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Prospect Info: [2024 - 5th] Ivan Motherbleeping Demidov (RW), SKA St. Petersburg (MHL)

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Mrb1p said:
What do you mean the contract situation wasn't the same ? Michkov expressed he wanted to leave and be in the NHL and he made it in the NHL in the same time frame as Demidov is supposed to be in the NHL. It's exactly the same reason and I love how stupid most people look in here.
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They had control of Michkov for 3 more years. If they actually wanted him, they would have kept him, played him, and not worried about the contract for at least 2 years. This wasn't even CLOSE to the same contract situation as Demidov. SKA was aware that both players wanted to go to the NHL. Demidov is facing this treatment because he leaves literally months from now. Michkov was shipped off to a bottom feeder before they even thought to cut his ice time. Then they let him out of his contract (that still has TWO YEARS left) to go to the NHL. They don't want him, whereas they're making every possible effort to Demidov, who they clearly DO want.

You can sugarcoat it, justify it, wrap it up however you want, the fact remains SKA clearly valued one over the other.
 
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Demidov is the highest draft pick from a team in Russia since Ovechkin and Malkin . I.e., no other Top-5 Russian League player picked in the 20 years since then.
 
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JIMVINNY said:
They had control of Michkov for 3 more years. If they actually wanted him, they would have kept him, played him, and not worried about the contract for at least 2 years. This wasn't even CLOSE to the same contract situation as Demidov. SKA was aware that both players wanted to go to the NHL. Demidov is facing this treatment because he leaves literally months from now. Michkov was shipped off to a bottom feeder before they even thought to cut his ice time. Then they let him out of his contract (that still has TWO YEARS left) to go to the NHL. They don't want him, whereas they're making every possible effort to Demidov, who they clearly DO want.

You can sugarcoat it, justify it, wrap it up however you want, the fact remains SKA clearly valued one over the other.
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Again, Michkov made it clear he was leaving, despite the contract. He left. No they didnt value any player more, they're scumbags and trying to make Demidov look better than Michkov to feel better about passing on him is so cringe.
 
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Mrb1p said:
Again, Michkov made it clear he was leaving, despite the contract. He left. No they didnt value any player more, they're scumbags and trying to make Demidov look better than Michkov to feel better about passing on him is so cringe.
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And acting like Montreal is the only team in the world that passed on him is more cringe.

Will Smith looks atrocious and no one would ever say that he was a better offensive prospect than Michkov and has the same warts defensively.

Yet not a peep about San Jose.

Clearly teams did not get the memo that Michkov could get over early, and watching Demidov play for one year with SKA, I'd have massive concerns if he had two MORE.
 
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Mrb1p said:
Again, Michkov made it clear he was leaving, despite the contract. He left. No they didnt value any player more, they're scumbags and trying to make Demidov look better than Michkov to feel better about passing on him is so cringe.
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I don't need to try to make Demidov look better, he so clearly is. SKA clearly agrees, and any rational person can see that, as well as their reasons why As for passing on Michkov, it may have been a bad call, but it's going to take far more than 16 months to determine that.
 
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WeThreeKings said:
And acting like Montreal is the only team in the world that passed on him is more cringe.

Will Smith looks atrocious and no one would ever say that he was a better offensive prospect than Michkov and has the same warts defensively.

Yet not a peep about San Jose.

Clearly teams did not get the memo that Michkov could get over early, and watching Demidov play for one year with SKA, I'd have massive concerns if he had two MORE.
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Yeah Ill peep about San Jose picking Will Smith any day of the week but this isn't about Will Smith or passing on Michkov right, its about people looking stupid for the opionions they had earlier in the year. Im just a receipt printer.
 
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Mrb1p said:
Yeah Ill peep about San Jose picking Will Smith any day of the week but this isn't about Will Smith or passing on Michkov right, its about people looking stupid for the opionions they had earlier in the year. Im just a receipt printer.
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You're not, if you printed receipts you'd print your own and realize that we all make our fair share of good and bad reads.

No one disputed Michkovs talent. Once Carlsson and Fantilli were gone, there was no direct competition for Michkov on a talent level. So 3 organizations making the decision to pass means that there were other factors at play.

The factors as we go further along point to not wanting a top 6 pick developing in SKA for 3 years; and only Philly learning about his ability to get out of that contract early.

As more information comes out, are we not allowed to change how we view the situation? Or do we all have to get stuck with the calls we make, with the information we had at the time?
 
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JIMVINNY said:
I don't need to try to make Demidov look better, he so clearly is. SKA clearly agrees, and any rational person can see that, as well as their reasons why As for passing on Michkov, it may have been a bad call, but it's going to take far more than 16 months to determine that.
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Yikes man

WeThreeKings said:
You're not, if you printed receipts you'd print your own and realize that we all make our fair share of good and bad reads.

No one disputed Michkovs talent. Once Carlsson and Fantilli were gone, there was no direct competition for Michkov on a talent level. So 3 organizations making the decision to pass means that there were other factors at play.

The factors as we go further along point to not wanting a top 6 pick developing in SKA for 3 years; and only Philly learning about his ability to get out of that contract early.

As more information comes out, are we not allowed to change how we view the situation? Or do we all have to get stuck with the calls we make, with the information we had at the time?
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I don't partake in character assassination of a young 18 years old man because I need to cope. I have made plenty of bad calls, that's not what this is about. It's about poor character and just overall being low-level fans. Were not Sens fans or Leafs fans, acting like this should be frowned upon.
 
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Mrb1p said:
Yikes man


I don't partake in character assassination of a young 18 years old man because I need to cope. I have made plenty of bad calls, that's not what this is about. It's about poor character and just overall being low-level fans. Were not Sens fans or Leafs fans, acting like this should be frowned upon.
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Those were threads that came out of the draft process. No one invented character concerns about him. Those were part of the rumblings around the kid.

So far it seems like the reality is that he wanted to go to Philly, and he withheld information from teams to make that happen. Which some people might have an issue with, but I personally have no problems with that and way more issues with what Cutter Gauthier did.
 
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WeThreeKings said:
You're not, if you printed receipts you'd print your own and realize that we all make our fair share of good and bad reads.

No one disputed Michkovs talent. Once Carlsson and Fantilli were gone, there was no direct competition for Michkov on a talent level. So 3 organizations making the decision to pass means that there were other factors at play.

The factors as we go further along point to not wanting a top 6 pick developing in SKA for 3 years; and only Philly learning about his ability to get out of that contract early.

As more information comes out, are we not allowed to change how we view the situation? Or do we all have to get stuck with the calls we make, with the information we had at the time?
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Just take the L for God’s sake

You were leading the marching band last year and still won’t give up the crusade. Move on.
 
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ReHabs said:
Just take the L for God’s sake

You were leading the marching band last year and still won’t give up the crusade. Move on.
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Rich, coming from you.

I'm not taking an L on anything, all I ever did was repeat the talking points that were coming out around Michkov around the draft and laid it out for everyone because the board was in hysterics over the idea we wouldn't take him.

We weren't going to take him and we didn't. Other teams also didn't take him for the same set of circumstances that were around the player.

I never once said he had bad character. Or he was a bad teammate. How would I know? All I ever said is that it there might be smoke to that due to the fact multiple teams passed on him, and SKA loaned him out, let him cut his contract early and had a plan in place to loan him out again if he didn't make the Flyers.

All of those points made it very odd that a KHL team with that level of control on a player like Michkov would do anything to not have him play for them. Now seeing how they are treating Demidov who didn't even have a vapor of character concerns around him at the draft, it pushes the narrative closer to SKA just being a maniacally weird and stupid organization.
 
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If you stand back and take a look what has/is transpiring with this kid? As a fan? f***ing fantastic shit!
 
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