 10 less games.

When Aho is rolling, Turbo is rolling seems like every time those two get separated they both struggle a little bit. Right now they seem to be in a groove.

I know a lot of people think TT’s production is largely because of Aho but I think that’s more of a two way street than some would like to admit. And if TT’s production is due to being “carried” by Aho wouldn’t the same be true of Jarvis?


EDIT TO ADD: I’d trade TT + 1st for a market value extended Meier in a heartbeat.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

how about this deal?

3 way with Florida and Chicago.
Florida: Kevin Wall's rights, McCabe @ 50%
Chicago: Philly's 2024 2nd, Florida's 2nd and Florida prospect
Carolina: Bennett

So we get Sam Bennett for Philly's 2024 2nd and Kevin Wall (a former 6th rounder)?

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

So we get Sam Bennett for Philly's 2024 2nd and Kevin Wall (a former 6th rounder)?

Yea. Florida needs cap space

 

[User13452]

If they can’t get Meier then I’d say go after O’Reilly. Won’t cost much has playoff pedigree and a change of scenery plus some time off with his current energy may just be what he needs. Would also add a little size and grit as well as scoring into the top 6. Aho, O’Reilly, Staal and then Statsny down the middle is very strong

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Yea. Florida needs cap space

Florida would probably rather get cap space through a Bobrovsky @ 50% trade or even a Sam Reinhart or Duclair trade than with a Bennett trade. The term and cap hit are both too team-friendly to not keep him.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Florida would probably rather get cap space through a Bobrovsky @ 50% trade or even a Sam Reinhart or Duclair trade than with a Bennett trade. The term and cap hit are both too team-friendly to not keep him.

with what are they paying someone to take on Bob even at 50%? And no he isnt a positive asset at that point.

i dont buy they would rather trade Reinhart that Bennett.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Yea. Florida needs cap space

If we could get him for that price, it would be a no-brainer.

 

[Sigurd]

If they can’t get Meier then I’d say go after O’Reilly. Won’t cost much has playoff pedigree and a change of scenery plus some time off with his current energy may just be what he needs. Would also add a little size and grit as well as scoring into the top 6. Aho, O’Reilly, Staal and then Statsny down the middle is very strong

Well, center wise, I personally would prefer him over Toews. O'Reilly being 3 years younger than Towes helps, he'll have a much cheaper contract, and ROR brings so much besides just offensive points.

Reading about ROR on the following deadline list (which was linked on the main board), I was thinking ROR is like a more offensively gifted Jordan Staal.

- Yahoo Sports

sports.yahoo.com

 

[LakeLivin]

O'Reilly is out with a broken foot, right? Can anyone actually see the Borg spending resources on a rental O'Reilly given the risk of a mended broken foot not holding up through the playoffs? I ask that with no medical expertise; maybe the risk isn't as high as I fear. But it does seem like a pro hockey player is subject to a huge amount of stress on his foot.

 

[User13452]

This team needs way more out of Teravainen that’s why I think another top 6 forward is a must.

 

[MinJaBen]

O'Reilly is out with a broken foot, right? Can anyone actually see the Borg spending resources on a rental O'Reilly given the risk of a mended broken foot not holding up through the playoffs? I ask that with no medical expertise; maybe the risk isn't as high as I fear. But it does seem like a pro hockey player is subject to a huge amount of stress on his foot.

Given our history, I think the borg looks at the broken foot as a feature, not a bug.

 

[User13452]

You’ve got Turbo and KK both in your top 6 and they just aren’t providing the scoring needed they can’t go past the deadline without adding at least 1 top 6 scorer. Can’t rely on aho Svech and necas to carry the load every night

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

Another one that I’ve been thinking about lately if you had to pick one of:

A. Re-signing Slavin for the next 8 seasons at around $7M or so.

Or

B. Re-signing Pesce AND Sjkei long-term at $6-6.5M hometown discount each. (I think both would fetch more on the open market)

Which one do you take?

I take Slavin easily, he's not replaceable. Pesce and Skjei would be hard to replace 1 or both of, but not impossible. Slavin is the best D man in the league to me and won't get paid like it because he doesn't put up big points so he's a no brainer to re-sign. But I think we'll have zero issues at all keeping Slavin and at least 1 of Pesce or Skjei. Very possibly all 3.

 

[Tryamw]

I take Slavin easily, he's not replaceable. Pesce and Skjei would be hard to replace 1 or both of, but not impossible. Slavin is the best D man in the league to me and won't get paid like it because he doesn't put up big points so he's a no brainer to re-sign. But I think we'll have zero issues at all keeping Slavin and at least 1 of Pesce or Skjei. Very possibly all 3.

Thank you for not resigning him..