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Aho or Matthews (including contracts)

Aho or Matthews including contracts

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SedintoHorvat said:
Fair enough but then Mathews according to your own facts is sub par to Pastrnak and Bergeron.
Mathews last season 73 points in 68 games.
Bergeron last season 79 points in 65 games.
Pastrnak last season 81 points in 66 games.

Am I doing this right?
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Almost.

Bergeron is better than Matthews.
He is also 34 years old this month.

Pasta benefits playing with Bergeron and Marchand.

Now let’s consider the following.

Leafs trade Matthews for Aho 1 for 1.

Who wins the trade
Leafs or Canes?
 
ijuka said:
Aho is on a steeper upwards trajectory, doesn't that bode well for future projection? And hey, let's say that in a full season, Matthews does score 5 more points. Do you get over a 5 point upgrade by going from a 1.5mil salary to a 4.5mil salary for a different player? I'd say yes.
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You want to compare Aho’s best season to an injured Matthews. Matthews with a severe shoulder injury still performs better than Aho playing at his best.

If the Leafs trade Matthews for Aho, who wins the trade?
Leafs or Canes?

Not 1 Leaf fan would be happy with this trade. Not 1
 
Keanu Reeves said:
Almost.

Bergeron is better than Matthews.
He is also 34 years old this month.

Pasta benefits playing with Bergeron and Marchand.

Now let’s consider the following.

Leafs trade Matthews for Aho 1 for 1.

Who wins the trade
Leafs or Canes?
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With their current salaries I'm taking Aho no questions asked. Player alone not looking at salaries it depends what you have for wingers for me. If you've got a Marner type play maker you take Mathews if you got a shooter type like Boeser you take Aho. I'm not equating Boeser to Marner either Marner takes that in land slide just player type.

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I should add if Mathews didn't have the shoulder issues he'd probably be the clear choice here without contracts. However he does have the issues and you have to think they will affect his career in more missed games moving forward. It's a shame as when he entered the league I still remember that first game and he looked deadly. He needs to work on consistency though and I believe it's more to do with his conditioning. He seems to always start season strong and coming back from missed games is stronger leading me to believe he gets tired and needs the rest. He is a bigger guy so maybe if he worked on conditioning he could sustain his level of play longer. Just a thought might be completely off on the conditioning part but he does play better coming back from a break.
 
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SedintoHorvat said:
With their current salaries I'm taking Aho no questions asked. Player alone not looking at salaries it depends what you have for wingers for me. If you've got a Marner type play maker you take Mathews if you got a shooter type like Boeser you take Aho. I'm not equating Boeser to Marner either Marner takes that in land slide just player type.
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So the Leafs would win the trade?
 
Keanu Reeves said:
Almost.

Bergeron is better than Matthews.
He is also 34 years old this month.

Pasta benefits playing with Bergeron and Marchand.

Now let’s consider the following.

Leafs trade Matthews for Aho 1 for 1.

Who wins the trade
Leafs or Canes?
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Leafs
 
SedintoHorvat said:
With their current salaries I'm taking Aho no questions asked. Player alone not looking at salaries it depends what you have for wingers for me. If you've got a Marner type play maker you take Mathews if you got a shooter type like Boeser you take Aho. I'm not equating Boeser to Marner either Marner takes that in land slide just player type.

Edit.

I should add if Mathews didn't have the shoulder issues he'd probably be the clear choice here without contracts. However he does have the issues and you have to think they will affect his career in more missed games moving forward. It's a shame as when he entered the league I still remember that first game and he looked deadly. He needs to work on consistency though and I believe it's more to do with his conditioning. He seems to always start season strong and coming back from missed games is stronger leading me to believe he gets tired and needs the rest. He is a bigger guy so maybe if he worked on conditioning he could sustain his level of play longer. Just a thought might be completely off on the conditioning part but he does play better coming back from a break.
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There really hasn't been anything to suggest that his conditioning is an issue or that he's anything but very consistent. He wasn't great after he came back from injury this year, save for the first 5-6 games that he was an absolute monster in, but the suspicion there is more around him trying to preserve his health for the playoffs than not being in shape
 
nobody said:
This thread is hilarious. I look forward to bumping this thread next year much like I've bumped the Barzal vs Matthews, Eichel vs Matthews and Laine vs Matthews threads the past three years. All those guys are in Auston's back pockets right now. Can't wait for the next victim.
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Why not bump the yearly McDavid vs Matthews ones while you’re at it
 
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Randy Randerson said:
There really hasn't been anything to suggest that his conditioning is an issue or that he's anything but very consistent. He wasn't great after he came back from injury this year, save for the first 5-6 games that he was an absolute monster in, but the suspicion there is more around him trying to preserve his health for the playoffs than not being in shape
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He seems very streaky to me but possibly I could be wrong. Have heard others comment of how explosive he is when rested compared to not though.
 
SedintoHorvat said:
He seems very streaky to me but possibly I could be wrong. Have heard others comment of how explosive he is when rested compared to not though.
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He can score in bunches but doesnt disappear, always puts a ton of shots on net. He does get hot at times but that doesnt seem to correlate with early in the season
 
Keanu Reeves said:
Let's consider the following.
If you were the Leafs GM would you trade Aho for Matthews to save $3.18M in Cap space ?

If you were the Canes GM would you trade Aho for Matthews and still have $4M in cap space?

The money saved having Aho over Matthews is less than what Reimer makes.

If you were the Canes GM, would you rather have Aho and Reimer or Matthews and McElhinney?
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Reimer was a contract-dump trade between the Canes and Panthers. Including him in a "value" hypothetical makes no sense, lol. But just for fun I'll play: who would you rather have, Aho, Slavin, and TVR OR Matthews and Zaitsev? (both packages about $16.1m)
 
Keanu Reeves said:
You want to compare Aho’s best season to an injured Matthews. Matthews with a severe shoulder injury still performs better than Aho playing at his best.

If the Leafs trade Matthews for Aho, who wins the trade?
Leafs or Canes?

Not 1 Leaf fan would be happy with this trade. Not 1
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It is not very meaningful whether Leafs fans would be happy with the trade - after all, people tend to overvalue things they possess. Let's think about this way: If Leafs had Aho instead of Matthews, they wouldn't have had to give away a 1st round pick in order to get rid of Marleau's contract. Aho + 1st vs Matthews. See, I think you're not considering the contracts even though that's a part of the poll.

I'd also remind you that this is Aho's first season at center, hence it's quite logical to assume that he'll improve in that role. You say that this season had Matthews being injured, but which season's Matthews do you want me to use, exactly? I can't exactly assume how he'll do in a successful, healthy season before he actually does it.
 
ijuka said:
It is not very meaningful whether Leafs fans would be happy with the trade - after all, people tend to overvalue things they possess. Let's think about this way: If Leafs had Aho instead of Matthews, they wouldn't have had to give away a 1st round pick in order to get rid of Marleau's contract. Aho + 1st vs Matthews. See, I think you're not considering the contracts even though that's a part of the poll.

I'd also remind you that this is Aho's first season at center, hence it's quite logical to assume that he'll improve in that role. You say that this season had Matthews being injured, but which season's Matthews do you want me to use, exactly? I can't exactly assume how he'll do in a successful, healthy season before he actually does it.
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Rookie season. 40 goals, 69 points in 82 games + 6 points in 6 playoff games. Last 2 seasons did miss time due to injuries, but that does not mean he will continue to get injured. I bet he is healthy next season and gets 95 + points. He will explode.
 
LakeLivin said:
Reimer was a contract-dump trade between the Canes and Panthers. Including him in a "value" hypothetical makes no sense, lol. But just for fun I'll play: who would you rather have, Aho, Slavin, and TVR OR Matthews and Zaitsev? (both packages about $16.1m)
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Point

Your head

Also, Zaitsev is gone.

The point I’m making is both Matthews and Aho fit in the Canes cap space.
So the Cap space saved by having Aho instead of Matthews is pointless. For example Canes have cap space for a salary dump in Reimer.

Sorry about your reading comprehension.
 
ijuka said:
It is not very meaningful whether Leafs fans would be happy with the trade - after all, people tend to overvalue things they possess. Let's think about this way: If Leafs had Aho instead of Matthews, they wouldn't have had to give away a 1st round pick in order to get rid of Marleau's contract. Aho + 1st vs Matthews. See, I think you're not considering the contracts even though that's a part of the poll.

I'd also remind you that this is Aho's first season at center, hence it's quite logical to assume that he'll improve in that role. You say that this season had Matthews being injured, but which season's Matthews do you want me to use, exactly? I can't exactly assume how he'll do in a successful, healthy season before he actually does it.
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Leafs would still have to get rid of Marleau.
His 6M cap hit was a stupid contract from LL.
Regardless who our star young players are
The leafs would have to trade Marleau.

What’s next?
Are you going to add the Kadri, Zaistev trade to devalue Matthews.

Both Matthews and Aho can fit in the Leafs cap space and the Canes cap space. So regardless of contract who do you want on your team?

Now, I’m going to assume that you are Finnish as to why you are so desperately trying to convince yourself of Aho>Matthews.

However, Aho > Laine
Better luck next time.
 
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Keanu Reeves said:
Leafs would still have to get rid of Marleau.
His 6M cap hit was a stupid contract from LL.
Regardless who are star young players are
The leafs would have to trade Marleau.

What’s next?
Are you going to add the Kadri, Zaistev trade to devalue Matthews.

Both Matthews and Aho can fit in the Leafs cap space and the Canes cap space. So regardless of contract who do you want on your team?

Now, I’m going to assume that you are Finnish as to why you are so desperately trying to convince yourself of Aho>Matthews.

However, Aho > Laine
Better luck next time.
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I'm not saying Aho > Matthews, I'm saying that Aho's not 3mil+ worse than Matthews. Reading comprehension.
 
Aho. Better player, better contract. If Matthews can stay healthy then perhaps he can pass Aho again one day as a player but I don't think he will ever be a better value for a team with that contract.
 
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