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Aho or Matthews (including contracts)

Aho or Matthews including contracts

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Halla said:
Matthews had 40g/69pts as a rookie D+1, Aho had 49pts D+2
63pts in 62 games for Matthews D+2 ,65pts in 78 games for AHo
73pts in 68 games for AM34 D+3, 83pts in 82 games for Aho D+4

AM34: 112g/205pts in 212 games
Aho: 83g/197pts in 242 games

Matthews has 29 more goals in 30 less games and he is younger....

"But but Matthews played on a better team!"
nah, Matthews got drafted by the WORST team in the league. maybe, just maybe his 40g helped the team into the playoffs?
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Yes Mathews this in rookie year and Mathews that 5x5 sorry he hasn't done anything else and I think though a great player he's over rated. He can't even break 80 points in 3 seasons heck 73 his high? Marner just did 93/94? points and JT is the number 1 centre not Mathews. Sorry not buying Mathews better then Aho just yet. Maybe he will fulfill his expectations but clearly hasn't yet.
 
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Halla said:
so the 1.01 ppg guy is a superstar but the guy who has a better ppg than that for the last 2 years isn't?

the guy who has 34,37,and 40g isnt but the guy who just hit 30 is?

recency bias really strong here because the canes won a couple rounds before getting destroyed by the bruins. If they had played boston in rd 1 they wouldnt have even won a game
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I wouldn't call Aho a superstar myself but considering they are offensively both good players and Aho the better play maker I'm taking him. Take the contract into account it's pretty lop sided. Ya I know Mathews better goal scorer but he's lacking in dishing the puck and that is a big part of being a centre.
 
I'd like to point out that career comparison is futile as Aho just played his rookie season as a center.

I don't buy claiming that he had it all figured out from the get go and I think it would be naive to think that he doesn't learn the position better in the upcoming season.
 
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GeorgeLeafer12 said:
I was a bit too harsh on Matthews. Sorry but, he lacks certain things what Aho already has aced.
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Aho hasn’t aced anything yet that Mathews lacks.

To hang all the playoff failures solely on Austin is not fair. How poor was Pavel Datsyuk for years in the playoffs? He was labeled unfairly as a failure. Eventually he proved everyone wrong when he had a proper team, and matured more himself as a player. He is a playoff legend now.

Give Mathews time, he will prove the naysayers wrong in the coming years.
 
Both are as good but Matthews is heavily overpaid like all the Toronto "star players". So im taking Aho
 
I see Matthews as slightly more valuable because 'goalz'.

But its hard not to go with Aho on this.

Health + Contract being the main reasons.
 
Halla said:
Matthews had 40g/69pts as a rookie D+1, Aho had 49pts D+2
63pts in 62 games for Matthews D+2 ,65pts in 78 games for AHo
73pts in 68 games for AM34 D+3, 83pts in 82 games for Aho D+4

AM34: 112g/205pts in 212 games
Aho: 83g/197pts in 242 games

Matthews has 29 more goals in 30 less games and he is younger....

"But but Matthews played on a better team!"
nah, Matthews got drafted by the WORST team in the league. maybe, just maybe his 40g helped the team into the playoffs?
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They are the same age. As for the poll, I would take Aho including contracts. Matthews is imo only slightly better than Aho, but that can change. Aho's development has been great.
 
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Halla said:
Matthews had 40g/69pts as a rookie D+1, Aho had 49pts D+2
63pts in 62 games for Matthews D+2 ,65pts in 78 games for AHo
73pts in 68 games for AM34 D+3, 83pts in 82 games for Aho D+4

AM34: 112g/205pts in 212 games
Aho: 83g/197pts in 242 games

Matthews has 29 more goals in 30 less games and he is younger....

"But but Matthews played on a better team!"
nah, Matthews got drafted by the WORST team in the league. maybe, just maybe his 40g helped the team into the playoffs?
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Why should I care what Matthews or Aho did in their rookie seasons when we are comparing them as players now/moving forward?
 
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Halla said:
Matthews has a 1.07ppg aho was at 1.01....those arent the same

would you take the 8.5 ppg C over the 12.5ppg center in edmonton as well?
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That's the equivalent of a difference of 5 points over the course of 82 games, who cares? It's not a material difference worth quibbling over.

The difference between McDavid and Drai (or anyone in the league really) is a heck of a lot more than the difference between Matthews and Aho. Not to mention, McDavid is a center while Drai plays winger for him. So yeah, I take the 12.5M center. In this case, both are centers.
 
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GeorgeLeafer12 said:
I thought leadership is what he lacks, hasn't led his teams to anything yet, as an adult.
4 play-offs as a pro, 4 first round exists. 3rd place finish at the World Juniors.

NLA play-offs: stacked team, biggest favorites, 1st round embarrassing 4-0 loss to the lowest seed team, 3 assists.

3 times in the NHL Stanley Cup Play-Offs, 3 first round exists: 5 points (4 goals) in 6 games, 2 points in 7 games, 6 points (5 goals) in 7 games
10 play-off goals yes but 0 game winners, and only 2 PP (1 PP assist) goals, 8 x 5 on 5 goals is great but -5 is not,
because 10 x 5 on 5 points (8+2) give him +10 but when you have -5 as total.... the actual number is 15.

He might have good 2-way game in him at times (i have seen good 2-way games from him) but mostly, its MIA.
When it counts the most (at the moment) , he isn't leading jack ****.

Aho rose to the superstar level last season where as Matthews have superstar level potential.
he has not yet reached his full potential, due to his injuries.
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The lack of playoff success is worrisome. You'd think he would've won at least 1 series.

It's crazy how differently he is viewed across the league. Some leaf fans think he is a top 5 player right now. Some fans think Aho is better even without the contracts.

All I know is that we overpaid and it looks like we will again
 
Kevin8se7en said:
Questions like this doesn't really make sense as it depends entirely on what you do with the extra cap space.

Example:
Matthews + Panik = 14.384
Aho + Nyqvist = 13.954

In that specific example, I'd rather have Aho and Nyqvist as they make a much better duo than Matthews and Panik, for about the same money. I don't see how you could really argue that either. But, you can do the same the other way and 'waste' the extra space on a bad signing like Branden Tanev instead.

Point is, that extra space can make me lean Aho, or Matthews depending on how it's used.
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Lol extra cash is extra cash. It's always better otherwise give me all your money because you don't know how to spend it :DD
 
Halla said:
Matthews had 40g/69pts as a rookie D+1, Aho had 49pts D+2
63pts in 62 games for Matthews D+2 ,65pts in 78 games for AHo
73pts in 68 games for AM34 D+3, 83pts in 82 games for Aho D+4

AM34: 112g/205pts in 212 games
Aho: 83g/197pts in 242 games

Matthews has 29 more goals in 30 less games and he is younger....

"But but Matthews played on a better team!"
nah, Matthews got drafted by the WORST team in the league. maybe, just maybe his 40g helped the team into the playoffs?
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Yeah, what they did as rookies is very relevant...

BTW, Matthews's career high is 73 while Aho scored 82 last season.
 
I go with Aho. Lesser team, Aho has a more complete game, plays pk, not injury-prone and a better contract. Matthews is a game-changer though. If both would be paid the same , I`d take Matthews by a hair.
 
Halla said:
Matthews had 40g/69pts as a rookie D+1, Aho had 49pts D+2
63pts in 62 games for Matthews D+2 ,65pts in 78 games for AHo
73pts in 68 games for AM34 D+3, 83pts in 82 games for Aho D+4

AM34: 112g/205pts in 212 games
Aho: 83g/197pts in 242 games

Matthews has 29 more goals in 30 less games and he is younger....

"But but Matthews played on a better team!"
nah, Matthews got drafted by the WORST team in the league. maybe, just maybe his 40g helped the team into the playoffs?
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Its 2019 now bro.
 
Let's consider the following.
If you were the Leafs GM would you trade Aho for Matthews to save $3.18M in Cap space ?

If you were the Canes GM would you trade Aho for Matthews and still have $4M in cap space?

The money saved having Aho over Matthews is less than what Reimer makes.

If you were the Canes GM, would you rather have Aho and Reimer or Matthews and McElhinney?
 
SedintoHorvat said:
Yes Mathews this in rookie year and Mathews that 5x5 sorry he hasn't done anything else and I think though a great player he's over rated. He can't even break 80 points in 3 seasons heck 73 his high? Marner just did 93/94? points and JT is the number 1 centre not Mathews. Sorry not buying Mathews better then Aho just yet. Maybe he will fulfill his expectations but clearly hasn't yet.
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You don’t need to buy facts.
They’re free

Matthews has 205 point in 212 games.
Last season he had 73 points in 68 games.

Aho has 197 points in 242 games.
Last season he had 83 points in 82 games.
 
Keanu Reeves said:
You don’t need to buy facts.
They’re free

Matthews has 205 point in 212 games.
Last season he had 73 points in 68 games.

Aho has 197 points in 242 games.
Last season he had 83 points in 82 games.
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Fair enough but then Mathews according to your own facts is sub par to Pastrnak and Bergeron.
Mathews last season 73 points in 68 games.
Bergeron last season 79 points in 65 games.
Pastrnak last season 81 points in 66 games.

Am I doing this right?
 
Keanu Reeves said:
You don’t need to buy facts.
They’re free

Matthews has 205 point in 212 games.
Last season he had 73 points in 68 games.

Aho has 197 points in 242 games.
Last season he had 83 points in 82 games.
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Aho is on a steeper upwards trajectory, doesn't that bode well for future projection? And hey, let's say that in a full season, Matthews does score 5 more points. Do you get over a 5 point upgrade by going from a 1.5mil salary to a 4.5mil salary for a different player? I'd say yes.
 
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