I think that one issue with Ehlers' playstyle is that he needs to be 'the guy'. He is the one that controls the play most of the time and the other two forwards often end up playing a bit more of a supporting role, skating around trying to guess what he's going to do. It's effective, but I do wonder if maybe it doesn't sit well with certain players.
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Also - The building a better 4th line was a little facetious. I knew that wasn't the point. Sorry.
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This is the ideal solution, should he and Monahan work well together. Whether it would be best to have them with Vilardi or Perfetti, who knows.
But all of this, ultimately, comes back to the same problem: they're not trying anything new. Even having Lowry on the fourth would be an improvement, because that would create a more offensive third line - and allow for more combinations in the "new" top 9. But as it stands, they're just wasting a lot of potential. How come we have an offensive driver like Niederreiter doing largely nothing, when we have problems in the top 6?
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And who besides Monahan and Hellebuyck has done more for the last 10 games?
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Ehlers has been the more productive player at even strength. The gap between the two is quite large.
I'm of the opinion that most of the team sucks right now, and there are probably more than 15 people who need a wake-up call. It would only be logical to start from the line that gets 20 minutes a night and does f*** all with it.
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The guys who have actually scored? Ehlers has one goal in the last ten. Name a player and he has almost certainly contributed more than Ehlers.
Every other metric in the table. P/60 says nothing about defensive impact.
You forgot the part where winning means to score more goals than your opponent.
5v5 last three seasons:
Scheifele - Connor (w/o Ehlers) GF 56 - GA 63
Scheifele - Ehlers (w/o Connor) GF 40 - GA 21
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I see Lowry getting bumped to the 4th line at some point. But right now we don't have the 2 way C to play on the 3rd line.
We could try Names there but honestly, I don't see him as being good enough either offensively or defensively for that role. I know he filled in at 2C fairly well but he is not a shutdown player nor is he an offensive driver.
We need to get a 2C first and then a 3C better than Lowry before Lowry gets bumped down.
The entire team has been unable to score for more than the last 10 games. Singling out Ehlers and Perfetti is pointless.
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Connor is among the team's worst skaters in terms of Corsi against (#18), while Ehlers sits at #2. You got one answer w/r/t Connor getting lit up with Scheifele above, so even actual goals against don't really support your argument here.
I think you mixed up Connor and Ehlers in your post there...
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The idea was that the team was playing like a contender. They earned the support of management trading to strengthen them for a PO run. The last 15 games have not lived up to that. Any additional TD moves should be put on hold until this team gets back to playing the right way.
Was the Van game a mirage? Or was it more about Van than about Jets? They turned around and gave up 10 goals the next game - to Minny (though they also scored 7 so .....).
Seriously, the team is not looking good. Either they can't score, or they can't defend. Mostly can't score. This doesn't look like last year's collapse. Not exactly. But there is a resemblance.
Was the Van game a mirage? Or was it more about Van than about Jets? They turned around and gave up 10 goals the next game - to Minny (though they also scored 7 so .....).
Seriously, the team is not looking good. Either they can't score, or they can't defend. Mostly can't score. This doesn't look like last year's collapse. Not exactly. But there is a resemblance.
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most of the games we played fine we just couldn't score and had a bunch of injuries and had we had any sort of pp we would have won way more games
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Yeah...Another Connor Vs. Ehlers debate. And here I was worried we wouldn't have one today 
Explain it to me like I'm five because I am not sure which metrics you're referring to at all. Giveaways??
Well, I'm guessing there's some truth to it?
Connor's slumps are few and far between and when he's hot he's a scoring machine.
He's not just as likely to be as invisible as Ehlers, just look at scoresheets from the past 6 years.
Connor is a scorer, he's not perfect. You need consistent scorers
Yes, he is not a guy, you win with. He - together with PLD and Wheeler - got eaten alive by Vegas in last years PO's, when our four best playdrivers (Ehlers, Scheifele, Morrissey, and Perfetti) were out lot of the series due to injury.
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what? a team with out their #1 centers #1 defensemen another top 6 winger weren't good against the team that won the stanley cup? you don't say...
Pretty sure Ehlers + Scheifele + Perfetti would have done better, if Connor + PLD + Wheeler were the ones injured. I mean, the team was more than fine without Connor this year.
Last year's collapse was a team-wide SH% drought, but also a Hellebuyck regression. The Jets actually played better in terms of analytics as they slumped (although that may have been score effects from chasing games). They were pretty consistently above 50% xGF through the slump.
This year we've had the SH% drought but also the xGF% has gone down significantly...right around the time Connor came back.
While Connor was injured the Jets 5-game moving average xGF% was consistently flirting with 60%. For the whole period December 17 - Jan 15, it averaged 58.83%. Since Connor returned to the lineup, the Jets xGF% avg is 52.72%. Generating 0.25 less xGF per game, and giving up 0.15 more xGA per game.
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it doesn't matter if those 3 would have handled it better, saying were better with out him because we couldn't beat the champs with those injuries is ridiculous
I don't think he is good enough two-ways to play 20 mins a night, or to be one of the best paid. IMO, he is a complementary player, a good scorer, yes, but we have others - more complete players - just as good, when given the opportunity.
Edit: Also, I am not saying... it's because we couldn't beat the champs. That's your assumption, it was an example of what can happen, when the playdrivers are out of the lineup, and we have the complementary (including Connor) left.
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Can you list the 7m players that get outscored while playing consistently with a 1C?
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