Aho or Matthews (including contracts)

[Craig Button]

Voracek at least can hit 80 points.

Let me know when he can score more than 23 goals

 

[The Beyonder]

So if hypotetichly Leafs score 50 goals while Matthews is on the ice and Matthews gets 30+10, and Canes score 80 goals when Aho is on the ice and Aho gets 15+45 Matthews is better? Because HE scored more goals. It is still a team game.

Are we comparing team success, or a player's ability? Matthews in goal scoring is one of the best in the league. Scoring goals in the NHL is the hardest thing. And doing it at a 0.5 GPG clip and being 2nd in even strength goals(despite missing 30 games than anyone in the top 5) for all his 3 seasons in the league speaks volumes about how elite he is at putting pucks in the net.

So if he didn't do something 2 out of 3 seasons because he keeps getting injured, he should get credit for doing that thing and we should accept it as a positive?

You're knocking Aho for barely scoring 30(something he did in real life) and praising Matthews for something he could have, but did not do, in the same sentence. And that is what makes Matthews worth 3 million dollars?

Kinda sounds like Aho improves every year and Matthews gets hurt every year. Is that what you pay the extra 3 mill for?

Scoring 111 goals in 212 games (o.5 GPG pace), finishing second in even strength goals despite missing 30 or more games, is something Matthews did in real life too. If Matthews played more, he would have gotten 40+ season each year; 212 games is more than enough to extrapolate what Matthews is capable of. Is he worth 3 million more? That's a hard question to quantify. All I know is that Matthews is the better player. A lot of teams would value Aho's contract far more, and that's fair, but Matthews is in elite company when it comes to goal scoring. This guy is getting severely underrated.

And the guy is 21 years old, lets not throw the injury prone nonsense out there. I remember all that nonsense about Crosby being injury prone after missing a year and a half, and how'd that turn out?

 

[Mildan]

Leafs fans don't seem to understand that Matthews missing games is bad and makes his current contract value lower.

Ppg means absolutely nothing when speaking of contract value. Contract is valued on how much a player has contributed to the team for the duration of the contract NOT on what pace he has contributed it.

Theoretically if they hit the free agent market after next 5 years and Aho has played 400 games getting 400 points and 250 wins and Matthews would play 350 games scoring 390 points and getting 240 wins, Ahos contract would have been more valuable even if aav would be even.

 

[Killer Orcas]

You’re the one with the poor reading comprehension.

Read over all my posts that you’ve been replying to.

Also, the question is for you.
It’s not a poll question. I’m not asking everyone in this thread.
Just you because you keep replying to me.

If the player fits in your team cap space then the contract has no value Really.

For a team like the Canes that can fit either player, who would you have?

It’s not a hard question.

If a Team can’t fit Matthews you’d have to go with Aho. For a team that can fit Matthews they’ll go with Matthews.

So I’m asking YOU ijuka.
What would you do?

Is that easier to understand?

Well to be fare your comment regarding if contract fits in team cap doesn't matter is not true. I'll tell you how. If Mathews deal was same as Aho's or even 9.5 per you really think Marner isn't signed by now to? So ya it does affect team in that others see him getting paid they want same especially when they (Marner) out produce Mathews.

 

[Killer Orcas]

Are we comparing team success, or a player's ability? Matthews in goal scoring is one of the best in the league. Scoring goals in the NHL is the hardest thing. And doing it at a 0.5 GPG clip and being 2nd in even strength goals(despite missing 30 games than anyone in the top 5) for all his 3 seasons in the league speaks volumes about how elite he is at putting pucks in the net.




Scoring 111 goals in 212 games (o.5 GPG pace), finishing second in even strength goals despite missing 30 or more games, is something Matthews did in real life too. If Matthews played more, he would have gotten 40+ season each year; 212 games is more than enough to extrapolate what Matthews is capable of. Is he worth 3 million more? That's a hard question to quantify. All I know is that Matthews is the better player. A lot of teams would value Aho's contract far more, and that's fair, but Matthews is in elite company when it comes to goal scoring. This guy is getting severely underrated.

And the guy is 21 years old, lets not throw the injury prone nonsense out there. I remember all that nonsense about Crosby being injury prone after missing a year and a half, and how'd that turn out?

Well if just scoring goals is the barometer then Laine must be getting paid 11 plus as well. Just so you know drafted number 2 behind Mathews and has scored a goal more then Mr Mathews since. He also had a terrible year this year as well in my eyes. Yes I'm being sarcastic in Laine on same level but just showing you just scoring goals doesn't make you the better player. Yes I know Mathews has missed 25 more games then Laine but at his pace of 40 a year if you add 12 goals to Mathews stats that would equate to only 4 more goals a year then Laine. Over a season is 4 goals really that much? Point i'm making is I'm taking Mathews over Laine clearly but going by goals they are pretty much even. Trying to show that scoring should not be the only barometer. You add Aho's play making ability into it and his contract as well and it's pretty clear who you take. Not hating on Mathews but Aho is a great player to and contract included clear winner for me.

 

[Craig Button]

Well to be fare your comment regarding if contract fits in team cap doesn't matter is not true. I'll tell you how. If Mathews deal was same as Aho's or even 9.5 per you really think Marner isn't signed by now to? So ya it does affect team in that others see him getting paid they want same especially when they (Marner) out produce Mathews.

Matthews deal wouldn’t be the same as Aho’s though. If Matthews signed with the Leafs for that little, Aho’s contract would be even lower.
Or the agents for all the pending RFA’s would advice their clients to not to sign for so little.
Marner would still be an RFA.
Teams would offer-sheet Matthews a lot more than 8M if Matthews remained an RFA and the Leafs would match it. If the amount got to high for the Leafs then the leafs would probably take the 4 1sts.

Unfortunately Aho signed a low ball offer sheet from Montreal and the Canes matched. The Canes GM was surprised it was for so little.

Matthews wouldn’t get a low ball offer

 

[TheMule93]

Matthews pretty easily

 

[Killer Orcas]

Matthews deal wouldn’t be the same as Aho’s though. If Matthews signed with the Leafs for that little, Aho’s contract would be even lower.
Or the agents for all the pending RFA’s would advice their clients to not to sign for so little.
Marner would still be an RFA.
Teams would offer-sheet Matthews a lot more than 8M if Matthews remained an RFA and the Leafs would match it. If the amount got to high for the Leafs then the leafs would probably take the 4 1sts.

Unfortunately Aho signed a low ball offer sheet from Montreal and the Canes matched. The Canes GM was surprised it was for so little.

Matthews wouldn’t get a low ball offer

Ya I know about the offer sheet fear heck I even joked about it. I think everyone expected more from Mathews to be honest though. He hasn't really taken the next step. I'm not hating on him as he's a great player that any team would be happy to have. Though a little more is expected from him if Leafs fans don't want others to say he's over paid. I think Dubas jumped the gun with deal and now he's holding the line on Marner who has actually impressed more this season. All will be fine if Mathews has a 90 point plus year this year but until then expect the raised eye brow with his deal. Good luck with Marner to as I think he's a fantastic player and would be a shame if he leaves his childhood team.

 

[Nico the Draft Riser]

Both are as good but Matthews is heavily overpaid like all the Toronto "star players". So im taking Aho

Aho isnt as good as Matthews

 

[Morbo]

Matthews has one of the worst contracts in the league. Equal contracts I ignore his bad injury history and pick Matthews, but with the disgusting overpay it’s aho all day and twice 4pm/7est Saturday.

Is this satire?

 

[Scott Stevens]

Is this satire?

No. That contract is one of the biggest cases of a player massively fleecing the gm in hockey.

 

[Connor McConnor]

AM is the superior player. Contract made it close but wasn't enough.

 

[Sojourn]

Is this satire?

I think he's exaggerating, but I agree with his point that it's not a smart contract.

It's just a bit weird. Toronto is getting less UFA years, but they are still paying a premium as if they are getting 8 years worth. To further add to it, in 5 years he will be due another big(probably bigger) contract, and it doesn't need to be from Toronto.

As far as contracts go, Matthews sets himself up nicely, but Toronto finds themselves in a position where they could lose their franchise talent while he's in his prime, or they may need to put together a contract large enough that encourages him not to explore free agency.

 

[jonlin]

I have Matthews as the more valuable player. That said I value Ahos all-around play and the 3M savings and because contracts I take Aho. If paid the same, I take AM