Aho or Matthews (including contracts)
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Roboturner913
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There's a reason Brind'Amour matches him up against the other team's top line despite having an excellent shutdown center on the 2nd line (Jordan Staal). People started noticing this down the stretch run of the season. It's why he ended up getting a lot of Selke votes (he finished 12th).
Aho will win a Selke or two before he's done, mainly he's just got to improve at faceoffs.
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Wandering Cynic
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Aho is the better contract. Matthews has a ridiculous amount of talent around him, and Aho nearly matched his point production. Aho is way more dynamic than Matthews, even though Matthews is the better goal scorer.
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In the last three seasons, Aho has averaged 2.57 points/60. The Leaf's got 2.47 points/60 from Kadri, their 3rd line center.
While Aho is given all the chances, the Leafs put a right-winger with two career assists on Matthew's wing to help develop
his play-making as Nylander was doing too much driving the line. Would you pay an extra $3 million to go from a top
50 player to a top 10? I think most teams would do that in a heartbeat.
While Aho is given all the chances, the Leafs put a right-winger with two career assists on Matthew's wing to help develop
his play-making as Nylander was doing too much driving the line. Would you pay an extra $3 million to go from a top
50 player to a top 10? I think most teams would do that in a heartbeat.
Not to mention Aho averaging 28 goals per 82 games Vs. Matthews who has averaged 43 per 82 games. A 15 goal scorer easily runs you 2-3 million dollars in the open market.
Aho's linemate Teuvo Teravainen also finished with 76 points this year. Auston finished with a higher PPG and more goals in less games while playing with 40 point wingers.
This thread is hilarious. I look forward to bumping this thread next year much like I've bumped the Barzal vs Matthews, Eichel vs Matthews and Laine vs Matthews threads the past three years. All those guys are in Auston's back pockets right now. Can't wait for the next victim.
Not to mention that terevainen hasn't been able to produce with anyone before aho, that could also be implemented with alot of other players.
Not to mention aho only has one less point playing in playoffs once than auston has in three.
Not to mention
Not to mention
List can be long, when you watch him play you can't belive how i went in the 2-round.
I love aho, he's the underdog and just keeps getting better
I went with aho.
Teravainen has jumped up in point totals every year since he's been traded to the Canes. Not saying Aho is a product of Teravainen. Just saying Aho has a good player to play with who can produce offensively that helps with the offensive numbers. Same can't be said for what Auston Matthews had to work with last year.
As I said in my second post, lots of silly things have been said in this thread and it's okay. I've read enough non-sense in my life time on HF boards when it comes to Leafs players and in particular Auston Matthews. This will be a fun thread bump at some point. Aho is a great player no doubt but he's no Auston Matthews. Much like Auston Matthews is no Connor McDavid.
Not his fault he doesnt get the minutes that McDavid, Draisaitl aho, Barkov, etc, get.. Some of these players are playing a full 4 minutes per game more than AM and getting nearly double the powerplay time. Yet he still produces at a ppg+ clip and has been on pace to bag 40+ every year hes been in the league.
Other thing is outside of McDavid all these other C have PPG or close to PPG players to play with. Barkov's numbers jump around the same time Hubey becomes a PPG guy. Drai turns into a 50 goal 100 point guy when he starts playing more with McDavid. Aho with Teravainen etc etc. Guys like Barzal (now), Eichel and Matthews get no where near enough credit for producing numbers as the top dog on their teams without getting much help from their wings. Eichel atleast had Skinner this year and not surprisingly just had the best year of his career. Barzal and Matthews played with dog shit last season. Barzal got screwed even more playing in a defense first system.
I'll take the bigger, stronger, arguably more talented, better goal scoring center for the extra 3M without even thinking about it. Aho is great, but I am quite baffled hes running away with this here lol.
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Just what I was gonna say. However, its about that 3.2 millions. They having similar (or more close) contracts I could go easily with Matthews. Injuries is big red flag to me. Hopefully these are over for Auston, and doesn't impact Sebastian in the future.
Auston's offensive potential seems higher, but Aho looks more well-rounded having been healthy with worse supporting cast (ainec). If Auston drives his line, Aho drives his team... uh... and as it seems also other teams, recently.
Aho for me. Reduce 1-2 millions per year from Auston's contract, and then it is not that easy anymore. Finn bias applies here with me, as well as recency bias, I recognize.
Roboturner913
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Nice try, but Aho and Teravainen do not even play on the same line.
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ah yes
Auston Matthews the top 10 player that's never even been in the top 20 in points per game
Aho split up with Teuvo when they got Nino at which point aho got nino and William's who were also both very good offensively. With that said, Aho still spent the majority of the season at even strength, pp and PK with teuvo on his side.
Nice try.
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I dont think people are arguing that the first overall pick was more NHL ready 3 years ago than the second round pick. So there isnt a point in comparing their averages for their career. Development isnt linear. People are talking about going forward and right now it looks like theyre close to similar production going forward, Aho has been healthier and is better defensively. Is the slight potential increase in points from Matthews over Aho worth the extra money? Not to me, contracts not included I would take Matthews but it isnt a blowout by any means
Are we really going to pretend to feel bad for Matthews because of his linemates now? He plays on a PP with Marner, Tavares, Rielly etc. but we're going to hold Aho playing with Terevainen against him?
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You think some of Matthews success is team based, but do you not think that somewhat affects Aho's "better defensive play", seeing as Carolina has one of the better bluelines in the league?
Better defensive play should be used loosely, because (like Matthews) Aho has not shown to be a strong 2-way player.
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Niederreiter was traded to Carolina on Jan. 17 and played his first game with the team on Jan. 18.
Aho had 51 points in 46 games before the trade, and 32 points in the 36 games after the trade, while playing injured for the last two months of the season and also with lesser linemates.
So not a hugely significant difference either way, Aho was still around a PPG and showed he can carry a line without another star player (unless you're trying to argue Niederreiter and Williams are legitimate first line players, and I think we all know better)
but nice try
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