Rumor: All Purpose Trade Proposals, Speculation and Rumours - 2023/24

[Maukkis]

So if you took Connor, Scheifele and Vilardi and played them exclusively against the opposing team’s 4th lines and bottom pairs for ten minutes a night, they wouldn’t score any goals?

Read. Think about what you read. Process it.

And then, if you want to, answer. This isn't so hard.

 

[DRW204]

Jets were a more difficult team to play against with Toninato and AJF on the 4th line and generated more scoring chances.

I think that just coincided with ESV dominating during that stretch. I do like Toninato but Names, Barron and Iafallo I think are better players.... Debatable on iafallo right now lol. But I don't think subbing in Toninato in for <10m a night on the 4th helps the top 3 lines.

 

[10Ducky10]

Does anyone really think the Jets would start KC and his 7.14m contract on the 4th line?

 

[gojetsgo]

Does anyone really think the Jets would start KC and his 7.14m contract on the 4th line?

no and that would be stupid lol

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I think Mitts and Peterka with a 2nd is fair and they would add quite a bit of scoring. Mitts is good at 5 vs 5 and would probably be a pretty good 2C for us.

But it isn't.

No way Buffalo adds. Not even a 7th. Even without an extension.

 

[tbcwpg]

Going to use this as a jumping off post....

So from KCs injury to his return the Jets were iirc 8th in gf/60 and 2nd at 5v5 gf/60...still same pp issues so all strengths taking a hit. But performed V well at 5v5 and overall.

Since he returned - 31st in both.

We've added Monahan, effectively KC from Jan 16 onward, and now a possible other top 6er being thought of.

Methinks this is a chemistry /lineup-mix issue not individual player. A slump is a couple players unable to score... but we're talking essentially an entire team (with presumably an upgraded roster) for nearly 15 gp being the worst in the nhl at scoring,

This organization has tried for force Connor and Scheifele forever and that's what's happening now. If you put together 27/55/13 again and had Connor on the 2nd line, I think that would be better, but I'm just an internet forum poster.

 

[DRW204]

This organization has tried for force Connor and Scheifele forever and that's what's happening now. If you put together 27/55/13 again and had Connor on the 2nd line, I think that would be better, but I'm just an internet forum poster.

CSV has shown promise at times, but I think still inferior to what ESV brought. But agree they are trying to force CS. it's almost impossible to comment show Connor would look away from scheifele since there's almost no time of that configuration (however scheifele has looked fine away from Connor). Apparently the organization was "salivating" at the thought of Connor back on the top line in December while ESV were on their tear.

The 2nd line down has given you nothing really. Since Jan 15th, Mason Appleton leads the team in goals at 5v5. That shouldn't be happening with scheifele, ehelrs, connor, vilardi, Perfetti, lowry, morrissey, and nino.

 

[Jack7222]

I think CSV only seems to work when Scheif is beasting and carries the line.

And someone is going to have to explain to me how and why Ehlers' results are so good when he's so inconsistent and often giving the puck away in the neutral zone...

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Agreed, seems all of the Jets coaches (since Ehlers made the NHL) like KC more then Ehlers. Ehlers is fun to watch, exciting often.......but can also be frustrating to watch at times how he plays. KC game to game you know what you get........Ehlers at times is like a box chocolates, not always sure which Ehlers is showing up. When Ehlers is playing his A game, he might be my favorite player on the Jets, but when he's not playing his A game he can be invisible at times which is frustrating when he has so much skill.

And when KC is not playing his A game?
He is also invisible, maybe even more so, or visible in negative ways.
KC is just as likely to be invisible as Ehlers, as we have seen recently. And yet people still say things like, "KC game to game you know what you get" and apparently coaches think it.

 

[hn777]

Does anyone really think the Jets would start KC and his 7.14m contract on the 4th line?

I mean atm they are feeding Ehlers and his 6m contract bottom six minutes.

 

[surixon]

This org lives and dies on the backs of who they perceive as their core players. For whatever reason the org decided long ago the KC was one and Fly was not one and nothing has changed since.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

There are two chemistry issues on this team:

1) Connor plays too much relative to how much support he needs at 5v5, and
2) The Lowry line gets far too much 5v5 ice time relative to its offensive potential.

That's about it. For years, there has been no flexibility with those two points. Funnily enough, the same issues persist. Lots of posters see it, yet the ones who are getting paid to see it don't.

I don't see what a top 6 winger would add to this team. Unless you get someone who turns the 81-55 pairing into a blossoming success after years of mediocrity, it's literally not going to matter. Meanwhile, that's going to push one of Ehlers, Perfetti, or Vilardi down to the 4th, which is surely going to lighten up the mood in that room.

If we wanted to fix the chemistry, the first move would be to pick one of Connor and Lowry, and build the fourth line around them. One, not both. Go from there and see what happens. We would gain some wiggle room, that's for sure - both moves would break dysfunctional pieces of the puzzle that have remained in place for far, far too long now.

I don't think building a better 4th line is the way to go. Your 2 issues are solved by swapping Ehlers and Connor and giving the 2nd line (I mean the KC, Monahan, Perfetti line) more minutes and the Lowry line fewer.

 

[Hunter368]

And when KC is not playing his A game?
He is also invisible, maybe even more so, or visible in negative ways.
KC is just as likely to be invisible as Ehlers, as we have seen recently. And yet people still say things like, "KC game to game you know what you get" and apparently coaches think it.

Things aren't black & white, all players can be inconsistent at times, KC & Ehlers just two examples, Ehlers seems to be just a bit more so (plus KC has a higher upside when he is on). Coaches want to win, literally their job depends on it so they will play the players who give them the best chance of winning. One could argue if one coach or one staff mishandled a player, but in this case its been three coaches and staffs..........hard to argue that especially when two of the coaches involved have had some significant success within the NHL and aren't some one & done coach called up from the minors. As I stated I love Ehlers the person and at times love him as a player, but if one has to be traded its Ehlers IMO. PS: I'm not advocating that he is traded, just commenting on others posts and saying if forced to pick one to go.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

CSV has shown promise at times, but I think still inferior to what ESV brought. But agree they are trying to force CS. it's almost impossible to comment show Connor would look away from scheifele since there's almost no time of that configuration (however scheifele has looked fine away from Connor). Apparently the organization was "salivating" at the thought of Connor back on the top line in December while ESV were on their tear.

The 2nd line down has given you nothing really. Since Jan 15th, Mason Appleton leads the team in goals at 5v5. That shouldn't be happening with scheifele, ehelrs, connor, vilardi, Perfetti, lowry, morrissey, and nino.

The season KC scored his career peak 47 goals he played mostly with PLD, not Scheifele. So we have that.

I think CSV only seems to work when Scheif is beasting and carries the line.

And someone is going to have to explain to me how and why Ehlers' results are so good when he's so inconsistent and often giving the puck away in the neutral zone...

Might it be, just possibly, that Ehlers often turns the puck over at the offensive blueline because he often HAS the puck at the offensive blueline?

 

[Jack7222]

The season KC scored his career peak 47 goals he played mostly with PLD, not Scheifele. So we have that.



Might it be, just possibly, that Ehlers often turns the puck over at the offensive blueline because he often HAS the puck at the offensive blueline?

Connor has cracked the code. Never get blamed for making bad plays by simply never being anywhere near the puck until it's in the ozone. (I'm only half joking?)

 

[Aries56]

KFC will be fine, he's still almost a PPG player. I would like to see him battle more for the puck like he did early in the year, I'm starting to see him float too much.

My biggest knock on Ehlers is when we are applying pressure in the offensive zone and he takes a shot that misses the net and it follows the boards out. Otherwise, he's great at zone entry and carrying the puck in open space. Coaches love consistency, turnovers from challenging a defender and losing or by taking a bad shot will drive coaches crazy.

 

[Maukkis]

I don't think building a better 4th line is the way to go. Your 2 issues are solved by swapping Ehlers and Connor and giving the 2nd line (I mean the KC, Monahan, Perfetti line) more minutes and the Lowry line fewer.

You're intelligent enough to know that the idea is not to just improve the fourth. The point is that we need to break up the first line, and ideally the third too - to improve all four lines. I'd make both those chances tomorrow if given a chance, but they're choosing to paying a millionaire to not see an obvious issue.

It blows my mind why neither of these options is never even attempted unless they're absolutely forced to (t.ex. Scheifele and Connor getting injured). We have public data across many seasons suggesting that Connor and Scheifele should be separated / Ehlers and Scheifele work well as a tandem. And nothing happens.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Things aren't black & white, all players can be inconsistent at times, KC & Ehlers just two examples, Ehlers seems to be just a bit more so (plus KC has a higher upside when he is on). Coaches want to win, literally their job depends on it so they will play the players who give them the best chance of winning. One could argue if one coach or one staff mishandled a player, but in this case its been three coaches and staffs..........hard to argue that especially when two of the coaches involved have had some significant success within the NHL and aren't some one & done coach called up from the minors. As I stated I love Ehlers the person and at times love him as a player, but if one has to be traded its Ehlers IMO. PS: I'm not advocating that he is traded, just commenting on others posts and saying if forced to pick one to go.

I disagree that KC is more consistent than Ehlers. I especially disagree that KC has a higher upside. KC's upside is likely to produce more GF. It is also likely to produce more GA.

Coaches will play the players they perceive as giving them the best chance of winning. Right or wrong.

Same big IF as yours. If one has to be traded it hands down should be Connor. His net benefit on the ice is less. Other organizations would value KC higher the same way Jets do so he would also bring the higher return. I'm also not advocating trading either of them.

If it comes to that though, I agree with those who say the org would more likely trade Ehlers. In a backhanded sort of way, I would agree with that, since they continue to fail to appreciate him and underutilize him. It might be best if they trade him for someone they will like better.

 

[AtomicJets]

Perfetti and Ehlers have done shit-all for the last ten games. Boohoo they are on the second line. These guys are here to produce.

 

[hn777]

Perfetti and Ehlers have done shit-all for the last ten games. Boohoo they are on the second line. These guys are here to produce.

You can call it second line all you want, but if they get bottom six minutes, is it really the second line?

 

[Maukkis]

Perfetti and Ehlers have done shit-all for the last ten games. Boohoo they are on the second line. These guys are here to produce.

Do you want to win, or to have our players playing on lines that they "deserve" to play on?

 

[Channelcat]

KFC will be fine, he's still almost a PPG player. I would like to see him battle more for the puck like he did early in the year, I'm starting to see him float too much.

My biggest knock on Ehlers is when we are applying pressure in the offensive zone and he takes a shot that misses the net and it follows the boards out. Otherwise, he's great at zone entry and carrying the puck in open space. Coaches love consistency, turnovers from challenging a defender and losing or by taking a bad shot will drive coaches crazy.

I agree, his checking was far better early in the season. Dare I say, he was almost physical at times and we were seeing 200 ft of hustle. THAT Kfc was a very, very good hockey player. Same would apply to Perfetti.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

You're intelligent enough to know that the idea is not to just improve the fourth. The point is that we need to break up the first line, and ideally the third too - to improve all four lines. I'd make both those chances tomorrow if given a chance, but they're choosing to paying a millionaire to not see an obvious issue.

It blows my mind why neither of these options is never even attempted unless they're absolutely forced to (t.ex. Scheifele and Connor getting injured). We have public data across many seasons suggesting that Connor and Scheifele should be separated / Ehlers and Scheifele work well as a tandem. And nothing happens.

I agree with your issues, not your solution. The Lowry line is fine as is, just a little overused. Connor on the 4th line is a waste of him as a player, not to mention his contract.

Connor on the 2nd line could elevate that line. Against softer matchups he is likely to score more and his defensive weakness will be less exposed.

 

[AtomicJets]

Do you want to win, or to have our players playing on lines that they "deserve" to play on?

I want to win. Connor has been better than Ehlers by almost every metric this season. Go ahead and look it up on naturalstattrick if you don't believe me. Ehlers is not playing well and he's been really bad in the last ten. Perfetti is a ghost. On one hand people want to drop Connor off the top line for his defensive flaws, but they want to elevate Ehlers even while he's been worse.

Player Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick

 

[Gm0ney]

Agreed, seems all of the Jets coaches (since Ehlers made the NHL) like KC more then Ehlers. Ehlers is fun to watch, exciting often.......but can also be frustrating to watch at times how he plays. KC game to game you know what you get........Ehlers at times is like a box chocolates, not always sure which Ehlers is showing up. When Ehlers is playing his A game, he might be my favorite player on the Jets, but when he's not playing his A game he can be invisible at times which is frustrating when he has so much skill.

I don't know how coaches overlook Connor's atrocious game when he's not scoring goals. Half the time it's like "Controller Disconnected" and the other half it's like "Do you know what you're supposed to be doing in your zone right now?" and the other half it's like "Well that was a disappointing zero effort stick-wave" and the other half...wait...