Rumor: All Purpose Trade Proposals, Speculation and Rumours - 2023/24

[gojetsgo]

Small sample alert! Here's a larger sample for additional statistical confidence:

Since the start of the 2021 season, Ehlers has played 2821:19 minutes at 5v5.
He has 55 goals and 119 points over that span. 1.16 g/60, 2.53 p/60.

Over the same period, Lowry has played 3169:48 (+348:29) at 5v5.
He has 31 goals (-24) and 72 points (-47). 0.58 g/60, 1.36 p/60.

Connor over the same period has played 3872:20 (+1051:01) at 5v5
He has 76 (+21) goals and 136 points (+17). 1.18 g/60, 2.11 p/60.

So despite playing over 1000 fewer minutes than Connor, he's only 17 points behind him in 5v5 scoring.

The Jets also don't get scored on as much when Ehlers is on the ice.
2.78 GA/60 for Connor vs. 1.98 GA/60 with Ehlers vs 2.01 GA/60 with Lowry.

the post had more to do with people claiming that he was getting bottom six minutes while lowry was getting second line minutes

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Mitts' last two seasons he scored 78 points in 120 games.
KC's last two seasons he scored 173 points in 161 games.
This year Mitts is .8 ppg and KC is .92 ppg.
How can you say Mitts is cheaper when his current deal expires at the end of this season?
Also, do you know how much time he has spent on the wing and how much as a center?
They were born two years apart.

32 GMs will tell you the Sabres add.

Last 2 seasons. This one and the one before.
Yes, .8 to .92
Mitts this year, 2.5 mil, QO 2.6 mil. IF he is extended long term he will cost a lot more than the 2.6. How much more is anybody's guess. You seem to think he is worth a lot less than KC so ...... maybe 5 mil? I think he is a lot better than that so more like 7.5. He is a lot cheaper this year. Next 2 years remains to be seen.
Yes, they were born 2 years apart. Exactly as I said. Mitts is 2 years younger.

I disagree. Not with the 32 GM's. With your statement.

IF Sabres were to add, it would not be anywhere close to the add you listed. Peterka is a promising young player who is scoring at .67 ppg himself. Not a chance.

Agree to disagree.

OK, but on what?

 

[JetsFan815]

He's averaging 16:16 a game.
How many 4th liners play over 16 minutes a game?
He's on pace for 56 points this year.

I would literally trade Connor for any serviceable ~55-60 pt top-6 player who plays hard on both sides of the puck and has some physicality just to get him off this team. I was a Connor supporter but the run the Jets went on without him and how they regressed as soon as he came back has opened my eyes.

Connor + Jets 2025 1st + Barlow for Brady Tkachuk

Connor one for one for Konecny

Connor one for one for Tuch

Heck I'll even consider moving him for a Zegras or Troy Terry who are most likely not as good

 

[Gm0ney]

the post had more to do with people claiming that he was getting bottom six minutes while lowry was getting second line minutes

Ehlers should be getting ALL the minutes!!!

 

[DRW204]

Connor is among the team's worst skaters in terms of Corsi against (#18), while Ehlers sits at #2. You got one answer w/r/t Connor getting lit up with Scheifele above, so even actual goals against don't really support your argument here.

for reference ESV per-60s was 2.66 xGA on 57 CA
Jets for the team 2.33 xGA on 56 CA

 

[BarnabyJones PI]

I would literally trade Connor for any serviceable ~55-60 pt top-6 player who plays hard on both sides of the puck and has some physicality just to get him off this team. I was a Connor supporter but the run the Jets went on without him and how they regressed as soon as he came back has opened my eyes.

Connor + Jets 2025 1st + Barlow for Brady Tkachuk

Connor one for one for Konecny

Connor one for one for Tuch

Heck I'll even consider moving him for a Zegras or Troy Terry who are most likely not as good

Was this just that window when he was leading the NHL in goal scoring earlier this year? One doesn't have to be James Randi to debunk the bolded part.

 

[Adam da bomb]

For all the badmouthing of Connor on here he keeps putting up points. Other players on the team like Perfetti and Ehlers not so much.

 

[Gil Fisher]

Ostrich head in sand dot gif

 

[Jetabre]

delete

 

[10Ducky10]

I would literally trade Connor for any serviceable ~55-60 pt top-6 player who plays hard on both sides of the puck and has some physicality just to get him off this team. I was a Connor supporter but the run the Jets went on without him and how they regressed as soon as he came back has opened my eyes.

Connor + Jets 2025 1st + Barlow for Brady Tkachuk

Connor one for one for Konecny

Connor one for one for Tuch

Heck I'll even consider moving him for a Zegras or Troy Terry who are most likely not as good

First one I wouldn't touch with a million foot pole.
Second one Philly needs to add.
Third one I wouldn't do because I'd be targetting Mitts if I were dealing with the Sabres.

Not pointed at you at all but here's a stat...
KC in 8 seasons has played in 503 games and scored 228 goals and 230 assists for 458 points.
Ehlers in 9 seasons has played 576 games and scored 192 goals and 240 assists for 432 points.

 

[bumblebeeman]

Kyle Connor isn't getting traded. Maybe if he won't re-sign, so at earliest summer of 2025.

 

[Board Bard]

Not pointed at you at all but here's a stat...
KC in 8 seasons has played in 503 games and scored 228 goals and 230 assists for 458 points.
Ehlers in 9 seasons has played 576 games and scored 192 goals and 240 assists for 432 points.

Now try even-strength goals/assists/points per 60, which is the only equitabe counting stat given Connor gets more ice time and PP time than Ehlers.

Player ----ESG/60 -- ESA/60 -- ESP/60
--------------------------------------------------
Ehlers --- 1.130 ----- 1.367 ---- 2.497
Connor -- 1.274 ----- 1.168 ---- 2.442

Before you sputter something like "But coaches something something . . . ." They, like you, are wrong. Ehlers contributes more to scoring than Connor does. That's despite an average of 3 minutes less ice time per game and more than a minute less PP time.

Player --- TOI ----- ES ----- PP ---- SH
---------------------------------------------------
Ehlers --- 16:33 -- 14:26 -- 2:05 --- 0:01
Connor -- 19:29 -- 15:41 -- 3:13 -- 0:33

Even given Ehlers' PP disadvantage, he still doesn't fare too badly there.

Player ---- PPG/60 -- PPA/60 -- PPP/60
---------------------------------------------------
Ehlers --- 1.686 ----- 2.529 ----- 4.216
Connor -- 2.065 ---- 2.840 ------ 4.905

If you divide PPP/60 by PP time on ice, you get this for points per minute of PP time:
Ehlers -- 2.056
Connor -- 1.567

So, really, Ehlers is better there, too, about 33% better. (Actually I'm not sure if this section is right or not, but even without it Ehlers contributes more to scoring.)

Active NHL Forwards ‑ All-Time Even Strength Points per 60 Leaders

Active NHL forwards who hold the all-time record for the highest even strength points per 60 in NHL. All-time even strength points per 60 leaders for active NHL forwards.

www.quanthockey.com

 

[10Ducky10]

Now try even-strength goals/assists/points per 60, which is the only equitabe counting stat given Connor gets more ice time and PP time than Ehlers.

Player ----ESG/60 -- ESA/60 -- ESP/60
--------------------------------------------------
Ehlers --- 1.130 ----- 1.367 ---- 2.497
Connor -- 1.274 ----- 1.168 ---- 2.442

Before you sputter something like "But coaches something something . . . ." They, like you, are wrong. Ehlers contributes more to scoring than Connor does. That's despite an average of 3 minutes less ice time per game and more than a minute less PP time.

Player --- TOI ----- ES ----- PP ---- SH
---------------------------------------------------
Ehlers --- 16:33 -- 14:26 -- 2:05 --- 0:01
Connor -- 19:29 -- 15:41 -- 3:13 -- 0:33

Even given Ehlers' PP disadvantage, he still doesn't fare too badly there.

Player ---- PPG/60 -- PPA/60 -- PPP/60
---------------------------------------------------
Ehlers --- 1.686 ----- 2.529 ----- 4.216
Connor -- 2.065 ---- 2.840 ------ 4.905

If you divide PPP/60 by PP time on ice, you get this for points per minute of PP time:
Ehlers -- 2.056
Connor -- 1.567

So, really, Ehlers is better there, too, about 33% better. (Actually I'm not sure if this section is right or not, but even without it Ehlers contributes more to scoring.)

Active NHL Forwards ‑ All-Time Even Strength Points per 60 Leaders

Active NHL forwards who hold the all-time record for the highest even strength points per 60 in NHL. All-time even strength points per 60 leaders for active NHL forwards.

www.quanthockey.com

Every coach he has had in the NHL is wrong but you are right?
Okay.

 

[Keystone]

The numbers seem to support Ehlers vs Connor, but I understand coaches apparent lack of minutes for Ehlers. Especially a guy like Bones who wants structure. Nik is a free wheeler and I think guys have trouble reading off him. He also stands out because of his speed and when he makes one of his “Hope” passes that gets turned over, it stands out like a sore dink.
I like both players when they are on obviously, but I yell at Ehlers more I’d say. (Swears per 60)
I would like to see one of Ehlers or Connor moved for a RHD this summer and have one of our prospects come into the lineup next year to replace him.

 

[Buffdog]

People ignoring PP production when comparing Connor and Ehlers are as ridiculous as other fanbases saying that we're only winning because of helle.

Last time I checked, power play goals count the exact same as even strength ones, just like a goalie is a part of the team just as much as any other position

 

[Jack7222]

The numbers seem to support Ehlers vs Connor, but I understand coaches apparent lack of minutes for Ehlers. Especially a guy like Bones who wants structure. Nik is a free wheeler and I think guys have trouble reading off him. He also stands out because of his speed and when he makes one of his “Hope” passes that gets turned over, it stands out like a sore dink.
I like both players when they are on obviously, but I yell at Ehlers more I’d say. (Swears per 60)
I would like to see one of Ehlers or Connor moved for a RHD this summer and have one of our prospects come into the lineup next year to replace him.

I think the swears/60 stat changes drastically depending on whether you actually look at guys who aren't carrying the puck...

People ignoring PP production when comparing Connor and Ehlers are as ridiculous as other fanbases saying that we're only winning because of helle.

Last time I checked, power play goals count the exact same as even strength ones, just like a goalie is a part of the team just as much as any other position

How is it ridiculous? The whole conversation is about 5 on 5 usage. Using powerplay numbers to argue that someone should be used more 5 on 5 is ridiculous. No one has a problem with Connor on the powerplay.

 

[bumblebeeman]

I think the swears/60 stat changes drastically depending on whether you actually look at guys who aren't carrying the puck...



How is it ridiculous? The whole conversation is about 5 on 5 usage. Using powerplay numbers to argue that someone should be used more 5 on 5 is ridiculous. No one has a problem with Connor on the powerplay.

It seems like there are 2 convos happening. Some are arguing to trade Connor and that he makes the team worse, some are arguing that Ehlers should get more playing time. These are very different things clearly. Actually, does anyone not want to see Ehlers get more ice time?

 

[Thechozen1]

Connor and Ehlers should both fight to the death then the winner gets the lone criticism.

 

[Buffdog]

I think the swears/60 stat changes drastically depending on whether you actually look at guys who aren't carrying the puck...



How is it ridiculous? The whole conversation is about 5 on 5 usage. Using powerplay numbers to argue that someone should be used more 5 on 5 is ridiculous. No one has a problem with Connor on the powerplay.

Have you ever considered that Bones has Ehlers on the second line to drive it and make it better and more balanced? Maybe he's playing chess and your playing mental checkers?

 

[Board Bard]

Every coach he has had in the NHL is wrong but you are right?
Okay.

Thank you for encapsulating the truth so succinctly. I hadn't taken you for someone who would consider a coach fallible in the matter of Connor vs. Ehlers. Good on you for your perspicacity.

 

[10Ducky10]

Thank you for encapsulating the truth so succinctly. I hadn't taken you for someone who would consider a coach fallible in the matter of Connor vs. Ehlers. Good on you for your perspicacity.

One coach ok but every coach he has had?

 

[DRW204]

top line seems to be better with ehlers at 5v5: GF vs GA it's a stark difference w/ him + scheifele together - not even getting into individual production, chances - just looking at a v simple "analytic" (as bowness labelled it) as GF vs GA. dunno how folks watched this team through Dec-mid Jan and said "oh yea ehlers isn't good on the top line."

ie: looking at scheifele this year (minus last night's game)
+13 of Scheifele's overall +14 came next to ehlers (+11 specifically w/ ESV)

i appreciate the balance argument w/ him on the 2nd line & that's been my rationale as well. however i haven't seen the chemistry w/ those 3 yet to really net a great or cohesive overall top-6. if Connor is all that & a super-star can't he provide balance (ie: like P. Kane in the old Blackhawks days)?

honestly perfetti hasn't been great for a while and monahan is still a newbie here at 5v5 getting acclimiated to linemates & whatnot. overall i don't think that's a great fit stylistically. I liked that line better w/ Namestnikov centering it, but given a 1st+ for Monahan, doubtful that will happen.

i dont care if ehlers is on pp1 or not, PP1 seems to be coming along so that's fine. but i think ehlers getting more 5v5 time helps our PP, he's usually one of our leaders in minors drawn.

 

[Dirtbag151]

I'm starting to think Perfetti will be on our 4th line come playoffs
I could see us grabbing another winger for our second line .
I like him but i don't think he is there yet ,especially for the playoffs

 

[Jets 31]

I'm just going to say this about Connor and Ehlers, they are both good players, both have great attributes and bad ones just like every other player in the league. Even McJesus can get knocks on his defensive game, although i would allow it if he was a Jet Connor has the better scoring ability of him and Ehlers and Ehlers is a little better defensively. To me we are a better team with both than without . This message was brought to you by a huge Jets fan that just wants to watch the Jets win the Cup. Ok continue arguing.

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

I'm starting to think Perfetti will be on our 4th line come playoffs
I could see us grabbing another winger for our second line .
I like him but i don't think he is there yet ,especially for the playoffs

I’m starting to think perfetti may be part of a trade to get us a winger.

To those talking about trading ehlers or Connor - yikes. They are both great and ANY team would fall over themselves to get either of them.

How about we keep both and don’t trade either?