Rumor: All Purpose Trade Proposals, Speculation and Rumours - 2023/24

[jiho]

I think Chevy is done now. He is very loyal to his players and I dont see a move where he is going to bump Schmidt or Pionk to the pressbox.

 

[Flair Hay]

You need defensive depth to win in the playoffs.

Games get even tougher and injuries are par for the course. Getting Tanev gives us a bona-fide veteran depth defenseman in Schmidt.

For something like a 35th oa pick and a b prospect, if you're not pulling the trigger on that when you've been competing for first all year, then you're wasting a rare opportunity for a pic and prospect that will likely be a dime a dozen player, if that.

I agree completely about how valuable Tanev is.

Tanev is almost certainly going for a 1st. He is probably the best player available this deadline.

Basically 6'3 DeMelo

 

[Adam da bomb]

You need defensive depth to win in the playoffs.

Games get even tougher and injuries are par for the course. Getting Tanev gives us a bona-fide veteran depth defenseman in Schmidt.

For something like a 35th oa pick and a b prospect, if you're not pulling the trigger on that when you've been competing for first all year, then you're wasting a rare opportunity for a pic and prospect that will likely be a dime a dozen player, if that.

Yep you just got to accept more rough years in the future. I mean Samberg was picked mid 2nd. Is a veteran depth D worth getting a 1/50 chance of drafting berg.

 

[Flair Hay]

I think Chevy is done now. He is very loyal to his players and I dont see a move where he is going to bump Schmidt or Pionk to the pressbox.

I could see him doing it I just don't think we can afford it

 

[Flair Hay]

Really don't think the Jets need another stay at home /defense first type dmen. This teams been incredible in the GA department with a combo of defense and their goaltending.

Now a bit more offense from the back I can get by certainly, chris tanev isn't that guy though.

Would have been in favor of Chychrun but without a 1st and chevy's low propensity to move high end prospects I don't think that'll happen. Not sure who else is really available.

I get this part.

I do think that bumping Pionk to 3rd pair for a guy like Tanev would be a huge upgrade for the team.

Tanev can handle elite players defensively, Pionk does not have the size and speed to, or the positioning like DeMelo.

Tanev isn't an offensive guy but he does not struggle moving the puck.

He is also a whole other tier of player on the PK as well

 

[Jet]

Yep you just got to accept more rough years in the future. I mean Samberg was picked mid 2nd. Is a veteran depth D worth getting a 1/50 chance of drafting berg.

I don't really agree with that. I think you can remain a competitive d&d team, and also trade away top picks as long as you're not doing it every year.

The Jets might not have magnificent prospect depth but we do have gems in the system at every position. These players should integrate into the big club covering age out and contractual attrition, giving the Jets time to build up the next crop of prospects

 

[WpgSteve]

I'm predicting a renaissance for Monahan. He'll play the rest of the season PPG and Chevy will look like a genius. Another team will sign him to the Kadri deal this summer and regret it.

You heard it here first.

 

[Jet]

I could see him doing it I just don't think we can afford it

In what sense?

 

[DRW204]

I get this part.

I do think that bumping Pionk to 3rd pair for a guy like Tanev would be a huge upgrade for the team.

Tanev can handle elite players defensively, Pionk does not have the size and speed to, or the positioning like DeMelo.

Tanev isn't an offensive guy but he does not struggle moving the puck.

He is also a whole other tier of player on the PK as well

How often has pionk ever been bumped down? And there's been seasons he's performed terribly and that never came to fruition, despite how much we post about it.

Now he and Dillon are playing well. Pionk actually showed up and competed in the PO's last season. I don't think they just demote him.

Also the thing imo defense takes time and to build some chemistry. The Jets have been building this particular d group for 3 years now and are now reaping the benefits of the top GA team in the league. Time to make a bunch of changes I guess? Ie: waive Schmidt, demote pionk, bring in tanev, put samberg right side (suggested earlier this week) .. I really don't think the Jets will do this.

I'm not opposed to a dman but I think they'd benefit more from a guy who can contribute to offense (an actual weakness).

 

[Jet]

I'm just salivating thinking about deployment and how this could impact ice time should everyone stay healthy.

1st line 17 minutes
2nd line 16 minutes
3rd line 14 minutes
4th line 13 minutes

Of course that's averages - game situation would impact that but that's not taxing your top players or atrophying your bottom players.

I know what is like to play low minutes. You sit on the bench for like 6 minutes, get 4 shifts in a period and it's really hard to stay warm, loose, and get a feel for the puck.

The added bonus is that is if you end up in ot you have way more left in the tank than your opponent.

 

[AtomicJets]

I don't think we'll be going big game hunting on defence. Maybe a depth piece.

 

[Jet]

I'm predicting a renaissance for Monahan. He'll play the rest of the season PPG and Chevy will look like a genius. Another team will sign him to the Kadri deal this summer and regret it.

You heard it here first.

I can definitely see this happening

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

If we had gotten Lindholm that would have been our only deal, at least now we can add a defenseman . Another good thing about the Monahan trade.

I think you’re right. Or whe would have had to add to the deal to get a cap dump or retention.

I also think our only 2 options at C - without some miracle deal - were Lindholm and Monahan. I don’t think Henrique is waiving his NTC to come here sadly.

 

[Flair Hay]

How often has pionk ever been bumped down? And there's been seasons he's performed terribly and that never came to fruition, despite how much we post about it.

Now he and Dillon are playing well. Pionk actually showed up and competed in the PO's last season. I don't think they just demote him.

Also the thing imo defense takes time and to build some chemistry. The Jets have been building this particular d group for 3 years now and are now reaping the benefits of the top GA team in the league. Time to make a bunch of changes I guess? Ie: waive Schmidt, demote pionk, bring in tanev, put samberg right side... I really don't think the Jets will do this.

I'm not opposed to a dman but I think they'd benefit more from a guy who can contribute to offense (an actual weakness).

Your 3rd paragraph is a point well taken.

Can take dmen a full year to truly grasp and execute the system at a high level.

That said, it may not have to mean splitting up Pionk and Dillon either...

Could just mean level loading the minutes across all 3 pairs and using pairs more situational.

Samberg getting a couple more mins a game with a better partner and lightening the load a bit on the other pairs helps all three pairs.

Samberg may not take a whole lot of time to develop good enough chemistry with Tanev if it means having him instead of Schmidt? It is a risk though I will concede that.

May mean being able to shave a couple mins of the grind off Morrissey as well. Teams are going to be targeting him physically big time.

Dallas needs D help and wouldn't surprise me if they go very hard after him. Which I hate because Tanev is one of those guys with size that are able to handle Scheif on the cycle and the rush the way most D cannot...

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

I don't think we'll be going big game hunting on defence. Maybe a depth piece.

I think that’s the right mindset to have and then be surprised/happy otherwise. Avoids disappointment. As soon as monahan was announced some folks immediately went to “ok what’s next?”

That being said - I do think they are throwing their line in the water for big game d - but are only using the bait on the hook they are comfortable with.

Wouldn’t be surprised if they were looking at a middle 6 winger as well to shore up the bottom 6….

I'm predicting a renaissance for Monahan. He'll play the rest of the season PPG and Chevy will look like a genius. Another team will sign him to the Kadri deal this summer and regret it.

You heard it here first.

Agreed. 2 assists first game with the jets.

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

I'm just salivating thinking about deployment and how this could impact ice time should everyone stay healthy.

1st line 17 minutes
2nd line 16 minutes
3rd line 14 minutes
4th line 13 minutes

Of course that's averages - game situation would impact that but that's not taxing your top players or atrophying your bottom players.

I know what is like to play low minutes. You sit on the bench for like 6 minutes, get 4 shifts in a period and it's really hard to stay warm, loose, and get a feel for the puck.

The added bonus is that is if you end up in ot you have way more left in the tank than your opponent.

That also puts the other team on their back foot if they can’t roll four lines. With the structure the jets play it’s all about forcing offence from errors. Either a team rolls 4 lines with a few being out matched or they over play 2 trusted lines that get tired and sloppy.

 

[FlappyGiraffe]

Yep you just got to accept more rough years in the future. I mean Samberg was picked mid 2nd. Is a veteran depth D worth getting a 1/50 chance of drafting berg.

I think it is in our situation for the right veteran. Samberg was drafted 7 years ago, 7 years from now new Samberg would be breaking on to the team with late 30s Scheif and Helle which isnt a big help when we're trying to win with these guys.

Lots of time to accumulate 2nd rounders later on when we're trying to reload a bit imo

I'm predicting a renaissance for Monahan. He'll play the rest of the season PPG and Chevy will look like a genius. Another team will sign him to the Kadri deal this summer and regret it.

You heard it here first.

And the team signing him to the Kadri deal will pay a 1st to Montreal to clear cap room by taking on a supposed washed up player, starting the cycle all over again

 

[WolfHouse]

Pivoting from the Monahan trade, what's our next trade? Surely this can't be Chevy's only move, we have a lot of cap space left so lets use it IMO. Lets go big, 1-2 more nice players plz

Another center? Jenner? Adam H?
Top 4 RHD upgrade?
Depth on defense and/or forwards?

4th rounder for lyubushkin
Then no name ahler for no name ahler

 

[FlappyGiraffe]

4th rounder for lyubushkin
Then no name ahler for no name ahler

The moose have been pretty brutal I actually wouldn't mind seeing them make some kind of upgrade there to help them out if it's dirt cheap

 

[WolfHouse]

I get this part.

I do think that bumping Pionk to 3rd pair for a guy like Tanev would be a huge upgrade for the team.

Tanev can handle elite players defensively, Pionk does not have the size and speed to, or the positioning like DeMelo.

Tanev isn't an offensive guy but he does not struggle moving the puck.

He is also a whole other tier of player on the PK as well

I don't know... pionk was elite against McDavid in the playoffs... but yeah I'd rather see him bump Schmidt - Schmidt is not producing any offense really

 

[Moon Man]

I think Chevy is done now. He is very loyal to his players and I dont see a move where he is going to bump Schmidt or Pionk to the pressbox.

Yeah, could be.

 

[DRW204]

Your 3rd paragraph is a point well taken.

Can take dmen a full year to truly grasp and execute the system at a high level.

That said, it may not have to mean splitting up Pionk and Dillon either...

Could just mean level loading the minutes across all 3 pairs and using pairs more situational.

Samberg getting a couple more mins a game with a better partner and lightening the load a bit on the other pairs helps all three pairs.

Samberg may not take a whole lot of time to develop good enough chemistry with Tanev if it means having him instead of Schmidt? It is a risk though I will concede that.

May mean being able to shave a couple mins of the grind off Morrissey as well. Teams are going to be targeting him physically big time.

Dallas needs D help and wouldn't surprise me if they go very hard after him. Which I hate because Tanev is one of those guys with size that are able to handle Scheif on the cycle and the rush the way most D cannot...

i'd be a proponent of getting the 2nd & 3rd pair closer in mins.

samberg-schmidt have been the top xGA pair in the league, what more do you want on the defensive side? do you think they're going to tank defensively b/c they get an extra minute per game (that's what 1-2 more shifts?), really? how about recognize that this team has been stellar on the defensive end this year.

can def argue some more offense, for sure. C. Tanev isn't that. & id also argue the xGF or GF side is more of a Fwd influence rather than defenseman.

the team as a whole is 2.38 xGA/60, not much separates them and #1 at 2.24.

samberg-schmidt: 1.84 xGA/60 vs w/o them: 2.5 xGA/60
Dillon-Pionk 2.30 xGA/60 vs w/o them: 2.4 xGA/60.
morrisseg-demelo 2.64 xGA/60 vs w/o them: 2.26 xGA/60.

it seems like this entire D group has been playing their role at a pretty high level once you consider other contextual factors. somehow the stats equate to this team being elite defensively yet need to jumble a bunch of the pairings and personnel lol.

 

[ocdaddy]

I forgot all about him.

Pretty solid piece for a 4th line.

 

[Adam da bomb]

I don't really agree with that. I think you can remain a competitive d&d team, and also trade away top picks as long as you're not doing it every year.

The Jets might not have magnificent prospect depth but we do have gems in the system at every position. These players should integrate into the big club covering age out and contractual attrition, giving the Jets time to build up the next crop of prospects

Dallas is a d &d team who is competitive. They don’t need to to the same degree as Dallas not wpg but lot of good young players they take late.

 

[KingBogo]

I get this part.

I do think that bumping Pionk to 3rd pair for a guy like Tanev would be a huge upgrade for the team.

Tanev can handle elite players defensively, Pionk does not have the size and speed to, or the positioning like DeMelo.

Tanev isn't an offensive guy but he does not struggle moving the puck.

He is also a whole other tier of player on the PK as well

Agreed on Tanev. IMO he would be the perfect add for us. Adds a more physical element which will be needed in the playoffs. We have also been extremely fortunate with injuries so far so he gives us the ability to guard against being really exposed if we need to go a couple players deep on the depth chart. I think getting a player like that also allows for some rest down the stretch as our top 7 D could spell each other off to heal minor injuries and not get worn down. It also puts Stanley 1 step farther away from the starting lineup and Heinola can get the reps on the Moose in case he is needed down the line.