All Purpose Mitch Marner Talk II

[Brobust]

Marner almost got his head taken off driving to the front of the net and creating a scoring chance and drawing a penalty. When's the last time Nylander did something like that.

I'm not a Nylander hater but he doesn't even belong in the same conversation as Marner. It's like comparing Patrick Kane and JVR.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

If we accept that those are his limitations and he can’t overcome them or evolve as a player, the big philosophical question is why are we trying building a championship program around such a Johnny Gaudreau like player?

That my friend is a great question and we have to leave that one to Dubie ... why is he not working on extending his stride so he can develop blow bye speed? why is he not working on increasing his strength so he can shoot/pass harder? but I think unless he can take his game to beyond next level he will be traded cause we need his CAP space bottom line ... he takes up too much room for a very limited player ... but I don't blame him or any player for getting what they can ... da cost to develop a player today in GTA is staggering and many can't afford it anymore

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Marner almost got his head taken off driving to the front of the net and creating a scoring chance and drawing a penalty. When's the last time Nylander did something like that.

I'm not a Nylander hater but he doesn't even belong in the same conversation as Marner. It's like comparing Patrick Kane and JVR.

I give him credit he tried to bust up da trap ... we need more Gallagher attempts at net per game from him and Willy and JT ... I saw Matty try a few times and once successfully ... it is da only way to bust da trap

 

[4thline]

That my friend is a great question and we have to leave that one to Dubie ... why is he not working on extending his stride so he can develop blow bye speed? why is he not working on increasing his strength so he can shoot/pass harder? but I think unless he can take his game to beyond next level he will be traded cause we need his CAP space bottom line ... he takes up too much room for a very limited player ... but I don't blame him or any player for getting what they can ... da cost to develop a player today in GTA is staggering and many can't afford it anymore

I think next off-season a decision will be made between him and Rielly

 

[JT AM da real deal]

I think next off-season a decision will be made between him and Rielly

That is a tough one a really tough one ... depends on Sandin/Dermy development i think

 

[Notsince67]

To have a job watching hockey and to tweet that is an absolute embarrassment.

That line was a joke last night. They got outplayed by Josh Archibald.

Even worse to post that garbage here as a reference to authority.

 

[4thline]

That is a tough one a really tough one ... depends on Sandin/Dermy development i think

Personally I think the bigger two factors will be
-does Marner mature/shake some of his bad habits and emerge as the MVP level player we need him to be at 10.9
-does Rielly accept the pandemic payscale and sign where he should relative to Brodin/Krug/Pietro (somewhere around 7.5 give or take 500k)

If the answers are No/Yes, easy call. Send Marner to LA/Jersey for the best package (something Richards/Carter/Staal/Nash like) re-up Rielly, bring some money to play in UFA (Saad? Schwartz? Palmieri?)

If the answers are Yes/No, easy call. Work a sign and trade with Seattle to send Rielly west for futures and/or a sub 5m D.

If it's Yes/Yes. That's a tough decision to make, look elsewhere and try and figure out how to keep both.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Personally I think the bigger two factors will be
-does Marner mature/shake some of his bad habits and emerge as the MVP level player we need him to be at 10.9
-does Rielly accept the pandemic payscale and sign where he should relative to Brodin/Krug/Pietro (somewhere around 7.5 give or take 500k)

If the answers are No/Yes, easy call. Send Marner to LA/Jersey for the best package (something Richards/Carter/Staal/Nash like) re-up Rielly, bring some money to play in UFA (Saad? Schwartz? Palmieri?)

If the answers are Yes/No, easy call. Work a sign and trade with Seattle to send Rielly west for futures and/or a sub 5m D.

If it's Yes/Yes. That's a tough decision to make, look elsewhere and try and figure out how to keep both.

I see same traits in Mitch I did when he was 6 not much has changed really so I can't see him becoming an MVP as he just does not have a complete game
And i have no idea about Reilly as I don't know him but he seems like a team first guy so I would guess he would take a team friendly deal but then again when he looks around he has to ask himself why should he not get MAX deal when top 4 guys all got it --- seems pretty unfair

 

[Stephen]

Rielly is not a max. contract level player. Seems like he’s really regressed from his 2019 self and just doesn’t offer that all situation field general number one defenseman presence. The kind of control a guy like Cale Makar brings to the Avalanche vs the sort of chaos Rielly plays with is night and day. Even to use a Pittsburgh comparison, he doesn’t do the things Letang did for that group.

As far as Marner is concerned, kind of wish you’d hear the same talking points about how he worked on X, Y, Z the way Matthews does in the offseason with whatever goals. He’s got the same build as his rookie year and you don’t really hear them talk about how he’s bulking up or building strength or explosiveness or trying to be a better goal scorer.

 

[BAM]

Rielly is not a max. contract level player. Seems like he’s really regressed from his 2019 self and just doesn’t offer that all situation field general number one defenseman presence. The kind of control a guy like Cale Makar brings to the Avalanche vs the sort of chaos Rielly plays with is night and day. Even to use a Pittsburgh comparison, he doesn’t do the things Letang did for that group.

As far as Marner is concerned, kind of wish you’d hear the same talking points about how he worked on X, Y, Z the way Matthews does in the offseason with whatever goals. He’s got the same build as his rookie year and you don’t really hear them talk about how he’s bulking up or building strength or explosiveness or trying to be a better goal scorer.

I agree with both points.

If I had to choose between the two, I'd keep Rielly just because the Leafs have other elite forwards, there is nothing close to Rielly on the team and that's why I think it's vital for Sandin/Liljegren to be in the lineup consistently so the Leafs know what they have internally.

Marner is the better talent but at not worth his price tag.

 

[gobbluth]

I am pretty sure that as long as Marners agent is better at his job, than Mitch at his own, Marner will be leaving when that time comes. Ofc Marner has to keep putting up the numbers but I am confident that he will, especially with line-mates like this I do not see him failing.

And in my opinion, a player like Rielly is much more difficult to replace. There are more Marners or petential Marners than Riellys in this league. I would even go as far as to say that Leafs production won’t go down if Marner leaves. It might go down, but it might also not.

 

[Captain14]

I agree with both points.

If I had to choose between the two, I'd keep Rielly just because the Leafs have other elite forwards, there is nothing close to Rielly on the team and that's why I think it's vital for Sandin/Liljegren to be in the lineup consistently so the Leafs know what they have internally.

Marner is the better talent but at not worth his price tag.

I have to respectfully disagree regarding Reilly.
He has not looked good for quite a while and I truly believe that Sandin can fill that role easily with playing time.

 

[Peasy]

Rielly is not a max. contract level player. Seems like he’s really regressed from his 2019 self and just doesn’t offer that all situation field general number one defenseman presence. The kind of control a guy like Cale Makar brings to the Avalanche vs the sort of chaos Rielly plays with is night and day. Even to use a Pittsburgh comparison, he doesn’t do the things Letang did for that group.

As far as Marner is concerned, kind of wish you’d hear the same talking points about how he worked on X, Y, Z the way Matthews does in the offseason with whatever goals. He’s got the same build as his rookie year and you don’t really hear them talk about how he’s bulking up or building strength or explosiveness or trying to be a better goal scorer.

During the first game of the season I remember them talking about Marner working on his shot in the off season/changing his flex or stick. Haven't seen the results from it though.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Marner almost got his head taken off driving to the front of the net and creating a scoring chance and drawing a penalty. When's the last time Nylander did something like that.

I'm not a Nylander hater but he doesn't even belong in the same conversation as Marner. It's like comparing Patrick Kane and JVR.

Marner also could have got his head taken off against the Jets when he scored that empty net goal, because this was the hit he was avoiding.

 

[Stephen]

During the first game of the season I remember them talking about Marner working on his shot in the off season/changing his flex or stick. Haven't seen the results from it though.

I’ve noticed him taking more shots but I don’t think that’s been a good thing as of yet.

 

[LeafsNation75]

I’ve noticed him taking more shots but I don’t think that’s been a good thing as of yet.

What about that quote from Wayne Gretzky where he said you miss 100% of the shots you don't take. So perhaps the more shots Marner takes the better he can get. Plus who knows when he might get a deflection off a stick or a player from the other team and the puck goes into the net.

 

[Stephen]

What about that quote from Wayne Gretzky where he said you miss 100% of the shots you don't take. So perhaps the more shots Marner takes the better he can get. Plus who knows when he might get a deflection off a stick or a player from the other team and the puck goes into the net.

I wouldn’t mind him taking more shots if he wasn’t on the same line with Matthews, but when he’s either looking him off or unable to connect on a pass it seems like forcing the Marner shot is what the other team wants.

 

[LeafsNation75]

I wouldn’t mind him taking more shots if he wasn’t on the same line with Matthews, but when he’s either looking him off or unable to connect on a pass it seems like forcing the Marner shot is what the other team wants.

The funny thing is last season when Marner scored this overtime goal against Ottawa, Craig Simpson said they were surprised he shot the puck and expected him to get it over to Matthews or Tavares.

 

[Gallagbi]

For the money he gets paid, gotta set the bar higher than that.

Isnt the bar similar to the players I mention in the next sentence?

 

[pucksakes666]

He’ll have his name on the Art Ross if he gets scoring

 

[Captain14]

I wouldn’t mind him taking more shots if he wasn’t on the same line with Matthews, but when he’s either looking him off or unable to connect on a pass it seems like forcing the Marner shot is what the other team wants.

I agree with both of your statements, adding that Marner really needs to work on that shot more.

 

[Dragao6]

Personally I think the bigger two factors will be
-does Marner mature/shake some of his bad habits and emerge as the MVP level player we need him to be at 10.9
-does Rielly accept the pandemic payscale and sign where he should relative to Brodin/Krug/Pietro (somewhere around 7.5 give or take 500k)

If the answers are No/Yes, easy call. Send Marner to LA/Jersey for the best package (something Richards/Carter/Staal/Nash like) re-up Rielly, bring some money to play in UFA (Saad? Schwartz? Palmieri?)

If the answers are Yes/No, easy call. Work a sign and trade with Seattle to send Rielly west for futures and/or a sub 5m D.

If it's Yes/Yes. That's a tough decision to make, look elsewhere and try and figure out how to keep both.

Real question is does dubas get fired
Then marner might get traded because this overpayment really hurts the team and what they can do to upgrade the roster
The only time we can become a legit team is when tavares deal runs out and he resigns for half of that, marner is traded or also resigns for allot less
Then we can add and build a team
Prob with a new GM unfortunatly

and I don’t think Reilly is going anywhere
He would have been my pick for the C

 

[Notsince67]

That my friend is a great question and we have to leave that one to Dubie ... why is he not working on extending his stride so he can develop blow bye speed? why is he not working on increasing his strength so he can shoot/pass harder? but I think unless he can take his game to beyond next level he will be traded cause we need his CAP space bottom line ... he takes up too much room for a very limited player ... but I don't blame him or any player for getting what they can ... da cost to develop a player today in GTA is staggering and many can't afford it anymore

Maybe one of the reasons is on balance he is one of the best hockey players in the league and Gretzky just isnt available.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Isnt the bar similar to the players I mention in the next sentence?

You mentioned 3 players, one of them makes a bit more than Marner, the other two make much less so I'd say no. I think it makes sense to consider cap hit when judging players so if you're one of the top paid players in the world, you should perform like it or expect criticism. JMHO.

 

[ShaneFalco]

You mentioned 3 players, one of them makes a bit more than Marner, the other two make much less so I'd say no. I think it makes sense to consider cap hit when judging players so if you're one of the top paid players in the world, you should perform like it or expect criticism. JMHO.

Especially when contract "negotiations" were handled the way they were.