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[Nickel eye Heel hers]

Can you give specific examples?

There isn't a single poster on here that blames him for every failing this team has had. Not one. That's pure horseshit

An exaggeration yes but it's horseshit to say some of our posters don't unfairly focus on his play.

 

[Buffdog]

An exaggeration yes but it's horseshit to say some of our posters don't unfairly focus on his play.

More posters focus on the play of Schief, Connor, and Pionk

I can't think of a single poster that focuses on Ehlers over others. They'll point out his weird plays and giveaways, which are both areas of his game that he needs to clean up

I just think that you're more overly biased towards him (thus the username) than anyone is biased against him

 

[Nickel eye Heel hers]

More posters focus on the play of Schief, Connor, and Pionk

I can't think of a single poster that focuses on Ehlers over others. They'll point out his weird plays and giveaways, which are both areas of his game that he needs to clean up

I just think that you're more overly biased towards him (thus the username) than anyone is biased against him

Everyone has a favourite player. Buffdog. I do miss that guy.
I can admit my player has flaws and makes mistakes.
We definitely disagree that while some fans have favourites others just like to crap on players that don't fit their mold of style or play.

 

[Flair Hay]

27 is worth it, I can't believe the disrespect this guy gets

If signing Ehlers isn't considered worth it, what the heck are we going to spend our cap space on?? Pionk? Iafallo?

We are in a pretty good cap situation I'd be very surprised if Chevy doesn't get him signed to a fair market deal. Higher than we would like probably but that's the way it goes usually.

If we don't give him $64-68M over 8 years someone will give him close to that on a 7 year deal I bet.

 

[Johnny HFBOARDS]

Im sure we're over paying someone.... how much does the zambonie guy make?

 

[Adam da bomb]

Can you give specific examples?

There isn't a single poster on here that blames him for every failing this team has had. Not one. That's pure horseshit

There are lots of guys who get bashed for their styles. Ppl don’t like that Connor isn’t more physical, that perfetti isn’t faster.

 

[Adam da bomb]

If signing Ehlers isn't considered worth it, what the heck are we going to spend our cap space on?? Pionk? Iafallo?

We are in a pretty good cap situation I'd be very surprised if Chevy doesn't get him signed to a fair market deal. Higher than we would like probably but that's the way it goes usually.

If we don't give him $64-68M over 8 years someone will give him close to that on a 7 year deal I bet.

We probably are more short of offensive D than good wingers. We have perfetti, kc, Ehlers. For offensive D we have Pionk and Morrissey. In the wings we have lambert and chis, in the wings for D with offensive instincts are?

 

[KingBogo]

If signing Ehlers isn't considered worth it, what the heck are we going to spend our cap space on?? Pionk? Iafallo?

We are in a pretty good cap situation I'd be very surprised if Chevy doesn't get him signed to a fair market deal. Higher than we would like probably but that's the way it goes usually.

If we don't give him $64-68M over 8 years someone will give him close to that on a 7 year deal I bet.

Agreed, I'm still in the camp Ehlers ends up being re-signed by the Jets. I'd guess 7 years. Chevy would prefer 5 or 6, Ehlers would prefer 8, but on the open market 7 is max so I think things settle at that length. I'll guess AAV at around $8M.

 

[TS Quint]

I think that if he was absolutely dead-set against it, Chevy probably wouldn't have made the deal. Last thing you need is to bring in a guy who is absolutely dead set against being here *cough cough Kevin Hayes cough*

He would be poison in the room

I don’t understand the constant Kevin Hayes hate around here. Wasn’t he one of, if not the most productive TDL acquisitions in the league that year? He put up more points than any Jet forward that wasn’t on the first line, that includes Laine, Ehlers AND LITTLE, who only had 2 points in that span.

Then playoffs come and PoMo does what PoMo did while he was here. PoMo would rather lose with his boys than win with someone else. Hayes has his TOI dropped from over 15 min/game to under 12, still keeps pace in points with Little who was getting over 16 min/game and better line mates.

Or are we just mad that Hayes spoke privately to his roommate about his time in Winnipeg then the roommate’s daddy wants to feel like a big shot insider on some obscure podcast and wanted to share the rumors? Which by the way, EVERYONE AGREES WITH WHAT HE SAID. I don’t think Hayes was out of line with anything he did.

People wonder why he didn’t enjoy his time here? He’s in line with a whole bunch of players who felt the same way.

 

[TS Quint]

It's the same old crap. The same line.
EHLERS isn't perfect He does make mistakes and sometimes they are frustrating. He does deserve criticism when deserved. It's also blatantly false to say some of the forum posters who blame him for every failing this team has spread their criticism evenly to other players.
If yu don't see this, perhaps you are one of them.
To why I said the comment, some of the posters for years have begged for him to be traded due to them not valuing what he brings to the team.
Don't expect great trade value from a player you don't respect on your team.
Maybe his value is less than Copp based on your horse blinders.

I think you are making things up. No player on this team has more unwaivering fans than Ehlers.

When it comes to what the Jets do with him, I trust Chevy. Who are the best home grown players Chevy has let walk? Ladd? Overpaid and broken, might be some parallels here. We also may have gotten lucky that Ladd was asking I for an insane contract and Chevy wouldn’t cross that line. Trouba? I don’t think the Rangers are happy with that contract. Copp? LOL, go take a look on the Red Wing board for their feelings about him. Tanev, maybe? But he’s not a core guy. Lots of guys have filled the role of being on Lowry’s wing just fine.

Or Chevy thinks everything is fine and will re sign him, which I’m also good with. I think the main factor will be how the Jets feel about his medical situation.

 

[Jet]

You think Ehlers' TD value is way below that of Andrew Copp?

A streaky player who is oft injured, loves to give the puck away in high offensive ice and disappears in the playoffs?

Yup. I love Nik but think about what teams are looking for at the TDL.

Everyone has a favourite player. Buffdog. I do miss that guy.
I can admit my player has flaws and makes mistakes.
We definitely disagree that while some fans have favourites others just like to crap on players that don't fit their mold of style or play.

The only players that are mostly protected from undue criticism are those who play near perfect games, and those are very few and far between.

More people shit on 81 and 55 than 27.

Hell, we have Helle haters on here and the guy looks like hes going to win his third vezina this year

 

[Moloch]

I think you are making things up. No player on this team has more unwaivering fans than Ehlers.

When it comes to what the Jets do with him, I trust Chevy. Who are the best home grown players Chevy has let walk? Ladd? Overpaid and broken, might be some parallels here. We also may have gotten lucky that Ladd was asking I for an insane contract and Chevy wouldn’t cross that line. Trouba? I don’t think the Rangers are happy with that contract. Copp? LOL, go take a look on the Red Wing board for their feelings about him. Tanev, maybe? But he’s not a core guy. Lots of guys have filled the role of being on Lowry’s wing just fine.

Or Chevy thinks everything is fine and will re sign him, which I’m also good with. I think the main factor will be how the Jets feel about his medical situation.

He's definitely one of the flashier players, same with connor, they both score goals that sometimes make you audibly gasp. It's easy to get fans when that's the sort of game you play. They both make plenty of mistakes but a surprising amount of people don't pick up on those. My girlfriend doesnt care about the jets, or hockey in general.. but she can name two players off the top of her head: ehlers and connor. He's part of the teams identity, thats for sure

 

[WolfgangPuck]

I’m okay with trading Ehlers and Pionk and let Chib/Lambert and Ville take their spots.
Players that only play exceptional well on their contract year are going to back to baseline after a fat contract. Rather trade than let them walk into UFA and compete with other offers

 

[TS Quint]

I’m okay with trading Ehlers and Pionk and let Chib/Lambert and Ville take their spots.
Players that only play exceptional well on their contract year are going to back to baseline after a fat contract. Rather trade than let them walk into UFA and compete with other offers

I don’t know if people should be expecting Heinola to be contributing this year. Isn’t his problem that a pin in his foot has been infected leading to surgery? I’m sure that was painful to begin with, likely hampering his ability to work out in the off season. Now that they had to cut his ankle open and he needs to recover. I seriously doubt he’s working his legs at this point. All of this for a guy who has never proved to be a NHL player? I’m not throwing Pionk, a right handed shot, away for that mystery box.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

A streaky player who is oft injured, loves to give the puck away in high offensive ice and disappears in the playoffs?

Yup. I love Nik but think about what teams are looking for at the TDL.

More people shit on 81 and 55 than 27.

Even considering all of his flaws and what teams are looking for at the TD, Ehlers is still worth far more than Copp. They are on entirely different levels.

People don't shit on 81 and shit on 55 so much as they shit on the combination of 81 & 55.

 

[DRW204]

I’m okay with trading Ehlers and Pionk and let Chib/Lambert and Ville take their spots.
Players that only play exceptional well on their contract year are going to back to baseline after a fat contract. Rather trade than let them walk into UFA and compete with other offers

I'd say to this that of the two Pionk is performing way above their career norms. Ehlers has had numerous years of great ay whereas Pionk was one - his previous contract year

Both will be long term deals and likely suck towards the back end, but it is what it is with ufa deals for players in their late 20s early 30s

 

[Jet]

I don’t know if people should be expecting Heinola to be contributing this year. Isn’t his problem that a pin in his foot has been infected leading to surgery? I’m sure that was painful to begin with, likely hampering his ability to work out in the off season. Now that they had to cut his ankle open and he needs to recover. I seriously doubt he’s working his legs at this point. All of this for a guy who has never proved to be a NHL player? I’m not throwing Pionk, a right handed shot, away for that mystery box.

Especially with the way he's playing. I know blah blah blah contract year but honestly if Neal can keep this level of play up he's a great top 4 guy. With Samberg and their history together I think they could really grow into a great 2nd pair

Even considering all of his flaws and what teams are looking for at the TD, Ehlers is still worth far more than Copp. They are on entirely different levels.

People don't shit on 81 and shit on 55 so much as they shit on the combination of 81 & 55.

I disagree.

If I'm a team looking for a reliable forward to play up and down the lineup and play the style needed for playoff hockey - Copp is likely going to fit the bill rather than a guy with risk in his game that doesn't counter it with offensive production. Ehlers gets pushed around a lot in the playoffs.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

For Nik 7m for 7 on the low end, 8m for 7 on the high end. Now he just may not want to be here anymore so my numbers might not mean anything

I would go higher on AAV to get lower in term myself.

 

[Moloch]

Feel like the elephant in the room right now is DeMelo
Will he find his game? Hasn't been playing very well for the past week

 

[surixon]

Feel like the elephant in the room right now is DeMelo
Will he find his game? Hasn't been playing very well for the past week

Might be feeling some pressure with that new contract. I'm sure he'll settle in at some point.

 

[bumblebeeman]

I would go higher on AAV to get lower in term myself.

I'm the opposite. Save as much cap now as possible while everyone is in their primes. When Ehlers, Scheif, Helle are in their late 30s the Jets won't be competitive anyways

 

[raideralex99]

Habs running into injuries ... they are looking for RHD. Their rookie Hutson played over 30 minutes in one game last week and it wasn't an OT game.
You can never have enough defensemen so we shouldn't be complaining which D should sit or play everyone needs some playing time in case of injuries.

 

[Wpgpage]

With a 92 mil cap even if you bring back Vilardi @6mil, Apples @3, Barron @2.25, Kupai @1.75, Samberg @4, and Pionk @6 they would still have almost 14 million in cap space. Assuming Names & Iffalo are allowed to leave in UFA. They can easily Resign Nik @ 8 ish and be fine going forward. 5x8 would be ideal but probably doesn't get it done so I guess you go 6x8 with maybe some declining trade protection in years 5/6.

I think the Buchnevich contact is a pretty much perfect comparable I would be very happy if they gave Nik that exact contract.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I'm the opposite. Save as much cap now as possible while everyone is in their primes. When Ehlers, Scheif, Helle are in their late 30s the Jets won't be competitive anyways

That is another way of looking at it.

I think that is kind of defeatist. I prefer to think that we will do a short drop down to draft high a couple of times and rebound built around a new core.

A 6 year term for Nik has his contract expiring at the same time as Scheif & Helle. All that cap becomes available. Maybe all 3 get bought out of their last year, or not.

By that time Perfetti, Lambert, Yager, Salomonsson maybe a couple of others plus some we haven't drafted yet will be keeping us competitive and getting paid.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Habs running into injuries ... they are looking for RHD. Their rookie Hutson played over 30 minutes in one game last week and it wasn't an OT game.
You can never have enough defensemen so we shouldn't be complaining which D should sit or play everyone needs some playing time in case of injuries.

Can't entirely disagree but ... when does Coghlan get a game?

We don't have much LHD depth in the A. Kuzmin is the only LHD on an NHL contract with the Moose. And he isn't ready. Freij is the only other LHD in the system and he is further away.

Just for discussion, lets assume that Heinola is ready sometime soon. Lets also assume that he finally fulfills the high expectations we had for him several years ago. We can platoon him and Fleury to get different styles of play there. Does it then make sense to trade Stan? Or should we stay with 8 Dmen the whole season?

On one hand you could argue that we need that depth on the left side in case there are injuries. OTOH, you can choose to go with just 4 LHD. If 1 is injured, there is no real problem. If a 2nd is injured at the same time we could play a rightie on the left side. Or we could shop around for a replacement level LD as a temporary replacement. There are always some available cheaply.

How far do you go with keeping extras around as injury replacements?