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All Purpose Mitch Marner Talk II

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Atomos2 said:
I'm looking at a dumber one.

You hold the players accountable. That's the name of the game. It's called expectations and an 11M player putting up 0 offensive production on Friday in a game against an inferior opponent isn't acceptable. And any star making as much as Marner is making and being put in the position he is in would sure as hell be held accountable for a poor offensive output as well. And from what I saw it was the other way around. Matthews was giving Marner good looks and Marner was brutal at finishing it.

It's nice you guys can crawl out of the woodwork when Marner has a good game after hiding during his bad ones. But the goal is to be consistent and if he has a bad game he should get criticized despite how much you want to coddle him and make excuses. It is what it is. Thats the weight of the contract he signed,
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Still missing my point apparently. That type of a statline happens to all the stars in the league no matter if you write out an essay or not.
 
Throw More Waffles said:
Lots of players play big minutes without being significantly overpaid in relation to direct comparables.

Marner demanded that contract and refused to even show up for camp until he got it, essentially taking the clueless young gm hostage.

He put these expectations on himself. If he wanted reasonable expectations, he should have signed a reasonable contract.
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You embellish all the facts to meet your agenda. Marner didn’t miss a day of training camp. All players who don’t have a contract signed by start of trading camp do not report. It’s that simple. In this case marner didn’t miss one day of camp. He was signed.

The only player who missed camp and games was willy.
 
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81Leafs50 said:
I read the following on Maple Leafs Hot Stove (see below). We already know that Nylander is a better goal scorer than Marner, but does this mean that Nylander is just as good of a playmaker too?

"I think I’m starting to wonder if it benefits William Nylander and Mitch Marner if the Leafs swap their spots in the lineup.

Over the past three seasons, the numbers with Matthews and Marner vs. Nylander are close. Matthews has a better corsi with Nylander (56 vs 54) and high-danger scoring chance percentage (57 vs. 56), but the margins are razor-thin.

Nylander and Matthews actually posted a 49% on-ice goals percentage together, while Marner and Matthews are at 56%, and their expected goals is six percentage points higher, too — albeit on a higher PDO overall. But Matthews’ forechecking has evolved since then, and he wants the puck all the time — as does Marner.

If Matthews is going to set someone up to shoot, I’d rather Nylander do the shooting over Marner. Interestingly, with Tavares, the numbers pretty much do the same thing as Tavares-Nylander is at 49% of goals for percentage while Marner-Tavares is comfortably ahead of that mark at over 55%. Their expected goals are higher, their possession is roughly the same, and Marner again has a higher PDO with Tavares."

https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2021/01/18/toronto-maple-leafs-notebook-jan-18/
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You do realize that willy has scored 88 goals in his career so far and marner has scored 86 in fewer games played.
 
Carltons Cup said:
Marner's 2 goals last night were laser beam shots! Glad he's been working on the shot

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2 more than you ever scored outside of xbox probably. Oh darn where is that sarcasm emoji. Marner has to keep going to the net and slamming in garbage. That’s exactly what he wasn’t doing last season. If he scored 30 goals totalling 100 feet distance between them all i wouldn’t blink an eye. I think he will score 30 if he keep going to the paint. He’ll draw some penalties thete too if he wore something other than a Leaf jersey
 
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Good start to the season for Mitchy with 6 points in 4 games, but even better is all are primary (3 G, 3 A1) and not too heavily relying on PP production.
 
Bigmarycombo said:
You do realize that willy has scored 88 goals in his career so far and marner has scored 86 in fewer games played.
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you do realize that Willy had that one year where he started playing after 8 months off and jumped into the season at a time where teams were in playoff form and competition was ramping up. That year really skewed Willy's numbers.
 
Notsince67 said:
A lot of words for someone who has said many times that Nylander is better than Marner. Just spit out what you really mean so we don't waste time with what is wrong with the details of your post.
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If Willy is a better goal scorer, and hes on the same level in terms of playmaking (ex. JT getting off to a great start this season), well then it clearly makes Nylander a better player. Its not my fault that the stats and facts are what they are. Tough noogies bro.
 
81Leafs50 said:
If Willy is a better goal scorer, and hes on the same level in terms of playmaking (ex. JT getting off to a great start this season), well then it clearly makes Nylander a better player. Its not my fault that the stats and facts are what they are. Tough noogies bro.
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Notsince67 said:
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it shows so much that people just laugh off stats that dont support their narratives. I will state the facts once again. Tavares and Matthews produce on relatively the same level regardless of who they are playing with (Nylander/Marner). Marner is overrated and very much over paid.

Over the past three seasons, the numbers with Matthews and Marner vs. Nylander are close. Matthews has a better corsi with Nylander (56 vs 54) and high-danger scoring chance percentage (57 vs. 56), but the margins are razor-thin.

Nylander and Matthews actually posted a 49% on-ice goals percentage together, while Marner and Matthews are at 56%, and their expected goals is six percentage points higher, too — albeit on a higher PDO overall. But Matthews’ forechecking has evolved since then, and he wants the puck all the time — as does Marner.

If Matthews is going to set someone up to shoot, I’d rather Nylander do the shooting over Marner. Interestingly, with Tavares, the numbers pretty much do the same thing as Tavares-Nylander is at 49% of goals for percentage while Marner-Tavares is comfortably ahead of that mark at over 55%. Their expected goals are higher, their possession is roughly the same, and Marner again has a higher PDO with Tavares.
 
I've been as hard on Mitch as anybody and will never like his deal but I feel like there's about ten guys you could complain about before you mention him so far.
 
He frustrates me, but was no worse than anyone else tonight. You want more from you stars, but that goes for Tavares, Rielly and Matthews tonight too.
 
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Voodoo Child said:
I've been as hard on Mitch as anybody and will never like his deal but I feel like there's about ten guys you could complain about before you mention him so far.
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He's the third highest paid player on the team, so it wouldn't make sense to blame 10 other guys before him. He's looked good this season generally but tonight he looked like someone's little brother tagging along, as he tends to look in these junk trap heavy games.

Sometimes I wonder if Keefe should hide him on the Kerfoot line (similar to when he played with Bozak) and let him buzzsaw a weaker defensive matchup on an off night. When you throw him with Matthews it's so predictable that the two of them are trying to connect.
 
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