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WolfHouse said:
Konecny gets hurt a fair bit too... I'd be hard pressed to move on from Ehlers given that he IS the guy you're talking about who always gives a shit and never complains... then we reward him by trading him for... Ehlers 2.0?
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I see it as one guy is likely to re-sign here and that is Ehlers.

Connor is a better finisher than Ehlers and has been more durable. But he also has had the usage of an elite winger and was the preferred guy for Scheif to have with him. Where Ehlers has always fit best (therefore been used) as a 2nd line and 2nd PP guy. This has definitely suppressed his counting stats.

He could definitely play a bigger role. It has just always made more sense to play Connor 1st and Ehlers 2nd because Ehlers is more of a one man army. He is also now finally a true veteran, and that experience is crucial for success when the games get harder. European guys especially can take a bit longer to adjust to that less is more style in playoff hockey.

Wheeler even fit this description. Didn't peak on and off the ice until late 20's.

Ehlers is well positioned to contribute another 7 or 8 years here with his tools and IQ. Just need to get another Stastny/Dubois type guy in here to get the absolute best out of him.
 
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Pius Suter still out there as a UFA - wonder if there's off-ice issues... or no one wants to pay $3-4m

Suter at 2.5m would work with our cap I think if you ditch Stanley and AJF
 
WolfHouse said:
Konecny gets hurt a fair bit too... I'd be hard pressed to move on from Ehlers given that he IS the guy you're talking about who always gives a shit and never complains... then we reward him by trading him for... Ehlers 2.0?
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Ehlers' give a shit factor is dwarfed by Konecny's...not even close.

You want accountability? This is a player that demands accountability.
 
WolfHouse said:
This reads like a total catastrophe... I don't mind losing a player to UFA but lose all of them on a delusion that this roster will win a playoff series against Vegas or Colorado?

I'm big on DD and Lambert as top players... then McGro and Barlow as Andrew Copp kind of guys - but the gaps left to be filled will mean we force guys into top 6 roles and probably hurt their development... rather than ease them in and let them seize the moment the way Perfetti has

Trade as much as you can at TD... play guys up and down the roster for the rest of the season - less pressure at the end of the season - see who shines... move on to the new core
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I laid out the scenario according to what appears likely as of today. That could change at any moment. A trade could happen or an extension. But I'm seeing no signs of either actually happening. So 5 of the 6 walk after the season.

I'm not recommending it as a plan. It appears, at the moment, to be the plan.

The question is, then what happens?
 
Mortimer Snerd said:
I want to take a little bit different look at the near future.

It is looking like the Jets could have a pretty good season, with a little luck.
Lets assume that both Scheif and Helle stay for their last contract seasons without extending. Even though we make the PO, win a series and put up a good fight, losing the 2nd series in 7 games, neither chooses to accept Chevy's last best offer.

How bad will the 25 season be?
Other teams lose key players to UFA. It happens every year. That's why there is Free Agent Frenzy.

We will have filled 2C this season. Just for discussion, lets pretend that Vilardi stepped into that role fairly smoothly. But now we need to find another top 6C. We are again looking for an internal solution. Is it realistically there?

With Helle gone what are we going to do in net? Even if either or both of Dom and Milic are progressing very well it isn't likely that either is ready. Do we just wait for one of them? Or do we find an adequate placeholder/Helle replacement by trade or FA signing?

Unless there are some extensions in the works right now, we probably also lose Nino, Dillon, DeMelo and Brossoit. We can probably re-sign Bro, but the others probably move on.

IMO, goal is the biggest problem. The other holes should be filled by our prospect pool. If not for the 25 season, at least for the 26 season. While we have high hopes for Dom and Milic, neither is a gold plated cert to make it in the NHL. But even there, other teams cope every season.
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Interesting scenario:

First the team is going to want to leave some spots on 2025 for some kids to claim but they will also need stop gaps as maybe only 1 will be ready to make the jump upfront.

Nino has expressed an interest in staying so I reup him during the 23/24 year for another 2 to 3 years.

Goalie would have to be a stop gap 3 to 4 year option. Thay way it gives enough seasoning time for either Milic/DiVincentiis to emerge.

I mentioned in another thread I'd like to see a Perfetti/Vilardi center hybrid model in 23/24 so that both get reps at center. The goal is for them to both be able to center their own line in the 2025 season. If one or both can't convert then Chevy is really going to have to pull out all the stops to get a center next offseason. But for the purpose of this exercise they both are able to do it.

The real wild card upfront is Ehlers. He will be one year from UFA next summer and my belief is he is going to be dealt at some point. But they may also use him as a rental and sell hi at the deadline.

SO here is the top 6:
Nino Perfetti Ehlers*
Conner Vilardi xxxx

So we have one top 6 spot open for one of Lucious/Lambert/Mgrarty to claim.

Bottom 6 should remain largely unchanged with the following being able to be slotted in a variety of configurations; Kupri, Lowry, Barron, Iafallo, Namestnikov.

There would still be a spot for Gus or for an outside acquisition to get..

On defense my guess is the org makes a play to bring back DeMelo but let's Dillion walk.

Chisholm after a year in the PB as the 7 dmen gets a full time role and Ville gets an NHL roster spot.

.So it will likely be a transitional roster that will further integrate more prospects with injuries and in the 2026 season.
 
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Mortimer Snerd said:
I want to take a little bit different look at the near future.

It is looking like the Jets could have a pretty good season, with a little luck.
Lets assume that both Scheif and Helle stay for their last contract seasons without extending. Even though we make the PO, win a series and put up a good fight, losing the 2nd series in 7 games, neither chooses to accept Chevy's last best offer.

How bad will the 25 season be?
Other teams lose key players to UFA. It happens every year. That's why there is Free Agent Frenzy.

We will have filled 2C this season. Just for discussion, lets pretend that Vilardi stepped into that role fairly smoothly. But now we need to find another top 6C. We are again looking for an internal solution. Is it realistically there?

With Helle gone what are we going to do in net? Even if either or both of Dom and Milic are progressing very well it isn't likely that either is ready. Do we just wait for one of them? Or do we find an adequate placeholder/Helle replacement by trade or FA signing?

Unless there are some extensions in the works right now, we probably also lose Nino, Dillon, DeMelo and Brossoit. We can probably re-sign Bro, but the others probably move on.

IMO, goal is the biggest problem. The other holes should be filled by our prospect pool. If not for the 25 season, at least for the 26 season. While we have high hopes for Dom and Milic, neither is a gold plated cert to make it in the NHL. But even there, other teams cope every season.
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Allright, I'll play :D

I had a whole big thing typed up, but really, the goaltending thing is the deal-breaker for me. If Hellebuyck really won't stay, it has to be addressed by the 2024 trade deadline. I can't see a way to solve it without acquiring a goalie in trade before then... even if it means flipping him at the deadline for futures to be used as trade chips in the summer. In your hypothetical world, they didn't, so we're f***ed. Simple as that.

surixon's post above mine is good... fill in with your prospects, keep Nino & Demelo. That gets you the bones of a decent roster for 2024-25, but we would be absolutely sunk without a goalie, or extra trade chips we could use to get a goalie. It's really a rebuild if that happens, like it or not.
 
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SUX2BU said:
7You have the shirt; you tell us ……
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When I wore it at work, everybody wondered what the hell I was wearing. I told them it was from The Princess Bride and no one had seen it. My only saving grace was when the UPS driver showed up and saw the shirt, he said "Oh man, The Princess Bride was one of my favourite movies." But he ridiculed me for not wearing a "Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die” t-shirt...:laugh:
 
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macmaroon said:
Yeah, I joke around that I could wear a different t-shirt a day for two years and not have to do any laundry. It's not much of a stretch as I have an entire room just for my t-shirts and I lost count at about 600. I seriously need to downsize...:sarcasm:
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Any good ones……?
 
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KingBogo said:
As I’ve stated several times I don’t think it is a good idea to go into the season with Scheifele and Helly unresolved. You either trade or extend them prior to camp. After that in season on ice success takes precedence and you are now in to win. TDL deals will only happen if the team is out of playoff contention IMO. You can complain about that if you want but 90% of the ticket buying public will want the playoffs as well as 100% of the players.
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I agree that we should resolve the 55/37 situations before the season begins. But if we cannot due to market factors I'd rather get something for them at the deadline than lose them for nothing. IMO unless the Jets are clear contenders (top 2 team in the west plus top 5 underlying 5v5 stats) the value you get from a few playoff games of these guys is not worth compromising the long term pipeline. I think the Winnipeg market is smart enough to see that.
 
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I think Chevy already has a deal (trade or signed) in place for 37 or 55 ... he is just waiting for the other one to finalize his deal.
Remember when Laine finally signed within 24hrs Connor's deal was announced.
 
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JetsFan815 said:
I agree that we should resolve the 55/37 situations before the season begins. But if we cannot due to market factors I'd rather get something for them at the deadline than lose them for nothing. IMO unless the Jets are clear contenders (top 2 team in the west plus top 5 underlying 5v5 stats) the value you get from a few playoff games of these guys is not worth compromising the long term pipeline. I think the Winnipeg market is smart enough to see that.
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If we are anywhere near a playoff spot Chevy isn’t selling at the TDL. Fans like playoffs and the buzz around them. Many ticket buyers no nothing of prospects and draft picks. Many will just believe we will still just sign Helly and Scheifele after the season. IMO if we don’t move them before the season we are all in and Chevy is more likely to buy then sell at the TDL if we are in a playoff position no matter the contract status of players. That will be our reality.
 
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raideralex99 said:
I think Chevy already has a deal (trade or signed) in place for 37 or 55 ... he is just waiting for the other one to finalize his deal.
Remember when Laine finally signed within 24hrs Connor's deal was announced.
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Pretty different situations. Connor and Laine were without contracts and training camp was fast approaching. Helly and Scheifele are both under contract next season and the true deadline to sign them or trade them is many months away.
 
KingBogo said:
If we are anywhere near a playoff spot Chevy isn’t selling at the TDL. Fans like playoffs and the buzz around them. Many ticket buyers no nothing of prospects and draft picks. Many will just believe we will still just sign Helly and Scheifele after the season. IMO if we don’t move them before the season we are all in and Chevy is more likely to buy then sell at the TDL if we are in a playoff position no matter the contract status of players. That will be our reality.
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Helly will be traded before the deadline even if we are in a playoff race. The difference this year is Helly has said he isn't resigning here. Chevy will have learned from Armstrong in St.Louis that selling off at the deadline if you don't believe you can go all the way is best.
 
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