2024-25 Roster Thread #1: The Beginninging

[mja]

Think Richard is getting a cameo b/c of speed and offense, they've gotten faster but I think Briere wants to add more speed up front going forward. But I don't think Richard is good enough to stick.

I think Lycksell is NHL ready, but whose minutes you gonna cut?

Poehling 2:13, Hathaway 2:00, Cates 1:34 on the PK. And it's a top 5 group.
Foerster or Brink? Brink plays on the PP. As does Foerster.

Might have to wait to see if Laughton gets moved near the TDL, that would open up a spot.

I think I've said this to you before, but whenever you type the words "I think" or "I suspect," an angel loses their wings.

 

[deadhead]

I think I've said this to you before, but whenever you type the words "I think" or "I suspect," an angel loses their wings.

Hopefully she's flying too close to the ground and some deserving guy gets lucky.

 

[mja]

Hopefully she's flying too close to the ground and some deserving guy gets lucky.

Nope, they crash straight into a fiery volcano and on their way down they take out the last female of a dying species of bird.

 

[BillDineen]

My assumption with Frost is that they will extend him for 1 year and trade him by next year's deadline. Luchenko will either make it next year or the year after and they will likely get a center in the draft that may be able to play in the near future. Does anyone think differently?

 

[BernieParent]

Drysdale was placed on IR apparently.

Frost was placed on IH8U.

 

[ajgoal]

Nope, they crash straight into a fiery volcano and on their way down they take out the last female of a dying species of bird.

 

[deadhead]

My assumption with Frost is that they will extend him for 1 year and trade him by next year's deadline. Luchenko will either make it next year or the year after and they will likely get a center in the draft that may be able to play in the near future. Does anyone think differently?

I can see him packaged with a draft pick/asset to go after a young center they feel is a better fit.

My player who's a bit of a disappointment for your player who hasn't lived up to expectations kind of deal.

They're almost certain to take at least one center in this draft, probably 2 in the first 2 rounds.
I think center and defense are the two areas where they will stockpile prospects.
They have goalies, and centers can move to wing, but most wings can't move to center.

 

[tymed]

There's a lot of contrast of opinions on Frost, of course, but barring all the nuances, I'm curious as to what people actually want to do with him going forward. Some more basic questions though just for discussion:

Where does he fit for you in this lineup going into a future past this season? 1C? 2C? 3C? LW?

What kind of contract would you be looking to sign with him after this year?

What are some comparables, if off the top of your head, as a player and as a contract?

I'm not really sure what the reasonable scenarios are with his contract going forward here, but I do know that we already have a bunch of shit ones.

 

[Curufinwe]

he’ll be on another team next season

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Rebuild over.

 

[Striiker]

Rebuild over.

This is why it’s actually not bad for Fletcher and Briere to have given out a hundred horrible contracts

 

[deadhead]

Rebuild over.

Doubt it, FA prices will go up with the cap.
But it'll make it easier to move Risto.

 

[WolfOfBroadStreet14]

Doubt it, FA prices will go up with the cap.
But it'll make it easier to move Risto.

And Farabee

 

[usahockey22flyers]

I personally think Frost would be a great 3C on a cup team, can play up the lineup and on the PP. Can be in that 40-60 pt space consistently if given a leash.

If we’re not gonna play him, I wish we’d just trade him

 

[BillDineen]

I used to think the Flyers would never, ever do anything innovative, but playing 3 4Cs at once is definitely something.

Frost will be yo-yoed all season and his trade value will be nothing. They will probably sign him to a 1-yr deal, but Luchenko may make next year even harder.

Frost is the perfect example of the Flyers' poor development.

 

[deadhead]

I don't think Frost is poor development, he improved substantially on defense.
He had the best scoring wings on the team last season and regressed offensively.
His top speed is below NHL average so far this season.

I think he gets dinged easily, and they don't report those injuries - last year he had a slow start, including slow top speed, then improved as the season went along - which suggests he got healthier.

He may simply be one of those guys who only plays well in spurts, when he's close to 100% physically, because his game is predicated on quickness and speed.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I don't think Frost is poor development, he improved substantially on defense.
He had the best scoring wings on the team last season and regressed offensively.
His top speed is below NHL average so far this season.

I think he gets dinged easily, and they don't report those injuries - last year he had a slow start, including slow top speed, then improved as the season went along - which suggests he got healthier.

He may simply be one of those guys who only plays well in spurts, when he's close to 100% physically, because his game is predicated on quickness and speed.

Of course he's poorly developed. They've done everything they can at every stage of his career to hold him back or downright sabotage him. And he's played a bulk of his career for a coach who has no use for (and routinely punishes) his best traits.

It takes a level of religious devotion to Flyers management that makes the Pope look casual to determine Frost's development has been anything but terrible.

 

[VladDrag]

Of course he's poorly developed. They've done everything they can at every stage of his career to hold him back or downright sabotage him. And he's played a bulk of his career for a coach who has no use for (and routinely punishes) his best traits.

It takes a level of religious devotion to Flyers management that makes the Pope look casual to determine Frost's development has been anything but terrible.

One can disagree about how good of a player frost is or can be, or even how much rope he deserves. That’s not a problem to me.

But for anyone to say Frost’s development hasn’t been poor is insane to me. His ice time is routinely given to other skaters, they put him in positions where he’s not going to be effective (net front in powerplay for example), he’s given linemates that cannot capitalize on his skills. Hell, last year at this time he had played less games than he had been scratched for.

This coach clearly doesn’t value his game. If it wasn’t apparent last year it’s certainly my apparent now. Nothing is going to get better for Frost unless Torts is gone or he is with another organization.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Sanheim and Frost, one and the same.

 

[kudymen]

I will never not love the Flyers hard-on on trying to minimize player's faulty attributes instead of maximizing their positive skills. Get him as close to average as possible! Fares amazing.

 

[deadhead]

One can disagree about how good of a player frost is or can be, or even how much rope he deserves. That’s not a problem to me.

But for anyone to say Frost’s development hasn’t been poor is insane to me. His ice time is routinely given to other skaters, they put him in positions where he’s not going to be effective (net front in powerplay for example), he’s given linemates that cannot capitalize on his skills. Hell, last year at this time he had played less games than he had been scratched for.

This coach clearly doesn’t value his game. If it wasn’t apparent last year it’s certainly my apparent now. Nothing is going to get better for Frost unless Torts is gone or he is with another organization.

I think Frost is what he is, and going to another team won't change that.
He's already played 245 NHL games, it's not like he was buried in the AHL like Richard.

He'll have stretches when he's effective, and people will get all excited, then he'll revert back to going MIA for long stretches. He's a 2C on a bad team, 3C on a good team.

This season he's obviously dinged or injured, he's skating worse than I've ever seen him.
Which is why I'd just shut him down for a couple weeks and get him healthy.

What would worry me is how well he's going to age.
He depends on speed and quickness to be effective - if he slows down as dings accumulate, he could fall off the proverbial cliff.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I think Frost is what he is, and going to another team won't change that.
He's already played 245 NHL games, it's not like he was buried in the AHL like Richard.

He'll have stretches when he's effective, and people will get all excited, then he'll revert back to going MIA for long stretches. He's a 2C on a bad team, 3C on a good team.

This season he's obviously dinged or injured, he's skating worse than I've ever seen him.
Which is why I'd just shut him down for a couple weeks and get him healthy.

What would worry me is how well he's going to age.
He depends on speed and quickness to be effective - if he slows down as dings accumulate, he could fall off the proverbial cliff.

And a 5C under the Flyers. Excellent that you're recognizing their woeful evaluation abilities.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

And with the other guys getting healthy, he’ll be seen again at the end of the season.

 

[Hanover Fist]

Risto 600 games can be fixed but Frost at 245 is what he is.

 

[Beef Invictus]

That is because the Flyers ruined him and dozens of others who never went on to produce elsewhere. At some point yo need to hold the player accountable for his dismal play. It isnt all on the FLyers.

For all the Frost fans, Any insight why you think he has never asked for a trade to get out?

When damned near every player is regressing, it's hard to blame a single player.


When management handles and uses a player incorrectly for his whole career, that's also not the players fault.