All Purpose Mitch Marner Talk II

[Notsince67]

... you mean 11 million.

So much for your lynch job, Frank the Tank

 

[Notsince67]

Marner is the biggest floater out of our top 5. He does a good job backchecking, but you can get a 2 mil player to do that.

 

[likecheese]

Marner had a very strong Game 2 against Ottawa and needs to keep that motor running to be a consistent impact every shift. I don't think he's ever had problems compiling points but what we need is that relentlessness. Tim Stuetzle reminded me a little bit of that rookie Marner motor that was absent last year.

You don't need a spreadsheet to tell when Marner has the motor running and he's seeing the ice and making the slick passes. That had to be his best game since that Carolina thing last season. The other big boys are bringing it almost every night, he needs to keep up this pace on most nights.

 

[Aashir]

Problem is other teams know he can't shoot, so they play the pass... limiting his ability to make passes. A guy who can shoot and pass is much harder to defend than someone who can only do one.

Well we better find someone to do that on our first line, cuz neither Matthews or Marner can do both, they are good at one each

 

[saffronleaf]

Credit where it's due, Marner was our best forward last night.

 

[Antropovsky]

Credit where it's due, Marner was our best forward last night.

Yes it was nice to see him finishing checks and hounding pucks again... thats the style that made him a fan favorite.

 

[Antropovsky]

So much for your lynch job, Frank the Tank

What are you talking about.... does Marner not make 11 million?

 

[robertmac43]

I honestly think this is the year we see Marner break the top 5 in points.

 

[Atomos2]

One of the dumbest posts I've seen.
You could find a statline like this for every star in the league on a random night.
Not to mention it doesn't tell you that Marner gave Matthews some good looks that game.

I'm looking at a dumber one.

You hold the players accountable. That's the name of the game. It's called expectations and an 11M player putting up 0 offensive production on Friday in a game against an inferior opponent isn't acceptable. And any star making as much as Marner is making and being put in the position he is in would sure as hell be held accountable for a poor offensive output as well. And from what I saw it was the other way around. Matthews was giving Marner good looks and Marner was brutal at finishing it.

It's nice you guys can crawl out of the woodwork when Marner has a good game after hiding during his bad ones. But the goal is to be consistent and if he has a bad game he should get criticized despite how much you want to coddle him and make excuses. It is what it is. Thats the weight of the contract he signed,

 

[Dekes For Days]

And any star making as much as Marner is making and being put in the position he is in would sure as hell be held accountable for a poor offensive output as well.

Star players have games with poor offensive output all the time. You need to readjust your expectations.

 

[81Leafs50]

Hockey fans treat this sport like other major sports. LOL so stupid.

Matthews MAX'd out his salary at $11.634 AAV at 21 YEARS OLD. He will not make more AAV wise in his career, the NHL cap isn't going to fly up anytime soon.

SO lets look at this objectively. Matthews signs at $11.634 for 5 years. Hes 26 when the contract ends. If he signs an 8 year deal with Leafs that takes him to 34, and pretty much the end of his career. 7 years somewhere else which takes him to 33 and leaves him with some form of a 1 or 2 year deal to round out his career.

Matthews, Marner, Nylander only have 2 major deals in their lifetimes. That is why they structured it like this.

Wake up open your eyes, think for yourselves and dont buy into the TSN and Sportsnet drivel about Matthews leaving or trying to rob the Leafs.

 

[Joey Hoser]

I'm looking at a dumber one.

You hold the players accountable. That's the name of the game. It's called expectations and an 11M player putting up 0 offensive production on Friday in a game against an inferior opponent isn't acceptable. And any star making as much as Marner is making and being put in the position he is in would sure as hell be held accountable for a poor offensive output as well. And from what I saw it was the other way around. Matthews was giving Marner good looks and Marner was brutal at finishing it.

It's nice you guys can crawl out of the woodwork when Marner has a good game after hiding during his bad ones. But the goal is to be consistent and if he has a bad game he should get criticized despite how much you want to coddle him and make excuses. It is what it is. Thats the weight of the contract he signed,

Just curious, what exactly do you mean by "holding them accountable"? Are you doing something other than talking shit about him on a message board? Like, I'm pretty sure he's not reading this. That's not really what accountability is.

 

[81Leafs50]

I read the following on Maple Leafs Hot Stove (see below). We already know that Nylander is a better goal scorer than Marner, but does this mean that Nylander is just as good of a playmaker too?

"I think I’m starting to wonder if it benefits William Nylander and Mitch Marner if the Leafs swap their spots in the lineup.

Over the past three seasons, the numbers with Matthews and Marner vs. Nylander are close. Matthews has a better corsi with Nylander (56 vs 54) and high-danger scoring chance percentage (57 vs. 56), but the margins are razor-thin.

Nylander and Matthews actually posted a 49% on-ice goals percentage together, while Marner and Matthews are at 56%, and their expected goals is six percentage points higher, too — albeit on a higher PDO overall. But Matthews’ forechecking has evolved since then, and he wants the puck all the time — as does Marner.

If Matthews is going to set someone up to shoot, I’d rather Nylander do the shooting over Marner. Interestingly, with Tavares, the numbers pretty much do the same thing as Tavares-Nylander is at 49% of goals for percentage while Marner-Tavares is comfortably ahead of that mark at over 55%. Their expected goals are higher, their possession is roughly the same, and Marner again has a higher PDO with Tavares."

https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2021/01/18/toronto-maple-leafs-notebook-jan-18/

 

[Notsince67]

I read the following on Maple Leafs Hot Stove (see below). We already know that Nylander is a better goal scorer than Marner, but does this mean that Nylander is just as good of a playmaker too?

"I think I’m starting to wonder if it benefits William Nylander and Mitch Marner if the Leafs swap their spots in the lineup.

Over the past three seasons, the numbers with Matthews and Marner vs. Nylander are close. Matthews has a better corsi with Nylander (56 vs 54) and high-danger scoring chance percentage (57 vs. 56), but the margins are razor-thin.

Nylander and Matthews actually posted a 49% on-ice goals percentage together, while Marner and Matthews are at 56%, and their expected goals is six percentage points higher, too — albeit on a higher PDO overall. But Matthews’ forechecking has evolved since then, and he wants the puck all the time — as does Marner.

If Matthews is going to set someone up to shoot, I’d rather Nylander do the shooting over Marner. Interestingly, with Tavares, the numbers pretty much do the same thing as Tavares-Nylander is at 49% of goals for percentage while Marner-Tavares is comfortably ahead of that mark at over 55%. Their expected goals are higher, their possession is roughly the same, and Marner again has a higher PDO with Tavares."

https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2021/01/18/toronto-maple-leafs-notebook-jan-18/

A lot of words for someone who has said many times that Nylander is better than Marner. Just spit out what you really mean so we don't waste time with what is wrong with the details of your post.

 

[4thline]

Marner played great on Saturday, but man does he need to smarten up. 4 foot touch pass in front of our net with 5 seconds on the clock in a 1 goal game? Just stupid.

 

[Aashir]

Marner played great on Saturday, but man does he need to smarten up. 4 foot touch pass in front of our net with 5 seconds on the clock in a 1 goal game? Just stupid.

If you don’t give the other team a 5 on 0 with a few second left, can you really call it a win.

 

[Atomos2]

Just curious, what exactly do you mean by "holding them accountable"? Are you doing something other than talking shit about him on a message board? Like, I'm pretty sure he's not reading this. That's not really what accountability is.

Talking shit? You mean criticizing his performance?

I'm not talking about some magical connection where my posts on HF hurts Marner's feeling. I haven't really been that critical other than on his poor Friday performance. Just saying he will receive backlash from fans, media etc. if he plays poorly like he did on Friday which is obvious.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Star players have games with poor offensive output all the time. You need to readjust your expectations.

Nope.

Outrageous contracts come with outrageous expectations. Want reasonable expectations? Sign a reasonable contract.

 

[DarkKnight]

Nope.

Outrageous contracts come with outrageous expectations. Want reasonable expectations? Sign a reasonable contract.

Such garbage. Blame the GM then.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Such garbage. Blame the GM then.

I blame both.

 

[DarkKnight]

I blame both.

Blame the coach too, he routinely puts the bum out more than any other forward, clearly he doesn’t get it.

Or maybe you geniuses in here don’t...but I digress.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Blame the coach too, he routinely puts the bum out more than any other forward, clearly he doesn’t get it.

Or maybe you geniuses in here don’t...but I digress.

Lots of players play big minutes without being significantly overpaid in relation to direct comparables.

Marner demanded that contract and refused to even show up for camp until he got it, essentially taking the clueless young gm hostage.

He put these expectations on himself. If he wanted reasonable expectations, he should have signed a reasonable contract.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Lots of players play big minutes without being significantly overpaid in relation to direct comparables.

Marner demanded that contract and refused to even show up for camp until he got it, essentially taking the clueless young gm hostage.

He put these expectations on himself. If he wanted reasonable expectations, he should have signed a reasonable contract.

What player shows up to training camp without a contract? What a bizarre criticism

 

[Dekes For Days]

Want reasonable expectations? Sign a reasonable contract.

They did sign reasonable contracts, and unreasonable expectations are never justified regardless.

 

[IPS]

Willy so damn dangerous