Rumor: All Purpose Trade Proposals, Speculation and Rumours - 2023/24

[RustyCat]

I'm starting to think Perfetti will be on our 4th line come playoffs
I could see us grabbing another winger for our second line .
I like him but i don't think he is there yet ,especially for the playoffs

I agree. I think he is battling a hand injury which has made him pretty ineffective. He also has to get some more foot speed.

Eberle would be a good rental in Perfetti's spot. They are both smart playmakers and I feel like Eberle would do well with Ehlers and Monahan.

 

[DRW204]

I'm starting to think Perfetti will be on our 4th line come playoffs
I could see us grabbing another winger for our second line .
I like him but i don't think he is there yet ,especially for the playoffs

this team was top-5 in GF/60 at 5v5 for essentially half the year until Jan 15th, & 2nd from Dec 10th-Jan 15th (KC's injury). that's w/ Perfetti playing a top-6 role at a solid rate. i think we are losing the plot a bit. these are good & talented players. but the linemate mix hasn't been great as of late.

 

[Jets 31]

I agree. I think he is battling a hand injury which has made him pretty ineffective. He also has to get some more foot speed.

Eberle would be a good rental in Perfetti's spot. They are both smart playmakers and I feel like Eberle would do well with Ehlers and Monahan.

Oh you two's are going to feel the @surixon wrath now.

 

[surixon]

I agree. I think he is battling a hand injury which has made him pretty ineffective. He also has to get some more foot speed.

Eberle would be a good rental in Perfetti's spot. They are both smart playmakers and I feel like Eberle would do well with Ehlers and Monahan.

I think the hand injury is healed now as he's started taking faceoffs again. Honestly if they want to add another forward go four lines deep I'm fine with that. During our last deep playoff run we had Little and Perrault on line 4. But imo it's Ehlers that drops with Name as he seems to be the one not fitting in that well with Sean and has proven chemistry with Namestnikov.

But I think we need an upgrade on defense more, so that is where I'd be looking to shore up the team. Also not sure qe have the cap space for Eberle.

 

[DRW204]

Oh you two's are going to feel the @surixon wrath now.

It's legitimately like this for that poster

 

[FlappyGiraffe]

Gotta wonder if McGroarty fits in somewhere in the top 12 for the end of the season too

 

[Buffdog]

Personally, I think that the reason Ehlers isn't on the top line has little to do with Connor, and more to do with Schiefele.. specifically, they share similar abilities

Both are strong skaters that advance the puck through the neutral zone with speed - I guess that's what people refer to as "line drivers" in this discussion (although I don't think anyone has accurately articulated a definition of that term).

Therefore, you'd want one on each of the top two lines. I think the same could be said of Perfetti and Vilardi to some degree

 

[Jack7222]

Have you ever considered that Bones has Ehlers on the second line to drive it and make it better and more balanced? Maybe he's playing chess and your playing mental checkers?

I definitely think this is part of the reasoning, just not sure I agree with it. This only works if the top line doesn't suck without Ehlers on it, heh.

 

[DRW204]

I'm just going to say this about Connor and Ehlers, they are both good players, both have great attributes and bad ones just like every other player in the league. Even McJesus can get knocks on his defensive game, although i would allow it if he was a Jet Connor has the better scoring ability of him and Ehlers and Ehlers is a little better defensively. To me we are a better team with both than without . This message was brought to you by a huge Jets fan that just wants to watch the Jets win the Cup. Ok continue arguing.

McDavid over the last 3 years is a +54 at 5v5, that's w/ who-the-f***-knows in net.
Connor over the same time-frame is a -1 with one of the GOAT of this generation. i don't think it's really in the same realm of comparison. if KC was putting up way more offense over-and-beyond what he is doing now to get close to the same net-goal differential i think it's a bit more adept of a comparison.

i do agree with your sentiment. you'd be hardpressed to find a player that great at everything, & usually players aren't. linemate mix, spots in the line-up etc. can be used to mitigate some of that (ie: kessel from toronto to pit)

i am not expecting KC to be great defensively, but maybe average? he has not really improved it that much over the years. & then add some of the commentary on reasonings of why X player gets knocked down the line-up or benched, while KC can be super soft w/o the puck and it's fine.

 

[Buffdog]

I definitely think this is part of the reasoning, just not sure I agree with it. This only works if the top line doesn't suck without Ehlers on it, heh.

Or, it it a matter of how much the second line would suck without Ehlers on it? Would the improvement of the first line completely negate the worsening of the second?

We saw a brief iteration of CSE and PMV after the all star break, and I don't think that second line got anything going at all. Would ESV and CMP be any better? Maybe, but that second line could also be worse since you're swapping out a guy with strong defense (vilardi) for someone weak in their own end (connor)

 

[DRW204]

I definitely think this is part of the reasoning, just not sure I agree with it. This only works if the top line doesn't suck without Ehlers on it, heh.

it's better w/ ehlers on it, however wouldn't say it sucks in GF. Goals or Chances Against they have not performed well though so far.

 

[Jack7222]

Or, it it a matter of how much the second line would suck without Ehlers on it? Would the improvement of the first line completely negate the worsening of the second?

We saw a brief iteration of CSE and PMV after the all star break, and I don't think that second line got anything going at all. Would ESV and CMP be any better? Maybe, but that second line could also be worse since you're swapping out a guy with strong defense (vilardi) for someone weak in their own end (connor)

We don't know I guess, but we do know that ESV was insanely good, and that Connor was super good with Dubois... and that Connor with Scheif has never really been all that great. It would be worth trying some other combos at this point.

 

[Jack7222]

it's better w/ ehlers on it, however wouldn't say it sucks in GF. Goals or Chances Against they have not performed well though so far.
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Yikes lol. This during our period when the offense drying up was our biggest issue... (1st number ESV, 2nd CSV)

 

[Maukkis]

Or, it it a matter of how much the second line would suck without Ehlers on it? Would the improvement of the first line completely negate the worsening of the second?

We saw a brief iteration of CSE and PMV after the all star break, and I don't think that second line got anything going at all. Would ESV and CMP be any better? Maybe, but that second line could also be worse since you're swapping out a guy with strong defense (vilardi) for someone weak in their own end (connor)

If that doesn't work, enter N and see what he, a proven, consistent play driver, can do to elevate the top 6. We're paying Nino enough money to play him above the checking line.

 

[abax44]

We could senf them Schmidt and Arvid Holm?

If they take Schmidt thinking he shoots RH, who knows what else the Jets could sneak by them.

 

[DRW204]

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Yikes lol. This during our period when the offense drying up was our biggest issue... (1st number ESV, 2nd CSV)

yeah i pointed out they have not been great on the defensive/GA side. and you just ignored their offensive proficiency, and overall positive in goal differential. will that continue is a different question (haven't been great in the shot share so maybe not). but if they sucked they'd be a negative line.

 

[Jack7222]

yeah i pointed out they have not been great on the defensive/GA side. and you just ignored their offensive proficiency, and overall positive in goal differential. will that continue is a different question (haven't been great in the shot share so maybe not). but if they sucked they'd be a negative line.

Yeah I don't actually think they've been that bad. Just not as incredible as ESV. Not sure ESV would be so incredible now either seeing that so much of the team is slumping.

 

[Buffdog]

We don't know I guess, but we do know that ESV was insanely good, and that Connor was super good with Dubois... and that Connor with Scheif has never really been all that great. It would be worth trying some other combos at this point.

ESV was amazing for a shirt stretch, then went cold in early January and Bones got the blender out. By thr time they were split up, they had come back down to earth

 

[Buffdog]

If that doesn't work, enter N and see what he, a proven, consistent play driver, can do to elevate the top 6. We're paying Nino enough money to play him above the checking line.

Sure, but again.. what happens to the line you take him from?

I think people are missing the point here... the idea with combinations isn't to place the 3 "best players" on the first, next 3 on the second, etc...

It's about being able to win as many matchups as possible. Now, I think that people in here define "winning" differently that the org, which is part of the disconnect between what people think is optimal player deployment vs what were seeing. People think that each line needs to completely tilt the ice vs their opponents instead of simply outscoring them (or even being even)

As I mentioned in the GDT, the top line is basically treading water vs it's opponents in terms of GF and GA... but we're wining matchups down the line up, on special teams and in net. What if that's how the org has designed the team to be successful?

 

[DRW204]

ESV was amazing for a shirt stretch, then went cold in early January and Bones got the blender out. By thr time they were split up, they had come back down to earth

not really. prior to Scheifele missing time in Jan through 5 GP they had 4 GF a a trio (comparable GF/60 rate as December). and w/ Lowry during the Chicago game they had 2 GF. after that the team got SO'd against Philly and then KC came back.

so it was really 1 game they went cold with Lowry.

 

[surixon]

Sure, but again.. what happens to the line you take him from?

I think people are missing the point here... the idea with combinations isn't to place the 3 "best players" on the first, next 3 on the second, etc...

It's about being able to win as many matchups as possible. Now, I think that people in here define "winning" differently that the org, which is part of the disconnect between what people think is optimal player deployment vs what were seeing. People think that each line needs to completely tilt the ice vs their opponents instead of simply outscoring them (or even being even)

As I mentioned in the GDT, the top line is basically treading water vs it's opponents in terms of GF and GA... but we're wining matchups down the line up, on special teams and in net. What if that's how the org has designed the team to be successful?

I mean Vilardi, Perfetti and Monohan performed better than the Ehelrs, Perfetti, Monahan line.

57 XGF% to 35 XGF%

I think it makes sense as well as Vilardi better plays the down low cycle/crash the net game the Bones wants line two to play then what Ehlers does.

 

[Flair Hay]

Or, it it a matter of how much the second line would suck without Ehlers on it? Would the improvement of the first line completely negate the worsening of the second?

We saw a brief iteration of CSE and PMV after the all star break, and I don't think that second line got anything going at all. Would ESV and CMP be any better? Maybe, but that second line could also be worse since you're swapping out a guy with strong defense (vilardi) for someone weak in their own end (connor)

I guess the math would say the answer to your question would be that the swap would "help" the 1st line for 18 mins a game and "hurt" the 3rd line for 13 mins a game.

So it should be a plus change. But things go beyond the stats in hockey, obviously.

 

[Flair Hay]

it's better w/ ehlers on it, however wouldn't say it sucks in GF. Goals or Chances Against they have not performed well though so far.
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Thanks for posting this.

That Perfetti Namestnikov Ehlers line has some pretty tidy numbers over a lot of time. Hopefully the line with Monahan catches up.

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

ESV was amazing for a shirt stretch, then went cold in early January and Bones got the blender out. By thr time they were split up, they had come back down to earth

Ummm. What?

Vilardi, Schiefele, Ehlers had goals, often multiple or even all the goals in the games from Jan 2 to Jan 11.

We lost the Philly game 2-0.

Then Connor came back for the Jan 16 game. Schiefele got injured shortly after.

When was this dry spell and blender for ESV?

 

[DRW204]

Thanks for posting this.

That Perfetti Namestnikov Ehlers line has some pretty tidy numbers over a lot of time. Hopefully the line with Monahan catches up.

yeah that was my expectation for monahan to surpass that given that was the direct replacement. i've seen slower players, or players who don't really play a speed game play well with ehlers, ie: stastny. so it's not impossible, but i don't think it's worked as of yet.