2024-25 Roster Thread #1: The Beginninging

[deadhead]

One can disagree about how good of a player frost is or can be, or even how much rope he deserves. That’s not a problem to me.

But for anyone to say Frost’s development hasn’t been poor is insane to me. His ice time is routinely given to other skaters, they put him in positions where he’s not going to be effective (net front in powerplay for example), he’s given linemates that cannot capitalize on his skills. Hell, last year at this time he had played less games than he had been scratched for.

This coach clearly doesn’t value his game. If it wasn’t apparent last year it’s certainly my apparent now. Nothing is going to get better for Frost unless Torts is gone or he is with another organization.

I think Frost is what he is, and going to another team won't change that.
He's already played 245 NHL games, it's not like he was buried in the AHL like Richard.

He'll have stretches when he's effective, and people will get all excited, then he'll revert back to going MIA for long stretches. He's a 2C on a bad team, 3C on a good team.

This season he's obviously dinged or injured, he's skating worse than I've ever seen him.
Which is why I'd just shut him down for a couple weeks and get him healthy.

What would worry me is how well he's going to age.
He depends on speed and quickness to be effective - if he slows down as dings accumulate, he could fall off the proverbial cliff.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I think Frost is what he is, and going to another team won't change that.
He's already played 245 NHL games, it's not like he was buried in the AHL like Richard.

He'll have stretches when he's effective, and people will get all excited, then he'll revert back to going MIA for long stretches. He's a 2C on a bad team, 3C on a good team.

This season he's obviously dinged or injured, he's skating worse than I've ever seen him.
Which is why I'd just shut him down for a couple weeks and get him healthy.

What would worry me is how well he's going to age.
He depends on speed and quickness to be effective - if he slows down as dings accumulate, he could fall off the proverbial cliff.

And a 5C under the Flyers. Excellent that you're recognizing their woeful evaluation abilities.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Doubt it, FA prices will go up with the cap.
But it'll make it easier to move Risto.

Yeah teams will be lining up to use the cap increase on Risto.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

I think Frost is what he is, and going to another team won't change that.
He's already played 245 NHL games, it's not like he was buried in the AHL like Richard.

He'll have stretches when he's effective, and people will get all excited, then he'll revert back to going MIA for long stretches. He's a 2C on a bad team, 3C on a good team.

This season he's obviously dinged or injured, he's skating worse than I've ever seen him.
Which is why I'd just shut him down for a couple weeks and get him healthy.

What would worry me is how well he's going to age.
He depends on speed and quickness to be effective - if he slows down as dings accumulate, he could fall off the proverbial cliff.

That is because the Flyers ruined him and dozens of others who never went on to produce elsewhere. At some point yo need to hold the player accountable for his dismal play. It isnt all on the FLyers.

For all the Frost fans, Any insight why you think he has never asked for a trade to get out?

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

And with the other guys getting healthy, he’ll be seen again at the end of the season.

 

[Hanover Fist]

Risto 600 games can be fixed but Frost at 245 is what he is.

 

[Beef Invictus]

That is because the Flyers ruined him and dozens of others who never went on to produce elsewhere. At some point yo need to hold the player accountable for his dismal play. It isnt all on the FLyers.

For all the Frost fans, Any insight why you think he has never asked for a trade to get out?

When damned near every player is regressing, it's hard to blame a single player.


When management handles and uses a player incorrectly for his whole career, that's also not the players fault.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

When damned near every player is regressing, it's hard to blame a single player.


When management handles and uses a player incorrectly for his whole career, that's also not the players fault.

It is a 2-way street. Both can be at fault.

Regressing from what? What players in particular you referring too?

 

[VladDrag]

That is because the Flyers ruined him and dozens of others who never went on to produce elsewhere. At some point yo need to hold the player accountable for his dismal play. It isnt all on the FLyers.

For all the Frost fans, Any insight why you think he has never asked for a trade to get out?

I actually agree with you that it’s primarily on a player to prove that they can provide positive impact while on ice (positive impact is defined differently by each team). To develop a player, it’s pretty simple in my mind. Give them ice time in scenarios that would be most likely to produce positive impacts based off of that players history. They’ve done well with Owen Tippett for example, and they tried with Noah Cates. They’re doing their best to develop Drysdale out right now as well.

They have not prioritized Frost, and there’s really no denying that at this stage. Even still, we have two full seasons worth of data and observations that show he’s a middle of the lineup center. There's really no disputing that. There’s also some indications that given the right line mates, you would see an increase in production and offensive effectiveness, making the team better. **this year has been a different story. He’s not been good. **

I think one of the reasons why Frost is such a hot topic, certainly the case for me, is that it’s a prime example of the team not placing value on skill. It’s not that they’re particularly bad at development, it’s that they’re bad at identifying positive impact.